Tilson on Player

[Clinton Baptiste]

Frankly Tilly seems to be the only honest person at the club.

 

[GBJ]

What Tilson says about it being financial reasons, thats something I said from the start. We obviously have a wage budget set by RM, and this season is less then last season hence not much of a fight being put up to keep Clarke. Tilson has probably gone to RM and said I want to bring in 2/3 players, and RM has turned round and said room needs to be cleared on the wage budget, which is fair enough.

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That is probably the case. BUT what i think has ****ed everyone off is the fact that King came out and said it was because Revs was under performing. Then Ron comes out and says it was money. Then Tilly backs that claim. Now straight away we've got 2 versions of events coming from the hierarchy. So one way or another the board either DON'T know what they're doing, OR are just a bunch of liers.

Anyone that believes GK went into that interview and said those things WITHOUT Rons permission is nuts and really needs to wake up a bit.

So based on that little ditty, how can anyone trust Ron?

 

[DTS]

Nothing new.

Sure we would rather have got rid of Walker altough why I dont know as Revell was the worst forward in my book. There was no interest in Walker so we shipped out Revell to hopefully bring in someone better.

If Ron wanted to asset strip or we are that desperate for cash why not sell Macca. Half the people on here slate him all the time and we have a ready made temp replacement in Sawyer.

 

[fbm]

Maybe so. Let me ask you this fbm, if Tilly were to hand his resignation in over the weekend, who would you blame? Tilly? The players? The club?

It seems like many people are split in thier decisions. I think one topic (nearly) everyone can agree on is that it is imperitive that Tilly stays at this club. With the crap he's had to put up with over the last few years, it surely won't be long before he washes his hands of it all.

We have no proof that he thinks he's had to put up with crap. This is the feeling of a few people on here who believe for some reason he's been badly treated.

In my eyes, as he is now the 6th (5th?) longest serving manager in the country and when you consider that we have had a relegation in that time with a long winless run I think the board have stuck by him pretty well.

Time and again the board have made money available for him in the past but over the last year or so money has been tight. Tilly has pulled off some quality loans but his permanent signings that have cost money have generally been poor yet still the board have stood by him.

Tilly works within the very tight parameters set by Ron but that doesn't equate to poor treatment.

I will be very surprised if he goes but of course it's possible. He did have an excellent opportunity to show his displeasure (if that were the case) when Bryan Gunn was sacked but he ruled himself out saying he was very happy here and we had a promising future.

He has told me personally in the past (when in L1) that he likes a tight, close knit squad with no bad apples.

I am relieved he hasn't been swayed into panic buys and genuinely only brings people in if he thinks they'll add something. There's no point in switching like for like.

I certainly don't blame the board for the lack of money - that's circumstances and I actually think they've done a bloody good job given the current economic climate. I don't blame the players either as I think they give 100% at all times.

Therefore IF Tilly were to walk now I'd be very disappointed in him.

But I very much doubt it will happen. After all, he is more secure here than he would be anywhere else.

 

[Beefy]

Nothing new.

Sure we would rather have got rid of Walker altough why I dont know as Revell was the worst forward in my book. There was no interest in Walker so we shipped out Revell to hopefully bring in someone better.

In you book, Dave. In my book (and I think in Tilly's) he was the second best forward at the Club. I don't think we'll be bringing in anyone better and hopefully the money saved from Revell & Betsy going can go on some defenders as that's where we're so desperately lacking.

Tilly looks so depressed with the whole thing. Not specifically having to get rid of someone he'd have rather kept, but with the whole money business which has tied his hands.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

On the Macca point, I found it strange he didnt dwell on it too much - almost seemed embarrassed to me and changed the subject fairly quickly? Dunno...

On the last point, I reckon we might see others leave next week? As long as they are replaced, then I dont see a problem - all this 'squad building' bollocks is pie-in-the-sky for now.

I think (or would hope!) people aren't so stupid and ignorant to realise that we cannot magic money to buy players and things ARE tight. But the board should think seriously about its media output as not all of us are naive and will eat up whatever is put out as 'the truth'.

Its highly unlikely we will make any permanent deals in the near future (i.e. this season!) and who knows how far beyond - fair enough, but call it as it is!

Its a question of can we keep in this division relying on swapping short term loanee's?!

Well, we didn't do too badly last year, doing exactly that! I think your question needs to be slightly extended i.e. 'can we keep in this division relying on swapping short term loanee's, whilst at the same time diminishing the permanent squad of players?
As far as the interview went, it looked as though the events of the last week or so have taken a toll on Tilly..........he didn't seem a very happy bunny. Oh God! ...........we really DO NEED A WIN TOMORROW NIGHT!

 

[Welly7]

Sure we would rather have got rid of Walker altough why I dont know as Revell was the worst forward in my book.

Are you reading from the same book as our chief executive?!?!

 

[GBJ]

In my eyes, as he is now the 6th (5th?) longest serving manager in the country and when you consider that we have had a relegation in that time with a long winless run I think the board have stuck by him pretty well.

He did have an excellent opportunity to show his displeasure (if that were the case) when Bryan Gunn was sacked but he ruled himself out saying he was very happy here and we had a promising future.

I certainly don't blame the board for the lack of money - that's circumstances and I actually think they've done a bloody good job given the current economic climate.

Well there were rumours last season that he had X amount of games to save himself, which luckily happened. That wouldn't have sat well with me if i was Tilly.


Again there were rumours he wanted the Norwich job, and apparently was refused permission to talk to Norwich by Ron (maybe the best thing RM ever did!!)

As for the board doing well with money... well, jury's out on that one for me

 

[A Century United]

Maybe so. Let me ask you this fbm, if Tilly were to hand his resignation in over the weekend, who would you blame? Tilly? The players? The club?

It seems like many people are split in thier decisions. I think one topic (nearly) everyone can agree on is that it is imperitive that Tilly stays at this club. With the crap he's had to put up with over the last few years, it surely won't be long before he washes his hands of it all.

Tosh (in my opinion, of course, to which I am entitled before anyone has a go). The biggest load of crap Tilly has had to deal with, and the worst treatment of him, has come not from within the club but from that select group of supporters who ignore Tilly's requests to cut certain players some slack, and hound, abuse, and lambast members of the team during games.

They are the cretins who cause Tilly the biggest problems and who show him the least respect.

:headbang:

 

[Beefy]

Are you reading from the same book as our chief executive?!?!

Haven't you heard....? They're the same person.

 

[BrettieAngell]

Yeah true, he missed a sitter then got injured!

Yep, he never recovered from that miss in some fans eyes. Oh and not forgetting the henious crime of missing a penalty.

 

[Benji91]

one thing that interested me was about players improving themselves and raising their standards to a championship level, and how he wants them to get whether it is with us or with another team.

Part of me thinks great, get the team motivated and playing their best with the, i guess, assurance that we wouldnt stand in their way if a better offer came along.

Other part wonders if its an admission we wont be challenging this season (not that it would be a surprise to most) and the players are in the shop window...

easy to disect what he says, it just leaves me wondering where we are right now....

 

[Gt Yarmouth Shrimper]

What Tilson says about it being financial reasons, thats something I said from the start. We obviously have a wage budget set by RM, and this season is less then last season hence not much of a fight being put up to keep Clarke. Tilson has probably gone to RM and said I want to bring in 2/3 players, and RM has turned round and said room needs to be cleared on the wage budget, which is fair enough.

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That is probably the case. BUT what i think has ****ed everyone off is the fact that King came out and said it was because Revs was under performing. Then Ron comes out and says it was money. Then Tilly backs that claim. Now straight away we've got 2 versions of events coming from the hierarchy. So one way or another the board either DON'T know what they're doing, OR are just a bunch of liers.

Anyone that believes GK went into that interview and said those things WITHOUT Rons permission is nuts and really needs to wake up a bit.

So based on that little ditty, how can anyone trust Ron?

Have you not considered that it could be both. If Revell was performing and scoring goals then we would not consider loaning him out or getting someone else in to do the job we are paying Revell for. He only has himself to blame for getting shipped out, in my opinion

 

[BILLERICAY BLUE]

Judging by last night, Tilly's not going anywhere.

 

[palexander]

one thing that interested me was about players improving themselves and raising their standards to a championship level, and how he wants them to get whether it is with us or with another team.

Part of me thinks great, get the team motivated and playing their best with the, i guess, assurance that we wouldnt stand in their way if a better offer came along.

Other part wonders if its an admission we wont be challenging this season (not that it would be a surprise to most) and the players are in the shop window...

easy to disect what he says, it just leaves me wondering where we are right now....

I thought that too and thought it sounded a bit weird.

Almost an admission that if we dont go up this year (*snigger!*) then players will be allowed to move on (Macca, Grant, Francis, JFC, Moussa???) in pursuit of bigger and better things.... interesting.

 

[Hooly]

In my eyes, as he is now the 6th (5th?) longest serving manager in the country and when you consider that we have had a relegation in that time with a long winless run I think the board have stuck by him pretty well.

IMO he's the 4th on the list behind Ferguson, Wenger & Moyes. When Coleman took over at Accrington in 1999 they were in the Unibond Div 1 & FFS even one-eyed wiggy could manage at that level!

I think your summary is pretty fair though
- he's stated at 2 POY do's I've been to that a squad of 22 is his ideal & that we'd had too few players in both those seasons & that would be rectified the year after (which it never was) so tight knit is ok, but non-existant is a step too far.
- I believe he's undoubtedly getting the backlash from the Foran fiasco & to a lesser extent Paynter poo. I've heard from a connected club person that RM simply doesn't want to give him money, or let's say like this again, which would be the reason for only having loans "with a view". Obviously the problem there is that if they play well we won't get them as others will offer more.
- because of the above he won't get the chance for a panic buy, though the board stand by him but with their hands on their wallets just in case.
- as long as we can cling in L1 he'll be here as long as he wants under RM. But this will be done without more than a few pence spent.
- I don't think his reputation as a decent manager is yet big enough to put him seriously in a job at a larger club. Most clubs will see him as a 1 club man IMO, because of that consider him a risky appointment elsewhere & despite having 97 badges (though some are from the cubs) he still comes across as tactically limited (to a muppet like me anyway).

We are what we are, but for all RM's good work with the PR over several months it only takes GK a couple of sentences to destroy that, which is a shame.

 

[fbm]

I think your summary is pretty fair though

Hooly agrees with fbm shocker!

;)

 

[McNasty]

We are what we are, but for all RM's good work with the PR over several months it only takes GK a couple of sentences to destroy that, which is a shame.

I did advise GK in the meeting that he should abide by my dear departed Mum's saying "If you have nothing good to say, say nothing" which received a round of applause by those present.

 

[GBJ]

Have you not considered that it could be both. If Revell was performing and scoring goals then we would not consider loaning him out or getting someone else in to do the job we are paying Revell for. He only has himself to blame for getting shipped out, in my opinion

Think you've missed my point. It's not about how Revs was playing, it was the fact that the hierarchy (RM + GK) either didn't know what was going on, hence why there was two different versions, OR someone is lying....

 

[Hooly]

Hooly agrees with fbm shocker!

;)

Yea I'm not feeling well mate! ;)
Don't worry it'll be back to the normal abuse tomorrow after our 8-0 defeat when you reckon we've defended well. :cool: