The EU Referendum

[Gremlin]

Reading some of this stuff I really do wonder how this country ever made it to 1973. How did we ever become a truly Great Britain? How did we become one of the world's leading economies and lead the Industrial Revolution? How did we give the world great scientists, invent the steam engine, the telephone, penicillin, the jet engine and the television without being shackled to the rotting corpse that is the EU?

 

[rigsby]

I hope you aren't questioning Boris Johnson's negotiating skills - just look at the 24 hour tube which has been running with no issues since September 2015....oh, I take your point.

Why are you so scared of Boris. You have just lectured me about pretend situations, yet you are basing your remain on not trusting the Eton boys if we leave. Why don't you have any confidence in a Labour victory at a GE. Or would that definitely be a 'pretend' scenario that's not worth discussing.

Ps before you aim your anti-Boris comments my way. I have never voted Conservative

 

[Beefy]

Reading some of this stuff I really do wonder how this country ever made it to 1973. How did we ever become a truly Great Britain? How did we become one of the world's leading economies and lead the Industrial Revolution? How did we give the world great scientists, invent the steam engine, the telephone, penicillin, the jet engine and the television without being shackled to the rotting corpse that is the EU?

I don't think anyone truly believes the nonsense spoken about what a catastrophe it would be if we leave. We're the fifth largest economy in the World and the 21st largest country in the World. Of course we could get through it and survive. Possibly even thrive.

It's a gamble though. We have literally no idea what would happen over the 2-5-10-20+ years following an exit because no one has bothered to tell us.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Why are you so scared of Boris. You have just lectured me about pretend situations, yet you are basing your remain on not trusting the Eton boys if we leave. Why don't you have any confidence in a Labour victory at a GE. Or would that definitely be a 'pretend' scenario that's not worth discussing.

Ps before you aim your anti-Boris comments my way. I have never voted Conservative

Why do you keep banging on about Eton as some kind of human shield? My post about Boris was 100% about his ability to negotiate - which is very poor - and 0% about his schooling.
GE is due in 2020, referendum is due in 2016. A successful exit from the EU if that is what we will be dealing with is not in the hands of the Labour Party. They could have a big influence on the vote but little influence on how the outcome is handled for at least 4 years.

Tell me please - if we vote to leave, which of the current politicians do you envisage being in charge of the exit, which of those do you trust to do a good job managing that, and are you basing that on something they have achieved in the past?

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Reading some of this stuff I really do wonder how this country ever made it to 1973. How did we ever become a truly Great Britain? How did we become one of the world's leading economies and lead the Industrial Revolution? How did we give the world great scientists, invent the steam engine, the telephone, penicillin, the jet engine and the television without being shackled to the rotting corpse that is the EU?

If a country didn't want to buy our goods we'd send a gunboat until they changed their mind.

These days though it's no longer Fog in Channel; Continent Cut Off because of technological advances.

 

[rigsby]

Why do you keep banging on about Eton as some kind of human shield? My post about Boris was 100% about his ability to negotiate - which is very poor - and 0% about his schooling.
GE is due in 2020, referendum is due in 2016. A successful exit from the EU if that is what we will be dealing with is not in the hands of the Labour Party. They could have a big influence on the vote but little influence on how the outcome is handled for at least 4 years.

Tell me please - if we vote to leave, which of the current politicians do you envisage being in charge of the exit, which of those do you trust to do a good job managing that, and are you basing that on something they have achieved in the past?

Not the faceless ones in Brussels. That is one of the many good reasons I will vote to leave. I can change the people who will be in charge of all this new power and wealth. If the current government or even Boris are making a hash of it they won't be ignored until 2020. You and Jeremy can put them under pressure even in opposition, just the same as stopping Gideon cutting benefits to the disabled.

If as the leave campaign claim, they remove workers rights, Holidays and equal pay for women etc. Then that would play perfectly into Labours hands and might even wake up our sleeping youth into taking an interest in their own future.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Not the faceless ones in Brussels. That is one of the many good reasons I will vote to leave. I can change the people who will be in charge of all this new power and wealth. If the current government or even Boris are making a hash of it they won't be ignored until 2020. You and Jeremy can put them under pressure even in opposition, just the same as stopping Gideon cutting benefits to the disabled.

If as the leave campaign claim, they remove workers rights, Holidays and equal pay for women etc. Then that would play perfectly into Labours hands and might even wake up our sleeping youth into taking an interest in their own future.

Is there anyone in the current UK government that you trust to make a clean break from the EU? Could you name two or three individuals that you genuinely trust to manage that change?

 

[Benfleet A1]

Is there anyone in the current UK government that you trust to make a clean break from the EU? Could you name two or three individuals that you genuinely trust to manage that change?

I'll get ready to duck but......Michael Gove. He isn't the bad guy that many think.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I'll get ready to duck but......Michael Gove. He isn't the bad guy that many think.

Ha! Ask any teacher what they think about Gove.He's a prick.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

I'll get ready to duck but......Michael Gove. He isn't the bad guy that many think.

Agreed. He's pretty much the only one in the Leave camp that I'd want to hear out.

I'm surprised no Leave politician has made a name for themselves in this campaign. Given the vacuum of ideas, talent and politicians of stature at the top of Leave it's the perfect opportunity for someone of ability to make a name for themselves. It's not like Remain when they'd have to elbow aside Obama, Cameron, Osborne, Carney etc and with tax exiles Murdoch, Desmond, Rothermere and the Barclays all pro-Brexit they have enough of a stage available to make their argument.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Ha! Ask any teacher what they think about Gove.He's a prick.

Yeah, well I'd ask you but then I think teachers are ment to answer questions. That rules you out.

 

[mfurok]

Yeah it is pensions, healthcare, etc which are the important points as there are reciprocal agreements in place between the member states. I would have thought that it would have been in Leave's benefit to clarify these points because you've got 2m people - including myself - entitled to vote and who if they are voting selfishly have no option but to vote to remain.

Quite so - and to hell with the other facts.

As long as you (and Phil) who both chose to leave are OK, let's not worry about the people who still live here - and their children.

 

[Gt Yarmouth Shrimper]

Quite so - and to hell with the other facts.

As long as you (and Phil) who both chose to leave are OK, let's not worry about the people who still live here - and their children.

It's the sole reason for me, the next generation. My only concern is the world GYS Jnr will inherit. That's why I prefer to stay, but hey you Brexiters, convince me otherwise.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Quite so - and to hell with the other facts.

As long as you (and Phil) who both chose to leave are OK, let's not worry about the people who still live here - and their children.

On the contrary, I would hope that my (now) adult children (like yours), would still be able to work in the UK-and indeed anywhere else they chose to in the EU- in the future.

For that to happen easily, the UK would have to remain a member of the EU.

Unlike you,however,I'm fully confident in the innate good sense of the UK population to vote for Remain on the 23rd June.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Yeah, well I'd ask you but then I think teachers are ment to answer questions. That rules you out.

Ah.But you clearly misunderstand modern teaching practices.:smile:

We're supposed to elicit, (rather than give automatically), the correct answer.:smiles:

 

[mfurok]

Ah.But you clearly misunderstand modern teaching practices.:smile:

We're supposed to elicit, (rather than give automatically), the correct answer.:smiles:

You've succeeded in eliciting the correct answer from me so I guess you should be congratulated.........

 

[OldBlueLady]

I'll get ready to duck but......Michael Gove. He isn't the bad guy that many think.

Ha! Ask any teacher what they think about Gove. He's a prick.

Or ask any prison officer!

 

[Benfleet A1]

Or ask any prison officer!

Or actually listen to the man rather than taking the Mail/Guardian as gospel.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Ha! Ask any teacher what they think about Gove.He's a prick.

Exactly - his biggest job to date and he royally ****ed it up. Letting any Tom Dick or Harry open schools while banning local education authorities the right to do the same and at the same time forcing schools to become academies run by private companies while parents vote against that happening in the schools their children attend. The man doesn't give a damn about democracy.
If he is the best Leave have to offer......that ain't good.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Or actually listen to the man rather than taking the Mail/Guardian as gospel.

Or judge him by his actions rather than his words. Guilty as charged.