Thanks Kev - but is a new manager needed?

[Avl1983]

In fairness, the poster being quoted has been troll-like and has repeatedly spun facts, even saying that we had regressed last season when we finished 9th, a place down from the season before that even though we would have been 6th without the 10-point deduction.

As for the entertainment comment, we’re a fifth-tier team who haven’t been entertaining since the Tilly era. Trust me, you’d soon get bored of 3-3 draws. Not a dig at you directly because others have said the same but you can bet your life that there would be furious posts about naive defending before long. Tottenham fans aren’t happy with their entertaining team and even the Netherlands with their ultra entertaining team didn’t win anything.

I’m continually baffled by those who dismiss the likes of losing Cardwell and Kensdale in the same week, plus lack of pre-season, as excuses and not facts. Next season is the one where he should be judged authentically.

My point is still correct though, it’s a childish and unneeded comment which puts people off commenting and contributing. The poster that put it also constantly says he’s not going to post anymore and moans about the stick he gets yet continues to post and calls people names, I believe he also called someone a criminal. Not needed. I’ve been called names myself on here (by someone else) because I called out Maher for certain things, it’s not needed.

I agree, Tilly was the last time I think we were really an entertaining team. I didn’t like the football under Brown but at the end of the day we got promoted so I sucked it up and got on with it. I would have had to do the same with Maher if we got promoted but I don’t think that will be the case. I understand that you’ll never please everyone and maybe if we hadn’t had such a lack of entertainment for such a long time I’d agree with you but right now, if we were winning I’d stay quiet but if we’re going to lose and draw I’d rather be scoring some goals and enjoying it more.

I haven’t dismissed the loss of Cardwell or Kensdale, I do think we had the best of Cardwell last season, I don’t think he’d have scored as many this season but I’m sure he’d have scored more than our current frontline. They were a big loss but we’ve also had time to replace them, we’re supposed to have a fantastic scouting network, the signings made have been very questionable, Hopper right now looks a car crash of a signing, on a long deal. There’s no way to defend that one in my opinion, if he’s all that was available then don’t give him a long contract and get someone in on loan!

At the start of the season I agreed that Maher had earned next season to show what he can do, he did really well but the way this season has gone I just don’t think I want to keep watching his style of play anymore. I don’t trust him to take us forward.

 

[Tommy2holes]

My point is still correct though, it’s a childish and unneeded comment which puts people off commenting and contributing. The poster that put it also constantly says he’s not going to post anymore and moans about the stick he gets yet continues to post and calls people names, I believe he also called someone a criminal. Not needed. I’ve been called names myself on here (by someone else) because I called out Maher for certain things, it’s not needed.

I agree, Tilly was the last time I think we were really an entertaining team. I didn’t like the football under Brown but at the end of the day we got promoted so I sucked it up and got on with it. I would have had to do the same with Maher if we got promoted but I don’t think that will be the case. I understand that you’ll never please everyone and maybe if we hadn’t had such a lack of entertainment for such a long time I’d agree with you but right now, if we were winning I’d stay quiet but if we’re going to lose and draw I’d rather be scoring some goals and enjoying it more.

I haven’t dismissed the loss of Cardwell or Kensdale, I do think we had the best of Cardwell last season, I don’t think he’d have scored as many this season but I’m sure he’d have scored more than our current frontline. They were a big loss but we’ve also had time to replace them, we’re supposed to have a fantastic scouting network, the signings made have been very questionable, Hopper right now looks a car crash of a signing, on a long deal. There’s no way to defend that one in my opinion, if he’s all that was available then don’t give him a long contract and get someone in on loan!

At the start of the season I agreed that Maher had earned next season to show what he can do, he did really well but the way this season has gone I just don’t think I want to keep watching his style of play anymore. I don’t trust him to take us forward.

Great post and pretty much how I see it as well.

 

[meerkat54]

The poll is looking quite convincing on Kevs tenure. I wonder if any consortium members take note on any of our threads ?
Although it’s quite unlikely we can influence any decision making at present .

 

[Holy Joe]

My point is still correct though, it’s a childish and unneeded comment which puts people off commenting and contributing. The poster that put it also constantly says he’s not going to post anymore and moans about the stick he gets yet continues to post and calls people names, I believe he also called someone a criminal. Not needed. I’ve been called names myself on here (by someone else) because I called out Maher for certain things, it’s not needed.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet - that never happened - he said a situation was criminal, a very common phrase.

 

[ms brush]

I still think that this is a bit of a pointless debate, as it is clear to me that COSU are still fully behind Kev. There has been too many far bigger off the field issues to deal with to rebuild the club, so whilst the footballing department is doing ok, it is going to be allowed to continue. While that club-wide infrastructure rebuild is happening in the background, there is some consistency and stability on the playing side, which likely means that things stay as they are for now.

A full pre-season is very necessary now, without the dramas of no water, terrible facilities, bills going unpaid, embargos, winding up orders and on/off takeovers etc. We havent had one of those for at least 5 years! In addition, a big rebuild of the squad is needed for next season as well, and only when that has been done, there might be a case for a new manager. When you look at things objectively, it looks like we will finish just outside the playoffs the second season running, which isnt too bad considering there was a very big risk we wouldnt exist!

And to be honest, there arent that many people who would be a better prospect at this moment in time, so unless we can entice Graham Coughlan or get the Cowley brothers in, there is no point in changing anything.

I just want to say that the entertainment factor this season has been woeful, and as we know, we have been far too inconsistent, so even if we make the playoffs by some form of miracle, we are going nowhere because we cant score goals! I think we just need to be patient all round, and maybe adjust our exepctation levels slightly. I would love to say with conviction that I can take a stay / go decision for Maher, but I am still on the fence for all the reasons outlined above!

 

[Avl1983]

Don't believe everything you read on the internet - that never happened - he said a situation was criminal, a very common phrase.

The point is still valid, coming on here calling people names is not needed, especially from someone who comes on here Discussing about the stick they get on posts! It stops people from wanting to contribute, but maybe that’s why it’s done?

 

[blues exile]

Don't believe everything you read on the internet - that never happened - he said a situation was criminal, a very common phrase.

No he didn't. See his post 2553 in which he said my disrespect was 'absolutely criminal'' as well as calling me a troll. I reported this but apparently it's ok to slander people on here.

 

[Che's Left Foot]

No he didn't. See his post 2553 in which he said my disrespect was 'absolutely criminal'' as well as calling me a troll. I reported this but apparently it's ok to slander people on here.

Not condoning it but to me, it seems some of those most vehemently backing Kev and taking most offence at any criticism are connected to the club in some way - so to some extent you can understand why they are more emotionally invested.

That said, we're all on the same side here and want the club to succeed, so to see people labelling fellow supporters "trolls", "criminal" etc is a shame.

Sorry going wildly off topic, but what is interesting is that even those backing Kev aren't happy and acknowledge something isn't working.

He deserves a little more time imo but needs to demonstrate some flexibility and try to mix things up when clearly the current approach isn't working.

 

[TheSouthendUnitedRunner]

Right, it seems a few people are struggling to read what I wrote.

Yes, I called him a troll. He clearly is. It’s not because he is Maher Out, I’ve seen some good posts from both sides of the arguments and I can see the viewpoint of both sides of the fence. I know you shouldn’t do that in this day and age, but I’m Maher In but I can see he has flaws. I’m happy if anyone can point me in the direction of a single positive post from him. I’ve given different reasons about things, losing players, embargo’s, players not playing at the same levels etc etc but everyone has been shot down and not allowed. It’s all because of Maher. He can do no right apparently.

I’ve stated numerous times, I have zero connection to Kev. So I’m not emotionally connected to him. It’s the Club. Not the manager.

Again, I’ve never called anyone criminal. That’s laughable. I said:

The amount of disrespect for a man who has done so much for this Club, both as a player and a manager, but more importantly as a man, is absolutely criminal.

That wasn’t just at that poster, so I’ve no idea why he has got so upset. That was in general. As @Holy Joe has pointed out, it’s a common phrase.

Just wanted to clear my name, as some people are throwing mud at me, and I’m not having it. People should read what I’ve wrote properly.

 

[blues exile]

Right, it seems a few people are struggling to read what I wrote.

Yes, I called him a troll. He clearly is. It’s not because he is Maher Out, I’ve seen some good posts from both sides of the arguments and I can see the viewpoint of both sides of the fence. I know you shouldn’t do that in this day and age, but I’m Maher In but I can see he has flaws. I’m happy if anyone can point me in the direction of a single positive post from him. I’ve given different reasons about things, losing players, embargo’s, players not playing at the same levels etc etc but everyone has been shot down and not allowed. It’s all because of Maher. He can do no right apparently.

I’ve stated numerous times, I have zero connection to Kev. So I’m not emotionally connected to him. It’s the Club. Not the manager.

Again, I’ve never called anyone criminal. That’s laughable. I said:



That wasn’t just at that poster, so I’ve no idea why he has got so upset. That was in general. As @Holy Joe has pointed out, it’s a common phrase.

Just wanted to clear my name, as some people are throwing mud at me, and I’m not having it. People should read what I’ve wrote properly.

No good trying to wriggle out of what you posted, it is there for all to see. You sre good at playing the victim when you are the one who makes it personal, such as describing me, a supporter of more than sixty years, as a troll. Add to that the number of times you have said you won't post anymore and then come back shortly after for the last word.

 

[dcblue]

Strong opposing beliefs on a subject always causes upsetting someone. I was called a troll, amongst other things, on the old politics forum but it never upset me. I just wondered how some people could be so blind to not understand my argument and I expect they thought the same. Don't take it personally.

 

[Holy Joe]

No he didn't. See his post 2553 in which he said my disrespect was 'absolutely criminal'' as well as calling me a troll. I reported this but apparently it's ok to slander people on here.

I reread it before I posted and standby my view.

 

[Leigh_Seasider]

Both Kev in and Kev out are valid opinions. It’d be expensive just to ‘get rid’ and get different people in and even then there’s no guarantees. This will be a factor in any decision. Plus Kev only just missed play offs with his hands tied etc etc .. well at least we could put to bed the ‘he needs an uninhibited pre season and better players’ argument once and for all. Set a target, play offs by Christmas and see how it goes.

On the other side of the coin, of course if Kev starts off the season poorly having bought a load of players in, another manager inherits his players. It’s then a mess to sort out and players take time to adjust etc .. I wouldn’t want to be COSU myself!

I don’t agree we play dull boring football though & always play sideways/backwards. We just can’t cross, take set pieces or score enough!! Funny how thousands of people watch games and have totally different views.

 

[Ricey]

Think we’ve done the he said, she said stuff to death now.

Any further posts on the matter will be deleted.

There has been some excellent debate from all 3 sides here. Let’s keep it that way without having to resort to petty name calling and condescending posts.

 

[Southend Elvis]

KM, as someone said in an earlier post, is now under pressure to succeed. Previous seasons, no one could blame him for not producing the goods due to the turmoil surrounding the club.
Many have made the decision, that he's not up to it following this season of relative disappointment. Others want to give him more time, fair enough.
I make decisions really quickly, and stick to those views, other tend to take their time and mull over things, that's how we are.
My main problem, is the ongoing damage that giving KM funds to rebuild in the summer, if things end up going wrong, we could be stuck with players who are not good enough and not needed.
So if we are going to keep him, can we only sign players on 1 year deals, or bring 3 or 4 season long loans. I don't want us having nothing to look forward to at the end of next season, because they are all under contract.

 

[Holy Joe]

My main problem, is the ongoing damage that giving KM funds to rebuild in the summer, if things end up going wrong, we could be stuck with players who are not good enough and not needed.
So if we are going to keep him, can we only sign players on 1 year deals, or bring 3 or 4 season long loans. I don't want us having nothing to look forward to at the end of next season, because they are all under contract.

Most of the current squads contracts end in 2026 so that pretty much won't be an issue.

The danger of only offering 1 year deals is that you won't compete with clubs offering 2 yr (or longer) deals. Additionally you tend to want some continuity from season to season so I have no issues with having some players under contract into 2027 and beyond. Additionally if you're signing someone you think may have future resale then they need to be on a longer than 1 yr deal.

 

[NZamba Legend]

KM, as someone said in an earlier post, is now under pressure to succeed. Previous seasons, no one could blame him for not producing the goods due to the turmoil surrounding the club.
Many have made the decision, that he's not up to it following this season of relative disappointment. Others want to give him more time, fair enough.
I make decisions really quickly, and stick to those views, other tend to take their time and mull over things, that's how we are.
My main problem, is the ongoing damage that giving KM funds to rebuild in the summer, if things end up going wrong, we could be stuck with players who are not good enough and not needed.
So if we are going to keep him, can we only sign players on 1 year deals, or bring 3 or 4 season long loans. I don't want us having nothing to look forward to at the end of next season, because they are all under contract.

COSU can’t be half-assed about backing Kev over the summer, they need to be decisive and back him fully or move on. No point in another summer where there are restrictions over who Kev can sign. We will miss out in all our targets again

 

[wiggy]

Kevin Maher would not know a good player if it hit him in the face.
To drop the player of the month this week says it all….cut the loyalty crap and see him for what he is, a very poor manager that is taking us absolutely nowhere. Had so many chances to go for the jugular and as usual went out with a whimper. The three up front worked well, even with Hopper but oh no, that’s far too dangerous and entertaining, let’s revert to type!

 

[Tinks]

Think we’ve done the he said, she said stuff to death now.

Any further posts on the matter will be deleted.

There has been some excellent debate from all 3 sides here. Let’s keep it that way without having to resort to petty name calling and condescending posts.

Have to agree here.
I think we all have our views and it is nice to have varied opinions and peoples thoughts but we all want the same thing - success for our club both on/off the pitch and we are all supporters of the club.

 

[It'sGrimUpNorth]

I appreciate emotions have gone beyond control but to accuse a fellow zoner of being 'criminal' and 'a troll' is surely beyond acceptable. I hope the necessary action will be taken.

A good ol’ fashioned bit of flaying maybe?