Stop The Mosque

[Benfleet A1]

Religion is important to those who practice it, it just isn't rammed down your neck anymore like it was in the past. And before MK starts, yes I know we did try that approach during the Crusades but that was 500 years ago and like slavery we have said sorry countless times, how long do you hold a grudge? I don't think it has anything to do with education, it is more to do with weak-mindedness. While hate and vile is being preached then the problem wont go away. Islam just wont modernise and there lies the problem. Catholics had to as did CofE, in fact Christianity as a whole has cleaned up it's act over the last 100 years. It's time Islam did the same.

Islamic extremism is as racist as abuse against the colour of anothers skin. Religion doesn't make anymore exceptable.

 

[Cricko]

It seems to me alot of these so called Muslims etc ( Enter Faith here) ..hide behind there faith to cause unrest not only within there own communities but now on a world wide basis.....

There were once many wars in the name of Religion and it seems today that is the only excuse they can find to take on a different people's ideals. Didn't they all grow up from previous errors.NO!

Hence I have no time for Religion at all, but all the time in the world for Spirtuality.

 

[TMWLT]

I am extremely pleased you took the time to rifle through my family album

this would be the column 88 reunion circa 2001 i guess its hard to pinpoint which one it is as there has been so many, this i think i was bavaria,

whereas recents ones have been held in outposts of pakistan aka milton keynes

 

[J]

Because he's daddy's little soldier...

The cat's in the cradle....and the silver spoon...... :cry:

You're a ****... stop making enemies.

You have no perception of any form of politics, you need to sort yourself and take a look at yourself.. if you are a man, then god help what this race, the white english one is coming too..

don't like it? Then do one...

 

[osymandus]

I think I have understood what you are getting at. Below is a description of what pagan means

"Pagan" and "heathen" redirect here. For other usages, see Pagan (disambiguation) and Heathen (disambiguation)

Paganism (from Latin paganus, meaning "country dweller, rustic") is a term which, from a Western perspective, has come to connote a broad set of spiritual or cultic practices or beliefs of any folk religion, and of historical and contemporary polytheistic religions in particular.

The term can be defined broadly, to encompass the faith traditions outside the Abrahamic monotheistic group of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. The group so defined includes the Indian religions (such as Hinduism, Jainism), Native American religions and mythologies and Shinto as well as non-Abrahamic ethnic religions in general. More narrow definitions will not include any of the world religions and restrict the term to local or rural currents not organized as civil religions. Characteristic of pagan traditions is the absence of proselytism and the presence of a living mythology which explains religious practice.[1]

The term "pagan" is a Christian adaptation of the "gentile" of Judaism, and as such has an inherent Christian or Abrahamic bias, and pejorative connotations among Westerners,[2] comparable to heathen, and infidel, mushrik and kafir (كافر) in Islam. For this reason, ethnologists avoid the term "paganism," with its uncertain and varied meanings, in referring to traditional or historic faiths, preferring more precise categories such as polytheism, shamanism, pantheism, or animism.

Since the later 20th century, "pagan" or "paganism" has become widely used as a self-designation by adherents of neo-paganism.[3]

Hardly how Southend on Sea dwellers can be classed wouldn't you agree?

Like it or not, The Koran teachings by extremist islamist groups are not what you or I read into them but it is a fact that clerics are spreading hate through their own Holy Book, in short, spreading racism. Also revelations are the writings of John containing apocalyptic literature. Not declarations of war against the infidel, which I believe is a fond word used against us westerners.

And your grammar is abysmal.

And yet still you understood parts clever you

Wait let me stop you at the first line the Christian (Latin being the language of the Catholic church)definition of... of religions and ideologies they hated or wanted removed You mean , any adherent outside the big monotheistic trio. The prevailing authority on the western world for the last 2000 years . Helped created by the failing Roman empire to become the Holy Roman empire . And whys this important because the last Empire at we have at the moment is built on its foundations as well. When an empire crumbles it directs itself and its people towards an enemy , can you guess where this ones going (btw Al-Quedea for instance was funded trained and recruited by US and UK forces to fight against the Russians in the 1970's).

If you believe Southenders don't describe themselves as such i think it is you who is some what mistaken (Wiccan, druid , Hindu , Buddhist , Taoist, fire worshippers, Zoroastrians to Rosicrucian walk the byways of Southend) So no i completely disagree.

Revelations was indeed about the Roman "invaders" of the, it was written directly after the death of Nero and in the rein of Titus (the mayfly emperor). Concerning the "Pagan" Romans who wanted to crush the budding Christianity , (which is odd as they didn't really care about them at the time) . And yes "end" time organisation (mainly Christian groups) are of all places preaching at the temp,e on the mount . Many do have rather large purse strings to back them up .

