Tilson Blames Luck

[mattytheshrimper]

But if it went in, the goal would've stood. When the ball came off the post it came to a player who was originally in an offside position. Unless Laurent or someone else during the build up to the shot was offside?
We definitely deserved a point though.

was in south upper and can confirm the flag went up before laurent actually shot. don't who was offside but this was deffinately the case.

 

[sufcalways]

was in south upper and can confirm the flag went up before laurent actually shot. don't who was offside but this was deffinately the case.

Oh right, my view was south too, didnt notice the flag though :)
Thanks for the correction!

 

[Richard_Cadette]

think using luck is a very poor excuse. end of the day our defending was that of a conference team and i think most of the teams in the league would have beat us yesterday. performances seem to be getting worse rather than better. glad to see barny and dougie back, hopefully this is a sign of better things.

I don't think our defence was the issue yesterday to be honest.

The thing about luck is you make your own. As someone famouse once said, the more I practice, the more luckier I get. It's simple really, if you're playing well, and dominating games, you will win more than you lose. If you're not playing well, it can be no surprise when the result goes against you.

Was yesterday down to luck? Absolutely not. Huddersfield were simply more organised, more structured and more hungry for 3 points than we were. Men against boys is perhaps a rather apt decription of the game.

Our confidence is shot right now, and that's because of 2 reasons. We have a very weak midfield and that is the main thread of the team, and secondly, we have a lot of young, and more importantly, inexperienced players, and defeats will hang heavy with them. Add that to an ever changing line up and you have the perfect recipe for negative results.

 

[Benfleet Blue]

I don't think our defence was the issue yesterday to be honest.

The thing about luck is you make your own. As someone famouse once said, the more I practice, the more luckier I get. It's simple really, if you're playing well, and dominating games, you will win more than you lose. If you're not playing well, it can be no surprise when the result goes against you.

Was yesterday down to luck? Absolutely not. Huddersfield were simply more organised, more structured and more hungry for 3 points than we were. Men against boys is perhaps a rather apt decription of the game.

Our confidence is shot right now, and that's because of 2 reasons. We have a very weak midfield and that is the main thread of the team, and secondly, we have a lot of young, and more importantly, inexperienced players, and defeats will hang heavy with them. Add that to an ever changing line up and you have the perfect recipe for negative results.

Totally agree with everything said. I listened to ST in the post match interview and he said 'we dominated the game after they scored'.

I think I'd like to change my seat to the dug out if thats the view he gets because from where I sat we were simply outplayed by a better, more organised, 'managerless' side. We simply spent the time chasing shadows.

For all I listen to the plaudits saying Francis worked hard and Clarke was better than Barrett, I simply cannot understand the views.

We have Simon' can I be bothered today' Francis who made 1 decent cross all match, which simply doesnt qualify as a decent game, and Peter 'calamity' Clarke whose team concedes goals wherever he goes sitting on the same side of the defence and all pressure against us seems to come from this side, The Huddersfield goal did too.

We have Macca who has simply not delivered since his return, and I know not why, and Milsum, a poor mans Mitchell Cole, sitting in line with the back 4 and rarely getting forward which causes teams to come at us and us to defend far too deep.

Stanislas is a bright spark but we cannot rely on just him to produce chances.

Our management team will NEVER have the war chest offered by RM, it simply wont happen, and without a Freddie to save them, look clueless.

God knows what the half time talk contains, simply look at the stats for goals conceded within 5 minutes of the restart, and the discipline is there for all to see. As they come out after half time they are warmed up by the new fitness coach. Great, simply great, but there were only about 7 taking part and Clarke is always the last to emerge.

The constant and excessive players on loan are now costing us dearly, and all because of a non footballing chairman who promises but doesnt deliver.

I never want the team to overstretch itself financially, but why make promises that you know you are never going to keep. The first 'War Chest' was supposed to be in the January of our Championship year if outline planning approval was granted, and that never materialised. Surprise surprise.

We have a coaching staff that sends players backwards, and I've lost count the number of useful players we've signed but then seem to ruin, and in addition to that they fail to spot talent when it stares them in the face ala Kightly and Hooper. And before anyone states that they didn't produce when they were at SUFC, the question surely in answer is simply 'Why not' ?????

Why and how can other managers such as Peter Taylor and Atkins get so much more out of their players.

As a footballing team we are going backwards. Fact. When we're behind we're clueless and when we're in front we're clueless and can't kill teams off.
To see Macca telling ST what we should do on Saturday just about sums the current plight up.

I'm afraid we have come as far as we can under the current regime and have now started slowly but surely going backwards.

And before the doubters start saying 15 unbeaten, that was with the reliance on loan players. Our true side is starting to emerge and look at just how good that seems.

Time for changes big style unless we want to sink back to playing the likes of Macclesfield and Rochdale.

 

[OldBlueLady]

I can't believe the negativity, "as far as we can under the current regime", please tell me you're a manic depressive or something because that's just complete rubbish. I know I'm one of the rose tinted ones but, honestly, let's get a grip and see what happens in the New Year.

 

[Benfleet Blue]

I can't believe the negativity, "as far as we can under the current regime", please tell me you're a manic depressive or something because that's just complete rubbish. I know I'm one of the rose tinted ones but, honestly, let's get a grip and see what happens in the New Year.

Not negativity, more a reality check. And yes being the bearer of rose tinted specs some just cannot understand or accept criticism of the Chairman and Manager.

I look at some of your posts and accept your opinion but dont band each post rubbish even though I believe they may be. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and having been a supporter for a number of years I too am entitled to an opinion just as the next person.

Saturdays performance was absolute dross against a mid table side who made us look Division 2 fodder. We chased shadows for most of the match.

What is rubbish is ST coming on the radio after and stating that we dominated the game after they scored. He must have been wearing your specs !!!

 

[OldBlueLady]

It's not your post I branded as rubbish, just that one quoted comment. High horse - get off of!

 

[Reg Martin]

Nothing changes there then, it was quite obvious we lack any kind of player that has that extra somthing better.

in the past we have had players with that somthing which makes them better then the average. Gower, Freddy, Bailey, Flahaven.

Now we have Betsy, Walker, Grant and Midenhall as just a few. If you look at the team we have now, there all just average players with no real special quality.

its about time tilly stops with the luck post match press conferances, and admits the players we have bought in and the squad we now have is destinctivly average!.

your first post since July
interesting timing

 

[Benfleet Blue]

It's not your post I branded as rubbish, just that one quoted comment. High horse - get off of!

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit or so they say.

So sorry that others have opinions which clearly do not meet with your own.

So you think we're playing well ? You obviously see RM and ST through those rose tinted specs since aside from achieving the play offs and getting totally outplayed by a far better team, what have we achieved since Freddie left.

We have a back four with absolutely no competition for places. a midfield with 2 loanees, one of whom is no better than what we let go, Alan McCormack who is a shadow of his former self and purportedly has had a falling out with ST, and 2 quality forwards whom we dont seem to be able to keep fit.

I've listened to Rm's promises of war chests, I've heard them first hand, so yes lets see what materialises in January.

I would hesitate a guess at more loanees.

 

[Rob1920]

I wasn't at the game, but after hearing on BBC Essex that we couldn't get the ball in the first half, & also all the negativity about our performance on here, I was very surprised to see on the OS match report that the possession figures were 60% / 40% in our favour, as were the shots on/off target etc. That doesn't paint a picture of a team that couldn't get the ball & were useless when they did have it.

Did it seem like we had much possession to those of you who were there? Or is it a typo & should be the other way around! (It says the same on the Huddersfield OS by the way)

 

[OldBlueLady]

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit or so they say.

So sorry that others have opinions which clearly do not meet with your own.

So you think we're playing well ? You obviously see RM and ST through those rose tinted specs since aside from achieving the play offs and getting totally outplayed by a far better team, what have we achieved since Freddie left.

We have a back four with absolutely no competition for places. a midfield with 2 loanees, one of whom is no better than what we let go, Alan McCormack who is a shadow of his former self and purportedly has had a falling out with ST, and 2 quality forwards whom we dont seem to be able to keep fit.

I've listened to Rm's promises of war chests, I've heard them first hand, so yes lets see what materialises in January.

I would hesitate a guess at more loanees.

Get over yourself!

I'm just a bit more optimistic about things and content to leave the guys at the top to run things in the way that they see fit for now, and which has served us well over the last few seasons - if I think a player's performance is being unfairly, in my opinion, criticised then I'll say so. I just think you are being overly harsh in saying those at the top have taken us as far as they can - anyone would think we were sitting at the bottom of the table!

 

[Kris]

Get over yourself!

I'm just a bit more optimistic about things and content to leave the guys at the top to run things in the way that they see fit for now, and which has served us well over the last few seasons - if I think a player's performance is being unfairly, in my opinion, criticised then I'll say so. I just think you are being overly harsh in saying those at the top have taken us as far as they can - anyone would think we were sitting at the bottom of the table!

Agreed. For what it's worth, I thought Benfleet Blue's original post was well written and he made some interesting points but, while I don't want to single him out (he's far from the only one), I can't stand the division on here with certain people being mocked for having "rose-tinted glasses" (rapidly becoming the most irritating phrase on the board).

The reason some of us remain upbeat is because we've been hugely spoilt in the last five years. Now, I don't want to suggest that Tilly is immune from criticism because he isn't - and there are certain areas in which he could improve, notably substitutions and tactical changes - but if you think back to this time last year, several people were calling for his head as we drifted into mid-table but we ended up finishing sixth. I very much doubt we'll replicate that but at the same time I don't think it's the end of the world if we fail to challenge for the play-offs this time around. As nice as it would be to reach the Championship again, you only have to look at some of the big clubs with much bigger resources than us struggling at the foot of the division to realise that it would be a monumental task to stay there - at least until we move to Fossetts Farm.

This is a team in transition after losing two players in Gower and Bailey, who were far too good for this level, and it was always going to be very tough replacing them.

Ultimately, our current form is worrying but Tilly deserves our continuing support for the simple reason that he's proved himself time and time again to dig us out of a whole when necessary and make the right changes. Using another example, many Orient fans wanted Martin Ling out a couple of months ago, despite what he's achieved for them, and they subsequently went seven unbeaten until Saturday (which, yes, was a shocking result).

Also, I don't think it's been mentioned yet that in the Echo, Tilly admitted that Huddersfield "taught us a lesson" in the first half, so he clearly isn't blind to our problems. I was away this weekend but it sounds like we improved in the second half and created enough decent chances to get a point so whatever he said at half time must have had some effect.

 

[Irate Ian]

Agreed. For what it's worth, I thought Benfleet Blue's original post was well written and he made some interesting points but, while I don't want to single him out (he's far from the only one), I can't stand the division on here with certain people being mocked for having "rose-tinted glasses" (rapidly becoming the most irritating phrase on the board).

The reason some of us remain upbeat is because we've been hugely spoilt in the last five years. Now, I don't want to suggest that Tilly is immune from criticism because he isn't - and there are certain areas in which he could improve, notably substitutions and tactical changes - but if you think back to this time last year, several people were calling for his head as we drifted into mid-table but we ended up finishing sixth. I very much doubt we'll replicate that but at the same time I don't think it's the end of the world if we fail to challenge for the play-offs this time around. As nice as it would be to reach the Championship again, you only have to look at some of the big clubs with much bigger resources than us struggling at the foot of the division to realise that it would be a monumental task to stay there - at least until we move to Fossetts Farm.

This is a team in transition after losing two players in Gower and Bailey, who were far too good for this level, and it was always going to be very tough replacing them.

Ultimately, our current form is worrying but Tilly deserves our continuing support for the simple reason that he's proved himself time and time again to dig us out of a whole when necessary and make the right changes. Using another example, many Orient fans wanted Martin Ling out a couple of months ago, despite what he's achieved for them, and they subsequently went seven unbeaten until Saturday (which, yes, was a shocking result).

Also, I don't think it's been mentioned yet that in the Echo, Tilly admitted that Huddersfield "taught us a lesson" in the first half, so he clearly isn't blind to our problems. I was away this weekend but it sounds like we improved in the second half and created enough decent chances to get a point so whatever he said at half time must have had some effect.

Tilson & Brush are a legendary partnership. We will only appreciate that if they ever leave or are head hunted by a higher league club.

They have faults... are human ... but above all demand loyalty and discipline and give same in return.

They are "players, managers" and know more about football and what makes footballers tick, than any of us.

 

[OldBlueLady]

I'd say we were in more of a transition phase than even you mentioned there Kris, when you think of all that we have actually lost in the last 18 months. Most were reasonably happy for last season to be one of re-building and consolidation instead of which we actually made the play offs - I completely fail to see why people are being so impatient after losing better quality players during the last summer period.

 

[Benfleet Blue]

Get over yourself!

I'm just a bit more optimistic about things and content to leave the guys at the top to run things in the way that they see fit for now, and which has served us well over the last few seasons - if I think a player's performance is being unfairly, in my opinion, criticised then I'll say so. I just think you are being overly harsh in saying those at the top have taken us as far as they can - anyone would think we were sitting at the bottom of the table!

Bet you said the same when Alvin Martin, Steve Wignall and Rob Newman were in charge.

If managers can't accept criticism they shouldn't be in the job. Simple as.

And very sorry, look at the table and take those glasses off. We're actually nearer the bottom now, we've lost the best of the loan players, and now in the habit of losing for fun.

As for the 'get over yourself' probably expect no less. Sorry, once again, for having an opinion.

 

[OldBlueLady]

I am not even going to bother responding as you seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder about any comments I make at the moment.

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

if someone says rose tinted glasses again I'm going to go beserk. That and muppet are the most irritating phrase on this board. "End of" is another.
A manager cuts his coat according to his cloth. They're actually doing a remarkable job in the circumstances. That some fans fail to appreciate this should surprise no one and certainly not Tilly and brush. They probably come on to the board occasionally to confrim their suspicions that some fands know absolutely FA about football and to have a good laugh at their naivity.
End of :)

 

[Southend_Lady]

I think the points about us going through a transition period are spot on. We have lost a large bulk of our squad in the last couple years. It always take time to replace players like that. I think this season is a write off now and personally I think the only thing we have to look forward to is the FA Cup game at Chelsea. It doesn't bother me that we won't do anything amazing in the league this year as I think a lot of us have come to expect too much after the last 4 or 5 years.

We need to re-build in January and over the summer ready for a more realistic push next year.

 

[OldBlueLady]

That's the key as well Sam, the pre-season, when the team can build and develop together - something that didn't happen at all this year and wasn't much better the year before.

 

[Kris]

Bet you said the same when Alvin Martin, Steve Wignall and Rob Newman were in charge.

Behave yourself! I can't speak for OBL but as someone who, like her, remains generally upbeat at the moment, I can assure you that this certainly wasn't the case when the above three were in charge.

I was one of the 2,700 who witnessed the utterly dire 2-0 defeat at home to Boston under Wignall and I actually shed tears on the way back into London because I was convinced we were heading for the Conference. Had someone told me at that moment what we would achieve in the subsequent five years I would have campaigned to have them sectioned under the mental health act.

Look, you are perfectly entitled to your opinions and, like I said before, I thought your original post was well written with interesting points. However, when you express strong views, you have to expect people to challenge them. The mere fact that you mentioned Alvin, Newman and Wignall makes me even more puzzled that you have such a doom-and-gloom outlook at the moment. Sure, we're not in good form but Tilly is light years ahead of the aforementioned three and will turn things around, even if, as Southend Lady points out, our realistic aim is to rebuild for next season.