Support the living wage

[Tangled up in Blue]

I was trying to make this point to Barna, but as with most lefties, they seem to think the bloke that runs the Company is milking it dry whilst paying staff a pittance, which in reality is just not the case.

If he ever got off his fat arse and got in amongst the real world he might see things in a different light.

I'll be doing just that (again) this afternoon, when I go in to teach a group of adults on an intensive language course at the EOI in Sabadell.

i agree it is more important at that end. as demonstrated in Maslow's hierarchy of needs (see I can do theories too). Thing is, the basics are more than adequately covered by the current min wage and welfare state. Hence, money is considered more of a hygiene factor (see Herzberg's theory) for most.

I wish I had a 100 euros for every student presentation I've sat through on Maslow's hierachy of needs.I first came across his pyramid in my own first year undergraduate days,many moons ago.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Also Barna. Do you honestly believe that an extra £1.00 per hour or so in a persons pay packet is going to make them more productive and thus more beneficial to an employer then you're clearly so far detached from the realities of normal working life then I think you'd be better off working in Spain..............................oh, wait. Scrap that.

As *** said :"The trick is getting the level of minimum pay right."

 

[Napster]

As *** said :"The trick is getting the level of minimum pay right."

So it's a trick, a sleight of hand. :winking:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

So it's a trick, a sleight of hand. :winking:

You're a funny man,Naps.:winking:

 

[Neil_F]

As you will be well aware, that is a question which is almost impossible for an ordinary member of the public to answer.I suggest you wait until an attempt to introduce the living wage is made,hopefully by Ed Balls, after the next GE.

So you would be happy for a government to introduce a policy that would increase unemployment, even though you don't know by how much? Seems reckless to me.

Since the rest of your post contains a motley collection of untruths,half lies and petty, personal insults I won't be concerning myself with it.

Those are some bold claims. Perhaps you would like to point out my "untruths" and "half lies". I take it from this response that you don't have any argument to make to the contrary?

I'm sorry (for you) that you have so little compassion for the poor and are arrogant and contemptous of people who disagree with your views.

Again, the typical leftie response that anyone that disagrees must be uncaring. I said in my first post that the intention was admirable and one I agree with (increasing the consumption power of the lowest paid), but policy by intention never works well. You are advocating something that would put some of the lowest paid out of work completely, yet you can't say how many. Forcing people in to unemployment doesn't seem very compassionate to me.

I advocated reducing the tax burden on the poor and cutting the cost of government to pay for it. As the cost would not be passed on to employers there not not be the unemployment issues that arises from the living wage proposal. Whose proposal is more compassionate?

 

[Bielzibubz]

As *** said :"The trick is getting the level of minimum pay right."

Jeez, you just don't get it do you. What may be a right level that allows 20 small to medium companies to adapt, change and survive may be a level that tips another 20 that are already on the edge over that edge and into closure and subsequently make multiple redundancies. Is that what your advocating Barna?

 

[Jam_Man]

Well if the benefits cap of 26,000 isnt enough to live on according to barna then the minimum wage needs to be rased to about £13 an hour just to live on the bread line.

 

[mrsblue]

Well if the benefits cap of 26,000 isnt enough to live on according to barna then the minimum wage needs to be rased to about £13 an hour just to live on the bread line.

You got it.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Well if the benefits cap of 26,000 isnt enough to live on according to barna then the minimum wage needs to be rased to about £13 an hour just to live on the bread line.

I would be very happy to receive £13 an hour - it would almost double my wages! :sad:

 

[Napster]

I would be very happy to receive £13 an hour - it would almost double my wages! :sad:

Maybe you should work more hours or re-train?

:winking:

 

[steveo]

Maybe you should work more hours or re-train?

:winking:

Or go and work for Barna. I'm sure he would favour you with at least the living wage, or probably more as he is always banging on about sharing the wealth. He could teach you how business should work in an ideal world - well at least according to some book he once read.

 

[mark387]

I think the notion of a living wage is flawed. If you increase the minimum wage you increase the cost of running a business, that business then needs to increase its' prices to remain viable thus increasing the cost of living. Or that business ceases to exist thus forcing more people into unemployment. Rather than increase the financial burden on companies the government need to find a way of helping to ease the burden so that companies can flourish and employ more staff or increase the wages of existing staff.

Theoretically the more profit a business can make the more savings can be passed down to customers decreasing the cost of living.

 

[MK Shrimper]

I think the notion of a living wage is flawed. If you increase the minimum wage you increase the cost of running a business, that business then needs to increase its' prices to remain viable thus increasing the cost of living. Or that business ceases to exist thus forcing more people into unemployment. Rather than increase the financial burden on companies the government need to find a way of helping to ease the burden so that companies can flourish and employ more staff or increase the wages of existing staff.

Theoretically the more profit a business can make the more savings can be passed down to customers decreasing the cost of living.

Theoretically, but it doesn't work like that. Those at the top see their wages rise, the shareholders get a nice return whilst those at the bottom see their incomes shrink.

Same as it ever was.

 

[Napster]

Theoretically, but it doesn't work like that. Those at the top see their wages rise, the shareholders get a nice return whilst those at the bottom see their incomes shrink.

Same as it ever was.

So why not buy some shares then?

 

[steveo]

Theoretically, but it doesn't work like that. Those at the top see their wages rise, the shareholders get a nice return whilst those at the bottom see their incomes shrink.

Same as it ever was.

Not always true MK. I am sure you are far to sensible to make such a generalisation. See the post by Bielzibubz

Even if it is the case, if you are referring to small business, the bloke at the top is usually the bloke who took the chance and set the business up so surely he is entitled to a bigger return.

 

[Hotman]

I wish I had a 100 euros for every student presentation I've sat through on Maslow's hierachy of needs.I first came across his pyramid in my own first year undergraduate days,many moons ago.

So, is Maslow right or wrong? Should I be quoting the moustached Maslow, or instead the bearded dicksplat from shrimperzone, in future?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

So, is Maslow right or wrong? Should I be quoting the moustached Maslow, or instead the bearded dicksplat from shrimperzone, in future?

You pays your money,you makes your choice (or not as the case may be). :raspberry:

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

So why not buy some shares then?

He's already a shareholder. Where do you think his pension is invested?

 

[MK Shrimper]

He's already a shareholder. Where do you think his pension is invested?

Wasn't talking about me. I'm lucky enough to have worked for a Nationalised company that took care of it's workers rather than making them work for as little as possible for the benefit of the shareholders.

 

[South Bank Hank]

Wasn't talking about me. I'm lucky enough to have worked for a Nationalised company that took care of it's workers rather than making them work for as little as possible for the benefit of the shareholders.

Just a quick question Paul, what do the shareholders do when you stop offering them a profit that's comparable with other investments they might consider?