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[Cricko]

Did Adam Barrett give a second thought when Palace reserves offered him a contract well in excess of what Southend could offer?

I'll reiterate, I don't have an issue with Barrett, I realise he was doing his best in circumstances beyond his control but that he was out of his depth.

How does that differ from Ron?

It was his only chance of getting any wages as he hadn't been paid for so long.

 

[Norfolkshrimp]

Did Adam Barrett give a second thought when Palace reserves offered him a contract well in excess of what Southend could offer?

I'll reiterate, I don't have an issue with Barrett, I realise he was doing his best in circumstances beyond his control but that he was out of his depth.

How does that differ from Ron?

Now you are twisting the point beyond all recognition. My point was that Brush, Tilson and Barrett tried to stand up to him and were shown the door for doing so. You have gone off in a different direction so if you want to discuss your points don't use my original quote.

In any business you have to listen to the key people and take their views on board, if you run it as a dictatorship eventually it will crumble. Why wouldn't you listen to the concerns of vastly experienced football people when they express concerns about the direction the club is taking and the treatment of it's employees ?

 

[Mick]

Ron Martin is the proverbial "man of straw". He has been found out so many times, but people keep coming back for more. Very strange.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Now you are twisting the point beyond all recognition. My point was that Brush, Tilson and Barrett tried to stand up to him and were shown the door for doing so. You have gone off in a different direction so if you want to discuss your points don't use my original quote.

In any business you have to listen to the key people and take their views on board, if you run it as a dictatorship eventually it will crumble. Why wouldn't you listen to the concerns of vastly experienced football people when they express concerns about the direction the club is taking and the treatment of it's employees ?

I expect Ron Martin shared their concerns. Only the conspiracy theorists think that he deliberately manufactured the situation. A far more plausible explanation is that it was less a case of Ron not being willing to pay the players, but Ron not being able to pay the players.

He could have spent all day listening to their concerns but it is of no use if he had no means to act upon it.

 

[Norfolkshrimp]

I expect Ron Martin shared their concerns. Only the conspiracy theorists think that he deliberately manufactured the situation. A far more plausible explanation is that it was less a case of Ron not being willing to pay the players, but Ron not being able to pay the players.

He could have spent all day listening to their concerns but it is of no use if he had no means to act upon it.

I haven't said he manufactured the situation i'm saying he's guilty of getting the club into that position in the first place then blaming everyone else around him except himself. Do you think Tilson wasn't concerned throughout his last 2 seasons at the club ? Do you think Tilson was so naive that he was just demanding money for players all the time ? In these situations it's vital to work together at the top but that didn't happen so the buck stops with RM.

Give these people some credit, Tilson did everything within his power to try and stabilise the playing side of things and had RM been more supportive of the management maybe we could have moved on some of the high earners for a fee and restructured in League 1 instead of treating people like dirt and totally decimating the entire squad in a matter of weeks. What has that achieved ? So now we have lower wages but also have vastly decreased gate receipts and other spin offs like shirt sales, TV money etc.

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

The Court cases could only have been avoided if we paid up. We didn't have any money to pay up.

Wrong. They would of been avoided if Ron tried to work with them rather than push them in a corner stating they were in the wrong. It seems that Ron has picked on someone too big for him to handle and now HMRC have every right to demand their money as they have no trust in the man. Why do you think we are being threatened with winding up orders for "nominal fee's"

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

I expect Ron Martin shared their concerns. Only the conspiracy theorists think that he deliberately manufactured the situation. A far more plausible explanation is that it was less a case of Ron not being willing to pay the players, but Ron not being able to pay the players.

He could have spent all day listening to their concerns but it is of no use if he had no means to act upon it.

Without quoting Ron gave me the impression they did not deserve to be paid. Whether anyone thinks they deserve it not they were under contract and i would like to think that a decent human being would play by the rules.

 

[Beefy]

Wrong. They would of been avoided if Ron tried to work with them rather than push them in a corner stating they were in the wrong. It seems that Ron has picked on someone too big for him to handle and now HMRC have every right to demand their money as they have no trust in the man. Why do you think we are being threatened with winding up orders for "nominal fee's"

Isn't the new agreement between the Football League that HMRC will issue winding up notices as soon as a payment is missed?

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Without quoting Ron gave me the impression they did not deserve to be paid. Whether anyone thinks they deserve it not they were under contract and i would like to think that a decent human being would play by the rules.

It's not an issue of whether they deserved to be paid or not, it's a question of whether the money was there for them to be paid.

It wasn't.

 

[the_goat]

I haven't said he manufactured the situation i'm saying he's guilty of getting the club into that position in the first place then blaming everyone else around him except himself. Do you think Tilson wasn't concerned throughout his last 2 seasons at the club ? Do you think Tilson was so naive that he was just demanding money for players all the time ? In these situations it's vital to work together at the top but that didn't happen so the buck stops with RM.

Give these people some credit, Tilson did everything within his power to try and stabilise the playing side of things and had RM been more supportive of the management maybe we could have moved on some of the high earners for a fee and restructured in League 1 instead of treating people like dirt and totally decimating the entire squad in a matter of weeks. What has that achieved ? So now we have lower wages but also have vastly decreased gate receipts and other spin offs like shirt sales, TV money etc.