Oh i agree but you miss the point , that's what the individuals are doing . Not the Muslim world , not the Arabic world , not the Christian world , or Jewish or Hindu (remember the attack on the Golden temple about 20 years ago) but the small group of minority individuals (exactly the same of America's Bible belt and more right wing groups , and the highly extreme Zionist groups of Israel (wanting all gentiles removed)) . So it's not the method as stated (which is so easy to hate on a purely reactionary level ) that is at fault , rather those employing it wouldn't you say ?

 

[osymandus]

It seems to me alot of these so called Muslims etc ( Enter Faith here) ..hide behind there faith to cause unrest not only within there own communities but now on a world wide basis.....

There were once many wars in the name of Religion and it seems today that is the only excuse they can find to take on a different people's ideals. Didn't they all grow up from previous errors.NO!

Hence I have no time for Religion at all, but all the time in the world for Spirtuality.

On a slight tangent (ORANGES only kidding).
I think people become confused between the two . Religion (as I've put on here ) really is only a descriptive noun , its root meaning literal is to bind yourself to something sacred or indeed spiritual. Yoga means the same thing . They hate one method and there by become alienated from ever looking into any other form (Shamanism is regarded as the worlds oldest form of religion btw)

Its this level of separatism, even on definitions of words that people need to look at . In their own minds and perceptions . What you see with your own two peepers isn't what your mate , sister , wife , brother will ever see , nor should it be.

 

[callan]

If you believe Southenders don't describe themselves as such i think it is you who is some what mistaken (Wiccan, druid , Hindu , Buddhist , Taoist, fire worshippers, Zoroastrians to Rosicrucian walk the byways of Southend) So no i completely disagree.

So how many of the religions named above are opening up a place of worship in Southend then?
It probably isn't fashionable to describe yourself these days as Christian, but that would be without a doubt what the Majority of people in Southend are or at least were born into that faith.
I dont think it's unreasonable for anyone to be suspicious of the Muslim community at present, as they are hardly doing a wonderful PR job for themselves.
And Islam as a religion has done little in the way to modernise in the way that other churches have.
I would be opposed to the opening of any more Mosques in the UK full stop until such time that they get there house in order.

 

[MK Shrimper]

You're a ****... stop making enemies.

You have no perception of any form of politics, you need to sort yourself and take a look at yourself.. if you are a man, then god help what this race, the white english one is coming too..

don't like it? Then do one...

It's a joke, chill out. And I've got a wider understanding of politics than someone who sees it from one side only.

 

[steveo]

And I've got a wider understanding of politics than someone who sees it from one side only

And how many sides do you see it from then?

How about this one I just heard on the Radio. Nurses in Yorkshire hospitals are being asked to stop work 5 times a day and move the beds of all Muslim patients so they are facing towards Mecca.

Scandalous, how can we let all these people take over our country without giving them their own hospitals. Surely the poor souls shouldnt have to share with us.

 

[osymandus]

So how many of the religions named above are opening up a place of worship in Southend then?
It probably isn't fashionable to describe yourself these days as Christian, but that would be without a doubt what the Majority of people in Southend are or at least were born into that faith.
I dont think it's unreasonable for anyone to be suspicious of the Muslim community at present, as they are hardly doing a wonderful PR job for themselves.
And Islam as a religion has done little in the way to modernise in the way that other churches have.
I would be opposed to the opening of any more Mosques in the UK full stop until such time that they get there house in order.

Well given only 2 mentioned actually got for the public temple types places of worship (Church btw means a gathering of people).Its an intresting assumption but propably not as accurate is it once was. Its a tradition to be baptsied in to Christiantity , but it dosnt make you one. People normally say COE as the old joke (or Jedi these days). Using that criteria you would have to apply this to Jewish , Christian and Hindu lpaces of worship , none of their relgions has praticulaty "upgraded" themselves , the prevaling ethics and morals of the west are Christian based on the 10 commandments . What has been done is the seperation or understanding of a detcachment from state and relgion. Im not saying theres not room for change , but it comes from both sides

 

[Firestorm]

And how many sides do you see it from then?

How about this one I just heard on the Radio. Nurses in Yorkshire hospitals are being asked to stop work 5 times a day and move the beds of all Muslim patients so they are facing towards Mecca.

Scandalous, how can we let all these people take over our country without giving them their own hospitals. Surely the poor souls shouldnt have to share with us.

Personally I think that is a waste of time and effort for the nursing staff and borders on the ridiculous, but as most hospitals provide a chapel (and probably take people down there in wheelchairs if requested) I suppose it is only being consistant across all religions.

Just in the nature of debate, Christians form 33% of the world population (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html) , that includes catholic , jehova's witnesses etc. Muslims 2.1% and Non religion 16% . That would indicate that there are quite a number of Non White Christians.

To me, the Bottom line to this whole story is that the United reform Church, due to dwindling congregation numbers, sold the church. Surely they should be the ones castigated for removing the church, not the purchasers ?

 

[osymandus]

And how many sides do you see it from then?

How about this one I just heard on the Radio. Nurses in Yorkshire hospitals are being asked to stop work 5 times a day and move the beds of all Muslim patients so they are facing towards Mecca.

Scandalous, how can we let all these people take over our country without giving them their own hospitals. Surely the poor souls shouldnt have to share with us.

WHAT !!! Utter tosh , Muslism have dispensation from praying when their ill .Plus if their Yorkshire lads and lasses born and bred anyway they proably tell them to sod off

 

[MK Shrimper]

WHAT !!! Utter tosh , Muslism have dispensation from praying when their ill .Plus if their Yorkshire lads and lasses born and bred anyway they proably tell them to sod off

And according to nurses they've moving beds for years anyhow!

 

[Firestorm]

So how many of the religions named above are opening up a place of worship in Southend then?
It probably isn't fashionable to describe yourself these days as Christian, but that would be without a doubt what the Majority of people in Southend are or at least were born into that faith.
I dont think it's unreasonable for anyone to be suspicious of the Muslim community at present, as they are hardly doing a wonderful PR job for themselves.
And Islam as a religion has done little in the way to modernise in the way that other churches have.
I would be opposed to the opening of any more Mosques in the UK full stop until such time that they get there house in order.

Whilst I agree with the suspicion of the Muslim community, but that is an exceedingly small %age of the community and a perception fuelled by the media with an ulterior motive and a political agenda, alsoa I would wager that considerably more "christians" are responsible for unlawful deaths in this country than muslims.

As for the places of worship being opened up, more christian places of worship are being closed down than others opening up. A large number of "Christians" align themselves to the religion but do not follow it in any way.
(regular Church attendance being one of the more obvious examples), yet they berate the passion others have for their religion (and in a lot of cases I know it is blind faith)

 

[osymandus]

And according to nurses they've moving beds for years anyhow!

You mean the ones with wheels on that allow them to move paitents with ease :D .Less tos like this and more investigation as to why our hospitals are run as small franchiese to make money !!!

 

[Jonny_Stokes]

I am just appalled that no-one has yet used the phrases "hell in a handcart" or "PC gone mad" in this thread yet (ironically or otherwise).

 

[Wessex]

Religion is important to those who practice it, it just isn't rammed down your neck anymore like it was in the past. And before MK starts, yes I know we did try that approach during the Crusades but that was 500 years ago and like slavery we have said sorry countless times, how long do you hold a grudge? I don't think it has anything to do with education, it is more to do with weak-mindedness. While hate and vile is being preached then the problem wont go away. Islam just wont modernise and there lies the problem. Catholics had to as did CofE, in fact Christianity as a whole has cleaned up it's act over the last 100 years. It's time Islam did the same.

Islamic extremism is as racist as abuse against the colour of anothers skin. Religion doesn't make anymore exceptable.

Why were the crusades so bad??????? At least it checked Islamic expansionism for a couple of centuries.

Islam has been spread by the sword since it's inception. Byzantium, the Balkans, Spain all had to endure occupation and subjugation by Islam. Constantinople never recovered, the Balkans are a tinderbox because of the Islamic presence and Spain was fortunate to drive them out of the Iberian peninsula.

As usual the west is self agonises about past misdemeanours whereas our chums in the East seem to have eff all guilt about the historical blood on their hands.

 

[Desert Shrimper]

Islam has been spread by the sword since it's inception. Byzantium, the Balkans, Spain all had to endure occupation and subjugation by Islam. Canvey Island never recovered, the Balkans are a tinderbox because of the Islamic presence and Spain was fortunate to drive them out of the Iberian peninsula.

So that's why Canvey is such a $hithole?? :eek:

All these years of wondering and it turns out it was the ****ing MUSLIMS fault?!! :fury:

This is all just PC gone mad!

 

[osymandus]

Why were the crusades so bad??????? At least it checked Islamic expansionism for a couple of centuries.

Islam has been spread by the sword since it's inception. Byzantium, the Balkans, Spain all had to endure occupation and subjugation by Islam. Constantinople never recovered, the Balkans are a tinderbox because of the Islamic presence and Spain was fortunate to drive them out of the Iberian peninsula.

As usual the west is self agonises about past misdemeanours whereas our chums in the East seem to have eff all guilt about the historical blood on their hands.

You are aware the Christian church started the crusades arnt you ?Islams inseption was through warfare , but then at the time AND FOR THE PRIORY 5000 years or so was virtually every other ideologey or civilisation. Those Romans didnt ask nicely if you wanted under floor heating ya know . The Greeks city states didnt one day say ooh you know what those Spartans are lovely people lets have a large cuddle (give me strenght) . The Islamic world was not looking to concour the world , and if you must know prior to the rise of Saladin in around 1180's it had been crushed and taken over by the greatest threat of those ages The Mongolians , who did (they were a mixture of Shamans and later Taoist's)

 

[Pubey]

WHAT !!! Utter tosh , Muslism have dispensation from praying when their ill .Plus if their Yorkshire lads and lasses born and bred anyway they proably tell them to sod off

oi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!