Tilson Brush & Martin

[Irate Ian]

Frustrations of being a Southend Supporter. It has been this way for more years than I and many others care to remember.

A good friend stated recently, "I want success and I want it now, as some of us are getting to an age where we may never witness it unless it comes soon".

Having had that very brief taste of the Championship, we all want more of it.

Fact: Tilsons achievements are unprecedented in our whole club history.

We need him and the current team of management to deliver us again and back to "the promised land". It is RM's stated intention.

The road to rebuilding a solid enough squad to mount a sustainable challenge is in the foundation stages, as is the stadium.


We as supporters must do our bit, on and off the pitch. Building a team of youngsters is definitely the way to go as they will be our future, with the blend of experience around them, to build steadily toward the goal that we all crave.

They may be boys ATM and learning some harsh lessons, but that will only make them and us hungrier for success.


Patience needed and "Tilson bashers" would do well to remember the lessons in our history under former managers. He, Brush an the other management are IMO the key men to bring us to that promised land - much more so than any single player.

They know more about football and footballers in the squad that any of us and we must consider to respect and support their decisions.

The record speaks for itself and yes they don't maybe get it 100% right, who on earth ever does ?

On balance they are IMO a magnificient partnership and the best we have had but many on SZ don't seem to appreciate it. Why is that ?

 

[Ron Manager]

I think they are victims of their own success. They have raised the expectations so much in such a short space of time by winning successive promotions (including a title victory) and taking us on glorious cup runs that when these things aren't repeated every year some fans feel let down.

These fans have short memories and don't appreciate how it wasn't very long ago we were scrapping out at the wrong end of League Two and a mid table finish in the basement division was the best we could hope for. Tilly and Brush rescued us from those dark, dark days and brought us glory. Given time they will, I'm sure, bring us glory again.

Thankfully I believe that the vast, often silent, majority understand this completely. We will just have to put up with the vocal minority everytime we have a poor result. The memory of those miserable forum posts will just make the good times to come even more sweeter.

 

[Irate Ian]

I think they are victims of their own success. They have raised the expectations so much in such a short space of time by winning successive promotions (including a title victory) and taking us on glorious cup runs that when these things aren't repeated every year some fans feel let down.

These fans have short memories and don't appreciate how it wasn't very long ago we were scrapping out at the wrong end of League Two and a mid table finish in the basement division was the best we could hope for. Tilly and Brush rescued us from those dark, dark days and brought us glory. Given time they will, I'm sure, bring us glory again.

Thankfully I believe that the vast, often silent, majority understand this completely. We will just have to put up with the vocal minority everytime we have a poor result. The memory of those miserable forum posts will just make the good times to come even more sweeter.

Yes very true. The greater the adversity the sweeter the taste of success.


How does the song go ... something like .... We shall overcome some day !

 

[stevie_G_G_G]

Your best ever post Ian and 100% spot on

 

[OldBlueLady]

Yep, great post Ian, but then there's only us rose tinteds around at this time - let's see how long it is before some of the "knives out" brigade make some comment.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Frustrations of being a Southend Supporter. It has been this way for more years than I and many others care to remember.

A good friend stated recently, "I want success and I want it now, as some of us are getting to an age where we may never witness it unless it comes soon"

Having had that very brief taste of the Championship, we all want more of it.

Fact: Tilsons achievements are unprecedented in our whole club history.

We need him and the current team of management to deliver us again and back to "the promised land". It is RM's stated intention.

The road to rebuilding a solid enough squad to mount a sustainable challenge is in the foundation stages, as is the stadium.


We as supporters must do our bit, on and off the pitch. Building a team of youngsters is definitely the way to go as they will be our future, with the blend of experience around them, to build steadily toward the goal that we all crave.

They may be boys ATM and learning some harsh lessons, but that will only make them and us hungrier for success.


Patience needed and "Tilson bashers" would do well to remember the lessons in our history under former managers. He, Brush an the other management are IMO the key men to bring us to that promised land - much more so than any single player.

They know more about football and footballers in the squad that any of us and we must consider to respect and support their decisions.

The record speaks for itself and yes they don't maybe get it 100% right, who on earth ever does ?

On balance they are IMO a magnificient partnership and the best we have had but many on SZ don't seem to appreciate it. Why is that ?

Too bloody right!...........I want success yesterday! It's already difficult to rely on a consistent service from BW. Only God knows what the quality of service is going to be like up (or down) there.........and we won't even talk about the subscription rates.

 

[Benfleet Blue]

Yep, great post Ian, but then there's only us rose tinteds around at this time - let's see how long it is before some of the "knives out" brigade make some comment.

No wonder others bite, a good thread and then a sarcastic comment !

Why not just keep the thread going the way it was. Great post Ian although not 100% sure of the current regime.

Its just a shame others have to include an antagonistic response !!

 

[BILLERICAY BLUE]

Top posts from both II and Libertine, and both 100% spot on.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Frustrations of being a Southend Supporter. It has been this way for more years than I and many others care to remember.

A good friend stated recently, "I want success and I want it now, as some of us are getting to an age where we may never witness it unless it comes soon".

Having had that very brief taste of the Championship, we all want more of it.

Fact: Tilsons achievements are unprecedented in our whole club history.

We need him and the current team of management to deliver us again and back to "the promised land". It is RM's stated intention.

The road to rebuilding a solid enough squad to mount a sustainable challenge is in the foundation stages, as is the stadium.


We as supporters must do our bit, on and off the pitch. Building a team of youngsters is definitely the way to go as they will be our future, with the blend of experience around them, to build steadily toward the goal that we all crave.

They may be boys ATM and learning some harsh lessons, but that will only make them and us hungrier for success.


Patience needed and "Tilson bashers" would do well to remember the lessons in our history under former managers. He, Brush an the other management are IMO the key men to bring us to that promised land - much more so than any single player.

They know more about football and footballers in the squad that any of us and we must consider to respect and support their decisions.

The record speaks for itself and yes they don't maybe get it 100% right, who on earth ever does ?

On balance they are IMO a magnificient partnership and the best we have had but many on SZ don't seem to appreciate it. Why is that ?

I am impressed. Never doubted you were behind Tilly and Brush, but not so sure about Martin. This post pretty well dispels that. Either someone is posting as you or you have realized that Ron maybe has the club at heart and is working for the clubs best interests now and for the future.

Nice work II.

 

[OldBlueLady]

No wonder others bite, a good thread and then a sarcastic comment !

Why not just keep the thread going the way it was. Great post Ian although not 100% sure of the current regime.

Its just a shame others have to include an antagonistic response !!

Sarcastic? I don't think so, comment purely based on the reactions of many on here yesterday and day before.

 

[SARF]

I thought we were having success.. Beating Orient 3 nil, getting a last gasp equaliser against the scum and drawing Chelsea away in the proper cup was usually about 5 years worth of achievment

 

[Rayleigh boy]

spot on post - everyone is building the club up -

 

[Richard_Cadette]

Yep, great post Ian, but then there's only us rose tinteds around at this time - let's see how long it is before some of the "knives out" brigade make some comment.

I have to be honest, I usually agree with most things you say, but Benfleet Blue has a point. It doesn't make you a superior poster on here just because you say positive things about Southend United all the time. People who do not share your point of view are no less worthy in their opinion, and the way you worded your post was relatively inflammatory. IMO there was no real need for it.

A lot of what II said was indeed spot on, but by the same token, you have to respect the fact that some fans, rightly or wrongly, will be unhappy at the moment, and they may well vent their frustrations at the manager, as who else is there?

I think all of us are worried about our current dip in form, our current squad size and quality and the perceived lack of money being spent on the team, so it's not unrealistic to expect Tilly et al to come in for some criticism.

That doesn't mean that people want him out, that doesn't mean he, Brush and Martin are wanted on a plate, it means that fans are doing what fans do at every single football club in the land - and that is getting things off their chest in times of relative adversity. I simply won't accept that anyone is beyond reproach in life, and as has been said a million times, should you receive all the accolades when things are going well, you must accept the coin has both sides.

I don't think anyone in their right mind wants the manager to be changed, I certainly don't, but I could not see anyone being happy with the way the team is playing right now.

If you apply logic to your comment, about people having the knives out, how does that work? Why would people want Tilson and Co to fail? We all want the same thing, and that is success, but by definition, you are saying that people are waiting for him to mess it up so they can have their moment of glory? I don't buy that personally, if you want the club to be unsuccessful, why would you support it? Why would you go and pay good money to watch them?

Bottom line is we all want the same thing, and that is for our club to be successful. Some fans have higher expectations than others, but I don't see anything wrong with that - ambition is good. Some people have less patience than others, again, as frustrating as that can be for others at times, all it means is they want this club to be successful.

Tilly and Co have raised the bar in terms of crowd expectations, but that comes with the territory I'm afraid. I would expect that they would rather have to deal with that than a fan base still happy wataching mid to lower League Two football each week.

 

[OldBlueLady]

I have to be honest, I usually agree with most things you say, but Benfleet Blue has a point. It doesn't make you a superior poster on here just because you say positive things about Southend United all the time. People who do not share your point of view are no less worthy in their opinion, and the way you worded your post was relatively inflammatory. IMO there was no real need for it.

A lot of what II said was indeed spot on, but by the same token, you have to respect the fact that some fans, rightly or wrongly, will be unhappy at the moment, and they may well vent their frustrations at the manager, as who else is there?

I think all of us are worried about our current dip in form, our current squad size and quality and the perceived lack of money being spent on the team, so it's not unrealistic to expect Tilly et al to come in for some criticism.

That doesn't mean that people want him out, that doesn't mean he, Brush and Martin are wanted on a plate, it means that fans are doing what fans do at every single football club in the land - and that is getting things off their chest in times of relative adversity. I simply won't accept that anyone is beyond reproach in life, and as has been said a million times, should you receive all the accolades when things are going well, you must accept the coin has both sides.

I don't think anyone in their right mind wants the manager to be changed, I certainly don't, but I could not see anyone being happy with the way the team is playing right now.

If you apply logic to your comment, about people having the knives out, how does that work? Why would people want Tilson and Co to fail? We all want the same thing, and that is success, but by definition, you are saying that people are waiting for him to mess it up so they can have their moment of glory? I don't buy that personally, if you want the club to be unsuccessful, why would you support it? Why would you go and pay good money to watch them?

Bottom line is we all want the same thing, and that is for our club to be successful. Some fans have higher expectations than others, but I don't see anything wrong with that - ambition is good. Some people have less patience than others, again, as frustrating as that can be for others at times, all it means is they want this club to be successful.

Tilly and Co have raised the bar in terms of crowd expectations, but that comes with the territory I'm afraid. I would expect that they would rather have to deal with that than a fan base still happy wataching mid to lower League Two football each week.

Where have I suggested I'm a superior poster? I'm sorry, but I just don't see where you're going here and believe you're probably over analysing my comments.

I refer you to parts of Benfleet Blue's comments yesterday on another thread

Our management team will NEVER have the war chest offered by RM, it simply wont happen, and without a Freddie to save them, look clueless.

God knows what the half time talk contains, simply look at the stats for goals conceded within 5 minutes of the restart, and the discipline is there for all to see. As they come out after half time they are warmed up by the new fitness coach. Great, simply great, but there were only about 7 taking part and Clarke is always the last to emerge.

The constant and excessive players on loan are now costing us dearly, and all because of a non footballing chairman who promises but doesnt deliver.

I never want the team to overstretch itself financially, but why make promises that you know you are never going to keep. The first 'War Chest' was supposed to be in the January of our Championship year if outline planning approval was granted, and that never materialised. Surprise surprise.

We have a coaching staff that sends players backwards, and I've lost count the number of useful players we've signed but then seem to ruin, and in addition to that they fail to spot talent when it stares them in the face ala Kightly and Hooper. And before anyone states that they didn't produce when they were at SUFC, the question surely in answer is simply 'Why not' ?????

As a footballing team we are going backwards. Fact. When we're behind we're clueless and when we're in front we're clueless and can't kill teams off.

I'm afraid we have come as far as we can under the current regime and have now started slowly but surely going backwards.

And before the doubters start saying 15 unbeaten, that was with the reliance on loan players. Our true side is starting to emerge and look at just how good that seems.

Time for changes big style unless we want to sink back to playing the likes of Macclesfield and Rochdale.

This seemed to me incredibly negative and I said so. He's the one who seems to have a problem with me disagreeing not the other way round, I have no problem with others disagreeing - as I've said before - I'm more than used to it on here now. But then he's come over with all sorts of comments about sarcasm being the lowest form of wit which would seem to be aimed at me, then made a sarky comment himself. I don't understand him or his attitude and I'm not prepared to try and make the effort to if he intends to take that sort of attitude to me.

 

[Richard_Cadette]

Where have I suggested I'm a superior poster? I'm sorry, but I just don't see where you're going here and believe you're probably over analysing my comments.

I refer you to parts of Benfleet Blue's comments yesterday on another thread

This seemed to me incredibly negative and I said so. He's the one who seems to have a problem with me disagreeing not the other way round, I have no problem with others disagreeing - as I've said before - I'm more than used to it on here now. But then he's come over with all sorts of comments about sarcasm being the lowest form of wit which would seem to be aimed at me, then made a sarky comment himself. I don't understand him or his attitude and I'm not prepared to try and make the effort to if he intends to take that sort of attitude to me.

My point was referring to the knives out comment. In fairness to me, I said that by implication, your comment was suggesting that others that disagreed, or has the knives out as you put it, were of a lesser importance.

As I took the trouble to explain, assuming you back up your comments with reasoned debate, then everyones opinion on here is equal - believe me, you definitely get the impression of being an outsider if your view does not conform to the masses.

If I am wrong, then I apologise, but it was just my opinion that after such an uplifting post by II, it didn't require a swipe at people who are not of the same mindset.

 

[OldBlueLady]

It wasn't a swipe at all, just a reasonable comment - in my opinion - that generally those of us around in the early hours tend to be the more optimistic ones with those tending to be the other way appearing later on. If I've seemed down on Benfleet Blue then that's probably true but he really riled me with his response to my objecting to his negativity.

If I have something that requires backing up, then I will generally do so, but I felt it had been clear to all in the last couple of days the huge range in opinions and that it didn't require anything further.

 

[shrimpadmin]

Now all parties have had their say, let's get back on topic.

 

[Ozzer]

Frustrations of being a Southend Supporter. It has been this way for more years than I and many others care to remember.

A good friend stated recently, "I want success and I want it now, as some of us are getting to an age where we may never witness it unless it comes soon".

Having had that very brief taste of the Championship, we all want more of it.

Fact: Tilsons achievements are unprecedented in our whole club history.

We need him and the current team of management to deliver us again and back to "the promised land". It is RM's stated intention.

The road to rebuilding a solid enough squad to mount a sustainable challenge is in the foundation stages, as is the stadium.


We as supporters must do our bit, on and off the pitch. Building a team of youngsters is definitely the way to go as they will be our future, with the blend of experience around them, to build steadily toward the goal that we all crave.

They may be boys ATM and learning some harsh lessons, but that will only make them and us hungrier for success.


Patience needed and "Tilson bashers" would do well to remember the lessons in our history under former managers. He, Brush an the other management are IMO the key men to bring us to that promised land - much more so than any single player.

They know more about football and footballers in the squad that any of us and we must consider to respect and support their decisions.

The record speaks for itself and yes they don't maybe get it 100% right, who on earth ever does ?

On balance they are IMO a magnificient partnership and the best we have had but many on SZ don't seem to appreciate it. Why is that ?

We as supporters must do our bit, on and off the pitch. Building a team of youngsters is definitely the way to go as they will be our future, with the blend of experience around them, to build steadily toward the goal that we all crave.

They may be boys ATM and learning some harsh lessons, but that will only make them and us hungrier for success.

Well said II. The Shrimpers Trust provides £,000s to the club's youth team programme for this purpose. Hopefully supporters will join the Trust (if they haven't already) and most of all, support their various fundraising events.

 

[Gt Yarmouth Shrimper]

Top post by II. Having seen so much dross served up both on and off the pitch down the years, it is my opinion that RM,ST and PB are the best partnership this club has ever had and thy are victims of their own success. Long may they be in control of our Football club

 

[Farmer Fossett]

Frustrations of being a Southend Supporter. It has been this way for more years than I and many others care to remember.

A good friend stated recently, "I want success and I want it now, as some of us are getting to an age where we may never witness it unless it comes soon".

Having had that very brief taste of the Championship, we all want more of it.

Fact: Tilsons achievements are unprecedented in our whole club history.

We need him and the current team of management to deliver us again and back to "the promised land". It is RM's stated intention.

The road to rebuilding a solid enough squad to mount a sustainable challenge is in the foundation stages, as is the stadium.


We as supporters must do our bit, on and off the pitch. Building a team of youngsters is definitely the way to go as they will be our future, with the blend of experience around them, to build steadily toward the goal that we all crave.

They may be boys ATM and learning some harsh lessons, but that will only make them and us hungrier for success.


Patience needed and "Tilson bashers" would do well to remember the lessons in our history under former managers. He, Brush an the other management are IMO the key men to bring us to that promised land - much more so than any single player.

They know more about football and footballers in the squad that any of us and we must consider to respect and support their decisions.

The record speaks for itself and yes they don't maybe get it 100% right, who on earth ever does ?

On balance they are IMO a magnificient partnership and the best we have had but many on SZ don't seem to appreciate it. Why is that ?

Ian - good post your views have been are well thought out and eloquently stated, however disagree with most of what you have said!!!

I do not believe that by bringing in so many loan players with little hope of signing the majority we are building a solid squad. If we had used the likes of Moussa, Herd, Masters, Lokando and Scannell and youth players your argument would carry more weight.

The truth is that Tilson's recent signings have made the squad far worse than last season and probably only fractionaly better than the squad that he inhereted. We have certainly gone backwards over the past couple of years - fact.

Tilson has been excellent for us and will go down as being our best Manager, however IMO he has gone stale at the club. There are very few Managers who remain at a club in excess of 5 years and Tilson should be commended for his achiements however for the club to go forward and progress we need change.

Watford were in a similar position to us, with Boothroyd over achieving in recent years. The club realised that things were not progressing and he rightly or wrongly was sacked. Only time will tell if Watford have made the right decision however for what it is worth I believe they may have as they have started to climb the table!

OK we went through a stage in the 90's early 00's where we had numerous Managers who were a disaster. If however the club is not progressing we need change and fresh ideas that only a change in Managerial staff can bring. Are you suggesting that we should stick with Tilson regardless of results or obvious improvements?