Most biased (towards Tilson) post of the week, month, year?

 

[Mick]

Originally Posted by Norfolkshrimp
I haven't said he manufactured the situation i'm saying he's guilty of getting the club into that position in the first place then blaming everyone else around him except himself. Do you think Tilson wasn't concerned throughout his last 2 seasons at the club ? Do you think Tilson was so naive that he was just demanding money for players all the time ? In these situations it's vital to work together at the top but that didn't happen so the buck stops with RM.

Give these people some credit, Tilson did everything within his power to try and stabilise the playing side of things and had RM been more supportive of the management maybe we could have moved on some of the high earners for a fee and restructured in League 1 instead of treating people like dirt and totally decimating the entire squad in a matter of weeks. What has that achieved ? So now we have lower wages but also have vastly decreased gate receipts and other spin offs like shirt sales, TV money etc.

Most biased (towards Tilson) post of the week, month, year?

Definately not. Given some of the extreme views on here, this one is bordering on fair comment.

 

[Norfolkshrimp]

Most biased (towards Tilson) post of the week, month, year?

What a ridiculous post.

Tilson isn't perfect but the man has credibility unlike RM, for a start Tilson doesn't blame everyone else for his mistakes, he's a decent, honest down to earth bloke.

Maybe he should have walked before he was pushed, you know like when Norwich and Brighton wanted to talk to him, I suppose you give the man no credit for not throwing his toys out the pram and staying under extremely difficult circumstances ?

RM kept quoting Tilsons contractual obligations when Norwich wanted to speak to him, the same contract that entitled him to be paid on time and whilst on gardening leave.

Defend that if you can !

 

[Beefy]

I love Tilly to bits but in all the years he was our manager I don't think he ever took responsibility for a single defeat. We were always unlucky or the Referee was at fault.

 

[Norfolkshrimp]

I love Tilly to bits but in all the years he was our manager I don't think he ever took responsibility for a single defeat. We were always unlucky or the Referee was at fault.

Really ?

A 30 sec google and found this, where does he mention luck or the referee ? You may want to retract that statement because it looks a bit silly now imo.

WEAKNESSES in both penalty areas were what contributed towards Southend United’s 1-1 draw with Tranmere Rovers this afternoon - according to Blues boss Steve Tilson.

He was disappointed to see his side again concede from another set piece situation.

And he also felt Blues created enough chances to have won the game.

"It is about what you do in both boxes and that is the difference,” said Tilson.

“Really and truthfully, we should have got three points but this was always going to be a hard game.

"I saw Tranmere win at Gillingham on Tuesday night and they get a lot of bodies behind the ball.

“It meant we didn’t get much space to play but I still felt we had three of four chances to win it.”

And another

Manager Steve Tilson has defended goalkeeper Steve Mildenhall ahead of Saturday's match at Carlisle United.

Certain sections of the Roots Hall crowd have tried to lay the blame for recent results at the new goalkeepers' door.

United have conceded nine goals in their last two matches, mainly due to defensive lapses.

However, Tilson has stood up for his new custodian in an interview with Blues World.

"Mildy has had no chance with the nine goals that we have conceded during the last two games," said Tilson.

"The back four, and the team, have to defend better together as a unit.

 

[Beefy]

So where in there is he accepting responsibility for the result?

People in positions of authority rarely accept responsibility for anything bad. It undermines their position and makes them look weak.

You may want to retract that statement because it looks a bit silly now imo.

 

[Norfolkshrimp]

As manager he is accepting responsibility and giving an honest account of the teams weaknesses. Your post suggests he was always blaming referees and bad luck which is simply untrue.

I've just given you two examples of interviews where he blames neither but you would still argue that black is white.

 

[Beefy]

You haven't given a single example! Find me a quote where he says accepts that he was to blame for a defeat. Find somewhere where he says that he picked the wrong team, or that his tactics were wrong (two things that our current manager has held his hands up to this season). Find something from him saying he should have made a substitution earlier.

Tilly is a Legend amongst us mere mortals, but I'm pretty sure that over six years and two relegations there was one bad result which was down to him.

RM has given plenty of statements outlining that the Club's financial problem was down to having too many players on big, long contracts. By your argument, as chairman he is therefore accepting responsibility and giving an honest account of the Club's problems.

 

[canveyshrimper]

I've an idea you're getting off topic gents.

 

[Norfolkshrimp]

You haven't given a single example! Find me a quote where he says accepts that he was to blame for a defeat. Find somewhere where he says that he picked the wrong team, or that his tactics were wrong (two things that our current manager has held his hands up to this season). Find something from him saying he should have made a substitution earlier.

Tilly is a Legend amongst us mere mortals, but I'm pretty sure that over six years and two relegations there was one bad result which was down to him.

RM has given plenty of statements outlining that the Club's financial problem was down to having too many players on big, long contracts. By your argument, as chairman he is therefore accepting responsibility and giving an honest account of the Club's problems.

Your counter argument is getting more bizarre by the minute.

 

[Norfolkshrimp]

I've an idea you're getting off topic gents.

Not as off topic as the one about the meeting with TB that's now a mixture of moaning and reminiscing about coach journeys LOL