The Last Word A Few Facts

[Xàbia Shrimper]

And?

Where does it say I gave up?

Get back to your dessert.

 

[Sussex Shrimper]

Then I am not human. Where am I responsible for what they have contracted and why must it be at the expense of this countries tax payers to pay for treatment when many other countries stand before us. Scream racist if you must but why the UK when the whole of Europe is nearer than us.

It's not about race, it's about humanity. It saddens me deeply that so many people's first reaction when discussing the need to treat somebody with HIV is to pass judgement on whether or not the pennies they earn per day, just because they were unlucky enough to be born in a part of the world routinely sh*t on by the developed nations, are enough to pay the tarifs for such treatment dictated by obscenely wealthy Western drug companies. It's the ultimate postcode lottery, and the scum in charge of these companies are more bothered about protecting their "intellectual property rights" than in ensuring that those who need help have access to it.

The millions who die are just a statistic, as are those dying of famine as a result of the current World Trade situation, and the whole "not my problem" argument used by those lucky enough, just because of where they were born, not to have to worry about such things afflicting them makes me sick. If that view makes me some kind of left wing extremist in some people's eyes, then quite honestly I wouldn't want to be normal by their standards.

As for whose "fault" it is that people contract HIV in Africa, that's a huge separate issue beyond the scope of this discussion. All I'll say here is that I think that your view is hugely simplistic given the gulf in educational standards on the subject between the developed and undeveloped worlds - it's akin to saying that those afflicted with lung cancer who smoked before the health risks were widely publicised should be denied treatment on the NHS.

We've already established that those in approval of the BNP aren't going to answer that tricky question of where they stand on the issue of players like Powell, Collymore and JCR playing for Southend, so let me ask another: do you lot consider yourselves to be better, and more deserving human beings than those who struggle to make a living in the less developed world? If so, why exactly?

 

[DTS]

It's not about race, it's about humanity. It saddens me deeply that so many people's first reaction when discussing the need to treat somebody with HIV is to pass judgement on whether or not the pennies they earn per day, just because they were unlucky enough to be born in a part of the world routinely sh*t on by the developed nations, are enough to pay the tarifs for such treatment dictated by obscenely wealthy Western drug companies. It's the ultimate postcode lottery, and the scum in charge of these companies are more bothered about protecting their "intellectual property rights" than in ensuring that those who need help have access to it.

The millions who die are just a statistic, as are those dying of famine as a result of the current World Trade situation, and the whole "not my problem" argument used by those lucky enough, just because of where they were born, not to have to worry about such things afflicting them makes me sick. If that view makes me some kind of left wing extremist in some people's eyes, then quite honestly I wouldn't want to be normal by their standards.

As for whose "fault" it is that people contract HIV in Africa, that's a huge separate issue beyond the scope of this discussion. All I'll say here is that I think that your view is hugely simplistic given the gulf in educational standards on the subject between the developed and undeveloped worlds - it's akin to saying that those afflicted with lung cancer who smoked before the health risks were widely publicised should be denied treatment on the NHS.

We've already established that those in approval of the BNP aren't going to answer that tricky question of where they stand on the issue of players like Powell, Collymore and JCR playing for Southend, so let me ask another: do you lot consider yourselves to be better, and more deserving human beings than those who struggle to make a living in the less developed world? If so, why exactly?

I think your sentiments are admirable and I dont think many would argue with what you are saying.

I think there personally for me comes a cut off point. After all what can we do about all the worlds wrongs. Problems with Aids in Africa, Poverty in Asia, Crime in Eastern Europe you name it - Sooner ot later I personally think you have to accept that whilst we as a nation are lucky we cannot put the worlds wrongs right.

I have no worries helping other nations once we are up straight but when I see people cant get cancer treatment as they live in the wrong post code or when I get back to Brighton tonight and step over homeless person after another then my desire to give money to West Africa etc rather waines.

Sorry if that sounds harsh. :fury:

 

[Cricko2]

It's not about race, it's about humanity. It saddens me deeply that so many people's first reaction when discussing the need to treat somebody with HIV is to pass judgement on whether or not the pennies they earn per day, just because they were unlucky enough to be born in a part of the world routinely sh*t on by the developed nations, are enough to pay the tarifs for such treatment dictated by obscenely wealthy Western drug companies. It's the ultimate postcode lottery, and the scum in charge of these companies are more bothered about protecting their "intellectual property rights" than in ensuring that those who need help have access to it.

The millions who die are just a statistic, as are those dying of famine as a result of the current World Trade situation, and the whole "not my problem" argument used by those lucky enough, just because of where they were born, not to have to worry about such things afflicting them makes me sick. If that view makes me some kind of left wing extremist in some people's eyes, then quite honestly I wouldn't want to be normal by their standards.

As for whose "fault" it is that people contract HIV in Africa, that's a huge separate issue beyond the scope of this discussion. All I'll say here is that I think that your view is hugely simplistic given the gulf in educational standards on the subject between the developed and undeveloped worlds - it's akin to saying that those afflicted with lung cancer who smoked before the health risks were widely publicised should be denied treatment on the NHS.

We've already established that those in approval of the BNP aren't going to answer that tricky question of where they stand on the issue of players like Powell, Collymore and JCR playing for Southend, so let me ask another: do you lot consider yourselves to be better, and more deserving human beings than those who struggle to make a living in the less developed world? If so, why exactly?

Wow I avoided this debate for obvious reasons..... But I think you read my mind, Great response.

 

[Cricko2]

I have no worries helping other nations once we are up straight but when I see people cant get cancer treatment as they live in the wrong post code or when I get back to Brighton tonight and step over homeless person after another then my desire to give money to West Africa etc rather waines.


Fair point Dave I do also believe " charity " should begin at home. Its ridiculous when you can come from abroad and top the housing list. I have no Quarms against anybody coming here ...Enough of us have moved to Spain, Australia etc. The whole greed of the West seems to effect the suffering. We are all one at the end of the day wherever we are born. Maybe it would be better to think that ....than have differences.

 

[Cricko2]

See I knew I didnt want to get into this debate grrrr:mad:

 

[The Flying Scotsman]

We are all one at the end of the day wherever we are born. Maybe it would be better to think that ....than have differences.

All we are saying, is give peace a chance.

 

[Cricko2]

All we are saying, is give peace a chance.

Ha ....No wonder we are in this state with that attitude. Phillistine:)

 

[MK Shrimper]

Seems like TMLWT has dropped hand grenade in and run for cover - I'm still curious (as whas someone else, I forget who sorry) how you can reconcile praising a extreme political party who advocates "repatriation" for non-whites, who's would-be councillors are admirers of Hitler with supporting a football team who's has black players, who's star is a romany gypsy and who's past heroes include Sir Stanley who's of mixed race.

 

[The Flying Scotsman]

Seems like TMLWT has dropped hand grenade in and run for cover - I'm still curious (as whas someone else, I forget who sorry) how you can reconcile praising a extreme political party who advocates "repatriation" for non-whites, who's would-be councillors are admirers of Hitler with supporting a football team who's has black players, who's star is a romany gypsy and who's past heroes include Sir Stanley who's of mixed race.

I imagine its because they feel Southend United players aren't the one running the country into the ground - and that footballers are nothing to do with politics.

 

[MK Shrimper]

How can you separate the two? The so-called "policies" of the BNP would directly affect their lives, by trying to send JCR/Hunt etc to Africa.

This is a party who praises a man who would of stuck Freddy Eastwood and his family into gas chambers (or are they holocaust deniers as well?).

This country maybe going to ****, but it's not the fault of a few brown faces coming into the country.

 

[Blues Trader]

2) it is extremely well documented that aid is far more prevelant in Africa than any other continent, This is largely as a consequence of the the appalling human rights issues being carried out there including the systematic rape of women and children to subjugate the population. These are the very reasons Africans are seeking asylum in our country, for their safety
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Having seen a large number of African men on the prowl in Brighton I would suggest the basic problem is not the hygeine more the fact that black men will sleep with any women regardless of size, looks, smells, colour , disability - And that is a fact.

Bloody hell Dave -:) Kettle Pot Black!

 

[Madchester Blue]

Bloody hell Dave -:) Kettle Pot Black!

:D ;D :D

 

[The Flying Scotsman]

How can you separate the two? The so-called "policies" of the BNP would directly affect their lives, by trying to send JCR/Hunt etc to Africa.

This is a party who praises a man who would of stuck Freddy Eastwood and his family into gas chambers (or are they holocaust deniers as well?).

This country maybe going to ****, but it's not the fault of a few brown faces coming into the country.

No Listen, I'm not saying I agree with it. What I am saying is that they obviously believe that these issues are important than their football team. I disagree with the BNPs values, however I also find it funny that people are comparing going to football with a country's politics.

 

[Madchester Blue]

:D :D :D

Ha ha ha

 

[The Flying Scotsman]

How can you separate the two? The so-called "policies" of the BNP would directly affect their lives, by trying to send JCR/Hunt etc to Africa.

Also, I would happily get rid of Hunt and JCR if it meant that all the other other clubs had to get rid of their black players. As most of our squad are predominately white and british I reckon we would could be one of the top clubs in the country. ****nal, Bolton etc would be struggling to get a team out. Here's a new slogan "Vote BNP - Get SUFC into the Premiership!"

 

[MK Shrimper]

Well it's as bonkers as their "proper" policies!

 

[sufcintheprem]

Also, I would happily get rid of Hunt and JCR if it meant that all the other other clubs had to get rid of their black players. As most of our squad are predominately white and british I reckon we would could be one of the top clubs in the country. ****nal, Bolton etc would be struggling to get a team out. Here's a new slogan "Vote BNP - Get SUFC into the Premiership!"

****nal team that faced Blackburn: Almunia, Senderos, Hleb, Ljungberg, Aliadiere

Bolton team that faced Spurs: Jaaskelainen, Hunt, Giannakopoulos, Nolan, Campo, Speed

You'd probably back Bolton to win that one with their man advantage although ****nal would be dangerous on the break. Lucky they both kept a keeper really....

 

[BluePartridge]

But surely Speed and Nolan would be the only one staying as the rest are all dirty foreigners? Is it just skin colour then? I don't know...

 

[TrueBlue]

Who said I gave up?

Maybe I wanted to escape the potential rise of the Neo-Nazi British National Party?

Dont lie bet it was your round in the spread! :finger: