teacher training

[jassyfa1]

Im thinking about going into teacher. I am aware that you need 2 degrees to get in so the 1st would be history and the second I presume would be the teacher training course. Does anybody know how much you get paid throughout the training?

 

[Tinks]

My son is undergoing his teacher training at the mo. Your best bet if you want to teach a main subject (ie English, maths or science) is to go through one of the local schools that offer training via the local authority.

 

[pickledseal]

You don't need two degrees.

You need a degree, usually a 2.2 or higher. There are then several routes in:

PGCE- less than a year in a university studying for a Post-Graduate Certificate in Education
SCITT (PGCE) - similar time in school/lectures but generally in a college or possibly school
SCITT (GTP) - college/school based - far more time in school and no PGCE at the end
GTP - as above but supported by school and LEA

Funding:
PGCE routes provide funding through grants and loans. All depends on circumstances. My partner is doing a SCITT (PGCE) and basically pays her rent/bills of £400/month and then has about £600-700 for other living expenses including travel.
GTP you set a training salary which I think is about £14,000 which prob works about the same per month. (although some of PGCE adds to student loan)

Any more questions? A few teachers about on here who will be willing to help.
(and hopefully they can correct me if any of the above is wrong!)

 

[jassyfa1]

You don't need two degrees.

You need a degree, usually a 2.2 or higher. There are then several routes in:

PGCE- less than a year in a university studying for a Post-Graduate Certificate in Education
SCITT (PGCE) - similar time in school/lectures but generally in a college or possibly school
SCITT (GTP) - college/school based - far more time in school and no PGCE at the end
GTP - as above but supported by school and LEA

Funding:
PGCE routes provide funding through grants and loans. All depends on circumstances. My partner is doing a SCITT (PGCE) and basically pays her rent/bills of £400/month and then has about £600-700 for other living expenses including travel.
GTP you set a training salary which I think is about £14,000 which prob works about the same per month. (although some of PGCE adds to student loan)

Any more questions? A few teachers about on here who will be willing to help.
(and hopefully they can correct me if any of the above is wrong!)

Okay at the moment I have a diploma in nursing and I am 30 credits short of an honour degree in nursing and social work although I am no longer doing the course (long story). I presume all this counts for nothing towards teacher training. I would like to teach history as that is what I am passionate about.
I know that I would have to do one of the above courses, but which one gives you the better chance of a job once I have completed the course?

 

[pickledseal]

My son is undergoing his teacher training at the mo. Your best bet if you want to teach a main subject (ie English, maths or science) is to go through one of the local schools that offer training via the local authority.

Only problem with GTP is there are some sink/swim stories.... (I have some horror stories of people in Southend schools!) Additionally teaching is increasingly becoming a M-level profession and most PGCE courses now give you some credits towards this. A friend of mine doing it also got really p*ssed off with doing all these assignments and not getting a qualification! It works for some peeps. However, if Southend LEA have got better at it and you get a good school you can make a good teacher very quickly.

 

[pickledseal]

Okay at the moment I have a diploma in nursing and I am 30 credits short of an honour degree in nursing and social work although I am no longer doing the course (long story). I presume all this counts for nothing towards teacher training. I would like to teach history as that is what I am passionate about.
I know that I would have to do one of the above courses, but which one gives you the better chance of a job once I have completed the course?

Hmmm maybe speak to your university. You maybe able to start doing some units that will give you a credit to get the BA in nursing/social work. There are some subject courses (I think UEA used to do them?) where you can brush up on subject knowledge. Also look to see if there are any evening classes you could enrol in. Then contact the LEA or university to see about their acceptance criteria. The social work side of your degree will be a bit asset.

At interview it will be more about your interview itself and how you teach that interview lesson - and if they want a cheap NQT etc. I don't think it would stop you getting a job if you had a PGCE in History.

 

[pickledseal]

Oh best bet, get in touch with the uni where you are part way through the BA and speak to their careers service. They are usually available to past students?

 

[Hotman]

Im thinking about going into teacher

What teacher are you going into - Vange Shrimper? WestRoadShrimper?

 

[EastStandBlue]

I was thinking about going into teacher too... She asked me to stand up and I was properly tenting my trousers.

 

[shrimperman]

I did my GTP last year so will be happy to advise where and when I'm about on here. Salary is £15,000 and then goes up quite substantially after gaining NQT status (Newly Qualified Teacher). The assignments are a pain in the arse but as Pickledseal mentioned, these do go towards credits if you wanted to persue with a masters.

Just a bit of advice, it's an extremely challenging year. You'll be required to teach whilst also completing various tasks and activities throughout the year (which includes the three assignments)... it's pretty full on but at the same time really rewarding if you're prepared to put the time and effort in. Just don't get started on it if you have too many commitments as it will drain you to the limit.... particularly if you are working in a challenging school!

 

[Lord Football]

Thank christ my kids moved up north!

 

[WestRoadShrimper]

You don't need two degrees.

You need a degree, usually a 2.2 or higher. There are then several routes in:

PGCE- less than a year in a university studying for a Post-Graduate Certificate in Education
SCITT (PGCE) - similar time in school/lectures but generally in a college or possibly school
SCITT (GTP) - college/school based - far more time in school and no PGCE at the end
GTP - as above but supported by school and LEA

Funding:
PGCE routes provide funding through grants and loans. All depends on circumstances. My partner is doing a SCITT (PGCE) and basically pays her rent/bills of £400/month and then has about £600-700 for other living expenses including travel.
GTP you set a training salary which I think is about £14,000 which prob works about the same per month. (although some of PGCE adds to student loan)

Any more questions? A few teachers about on here who will be willing to help.
(and hopefully they can correct me if any of the above is wrong!)

Nope, sounds about right. If you don't mind me asking, how's your partner finding the SCITT course? It's not something we've gone into at my place so have had very little contact with people that have done it.

What teacher are you going into - Vange Shrimper? WestRoadShrimper?

I should hope it's not me - I've not even been bought a drink yet..... Ahem, back to seriousness.

Personally, I'd say whichever route you choose is down to your circumstances. The lack of degree may not even hold you back, as I've known a few people get onto the GTP course without one as they were the type of person the school were looking for.

From what I've seen, I'd sum it up as follows:

PGCE gives you MUCH more about the theory of teaching, the pedagogy, than the GTP. In my opinion this is better, and tends to initially produce better teachers as they have a greater understanding of why they're doing things. Generally you tend to only build up to about a 50% teaching timetable by the end of the course, so if you're not careful the first year can hit you like a ton of bricks.

GTP gives you much more hands experience right from day one, as you are based in the classroom from the start. It really can be sink or swim regardless how good the support is, although clearly finding a school with a history of producing GTP based teachers is preferable as good support is better than rubbish. In, again, my opinion this tends to initially produce people that are better at managing their classroom. The ton of bricks problem is generally avoided as you'll have gone through it during the training year.

In summary (you can tell I'm a teacher from that phrase alone!) during the first couple of years of teaching GTP produces people that have less behaviour management issues whereas PGCE produces people that find it slightly easier to impart their knowledge onto the kids, simply because of the difference in their structures. After a couple of years in the job there are no noticable differences between teachers from either background.

As I said at the start, your own circumstances will probably dictate which route you take. Bottom line is it's a job that, after qualifying, you can either do or not and it genuinely doesn't matter which route you take to get there.



Jeez, I only meant to write a quick reply - I've ended up with a flippin essay!

 

[adwebb16]

Primary or Secondary should be thefirst question that you need to ask yourself!

 

[The General]

My other half (Emu) may well have some advice for you jassyfa1 as she is 4 days into the life of working!! It might be best to PM her as she spends half her life on FB, playing either that Cafe thing or the Farm thing. Im sure she'd be happy to help.

Kev

 

[Ron Manager]

Thank christ my kids moved up north!

Am I right in thinking there could be kids in this town who's first face they saw when they were born was your brother's ugly mug and then just as they start to get over that shock and trauma they could get to school and find out he's their teacher?!?! :O ;)

 

[Lord Football]

Am I right in thinking there could be kids in this town who's first face they saw when they were born was your brother's ugly mug and then just as they start to get over that shock and trauma they could get to school and find out he's their teacher?!?! :O ;)

Poor little sods.

 

[jassyfa1]

Primary or Secondary should be thefirst question that you need to ask yourself!

Secondary would be my aim

 

[jassyfa1]

Am I right in thinking there could be kids in this town who's first face they saw when they were born was your brother's ugly mug and then just as they start to get over that shock and trauma they could get to school and find out he's their teacher?!?! :O ;)

Ho ho ho, I was only present for two births during my training and I dare say they are already having therapy for that.

 

[pickledseal]

Nope, sounds about right.

*Phew* into my 4th year now and glad I am not too out of touch!

How's your partner finding the SCITT course?

Yeah really good. She is doing it at Suffolk College as part of Suffolk and Norfolk SCITT (SNITT they call it, nice). Basically it is exactly the same as doing a PGCE at a university regarding time in school, time in lectures, assignments and final qualification. They are affiliated to UEA but award the PGCE themselves. Apparently they have to call themselves a SCITT for this reason, it's basically not from a University. She finds it a small set up, around 25 students in Suffolk, where they get to know all their tutors well and support is excellent. She also gets loan of digital camera, memory sticks and a laptop for the year!

There are other SCITTs, think Shenfield High, which are more like GTP. I don't know much about them.

GTP produces people that have less behaviour management issues whereas PGCE produces people that find it slightly easier to impart their knowledge onto the kids.

Totally agree on that one.

 

[OldBlueLady]

There's a SCITT group in my area - through the BATIC cluster (Benfleet and Thundersley) if that's of any use?