Speak English or lose benefits

[steveo]

I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush. If they learn the language, work and pay tax then fair enough. If they dont, get rid. Simple.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I have an issue with that in that in some cases, there are some very hard working breadwinners in immigrant families who do make the effort to learn the language, however, their family members who often join them, don't. Where do you draw the line?

I firmly believe that anyone who wishes to go and settle in a country where your native tongue is not the language of the country, then you should make a conscious effort to learn some, even if it's just basics. And that goes for Brits abroad too.

A lot of immigrants are incredibly hard working, it's really unfair to tar everyone with the same brush. The Government just needs to make it much harder for those not wanting to contribute, to claim benefits, especially to the detriment of British born people (of whichever race). Stop rewarding people for doing nothing, and that's primarily aimed at young girls popping out babies to get accommodation! The whole ethos is wrong, encourage everyone to put something in before they get something out - and that's not meant to sound lewd!

I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush. If they learn the language, work and pay tax then fair enough. If they dont, get rid. Simple.

I'm sorry but both of you really need to get hold of an issue that's worth complaining about.

Tory (and Labour ) politics on immigration from EU countries might well be a good starting point.

 

[maninasuitcase]

Has anyone said exactly how well they have to speak the language and who and how it will be tested?

This type of thing, along with the so called welfare reforms and the bedroom tax makes the tories look good to people who see everyone not working as a scrounger, or a benefit cheat, or an immigrant undeserving of a place in this country. But, I would guess the amount of money 'claimed' by people in these positions would be a drop in the ocean compared to the tax avoided and evaded by big business.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Has anyone said exactly how well they have to speak the language and who and how it will be tested?

This type of thing, along with the so called welfare reforms and the bedroom tax makes the tories look good to people who see everyone not working as a scrounger, or a benefit cheat, or an immigrant undeserving of a place in this country. But, I would guess the amount of money 'claimed' by people in these positions would be a drop in the ocean compared to the tax avoided and evaded by big business.

Good post and I agree and all such naughtiness is best not indulged.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Some facts about immigration from Rumania and Bulgaria.

Here are the figures from today's El Pais about immigration from Romania and Bugaria to other EU countries for 2012 (the latest available).

Basically, there are just over 3 million Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants currently living in other EU countries.

Of these the lion's share are to be found in Italy (1,127,700) and Spain (1,040,000).Germany clocks in at number three (271,800) with the UK fourth (149,000).

The EU discounts a future wave of Romanian and Bulgarian immigration and suggests that those Bulgarians and Rumanians who wanted to emmigrate to other EU countries have already done so.

Needless to say immigration from Romania and Bulgaria is not and never has been a topic of much debate here in Spain.


http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2013/12/28/actualidad/1388246537_697330.html

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Here are the figures from today's El Pais about immigration from Rumania and Bugaria to other EU countries for 2012 (the latest available).

Basically, there are just over 3 million Rumanian and Bulgarian immigrants currently living in other EU countries.

Of these the lion's share are to be found in Italy (1,127,700) and Spain (1,040,000).Germany clocks in at number three (271,800) with the UK fourth (149,000).

The EU discounts a future wave of Rumanian and Bulgarian immigration and suggests that those Bulgarians and Rumanians who wanted to emmigrate to other EU countries have already done so.

Needless to say immigration from Rumania and Bulgaria is not and never has been a topic of much debate here in Spain.


http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2013/12/28/actualidad/1388246537_697330.html

Is it not Romania?

 

[Ricey]

Is it not Romania?

I'm glad someone else asked that as I didn't want to look stupid.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Is it not Romania?

I'm glad someone else asked that as I didn't want to look stupid.

Right you (both) are.It's Rumanos in Spanish (hence my slip).:blush:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

It looks like most British people will welcome Romanians and Bulgarians to the UK,according to this recent poll,"if they integrate and work hard."

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ailblock:Editable trailblock - news:Position2

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

It looks like most British people will welcome Romanians and Bulgarians to the UK,according to this recent poll,"if they integrate and work hard."

I'd go along with that to be honest. There was a lot of fear about Poles coming over a few years back, yet all the ones I've met have been friendly, hard working, and fond of a drink or two. basically, they've pinched the Irish gig.

I think the fear with some other Eastern European countries is that they're coming from a near third world ex-communist state, and therefore will be after all they can get. That said they may just be keen for an opportunity to work for a fair wage. It's one of the good points of the minimum wage, had that not existed they'd be pricing a lot of Brits out of the employment market.

My personal take? If they work hard, integrate, and their women are ok, then I'll be happy for them to come over. They can't be as bad as he population of Newport!

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

I have worked in Sofia for a few months and IT Ought to be a worry, there are some very difficult issues with large sections that exist outside of their own society who will be bigger problems in the UK than either Poles or any other recent EU migrant group.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I have worked in Sofia for a few months and IT Ought to be a worry, there are some very difficult issues with large sections that exist outside of their own society who will be bigger problems in the UK than either Poles or any other recent EU migrant group.

Not unless there is a much larger influx of immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria than in the figures I quoted for 2012,which as I said above (post 25), the EU commission thinks extremely unlikely.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Not unless there is a much larger influx of immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria than in the figures I quoted for 2012,which as I said above (post 25), the EU commission thinks extremely unlikely.

The sections of society I refer to are not in any poll and not amenable to census surveys etc + the borders with Moldova etc are porous and forged documents easy to obtain. After the last Balkan war ended and Kosovans were repatriated 90% who landed at Pristina needed onward travel to their real country of origin be it Albania, Serbia, Fyrom or elsewhere. My understanding and concern comes from history, personal experience and 1st hand knowledge not surveys.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

The sections of society I refer to are not in any poll and not amenable to census surveys etc + the borders with Moldova etc are porous and forged documents easy to obtain. After the last Balkan war ended and Kosovans were repatriated 90% who landed at Pristina needed onward travel to their real country of origin be it Albania, Serbia, Fyrom or elsewhere. My understanding and concern comes from history, personal experience and 1st hand knowledge not surveys.

In post number 25 above, I didn't cite a survey but an article from El Pais, which shows (in 2012) where the 3 million Romanians and Bulgarians currently living in other EU member states are located.

Over 2 million are in Italy and Spain.The numbers in Germany and the UK are much lower.

Nobody that I know in Spain is worried about further mass immigration from Romania and Bulgaria in 2014 onwards.

As the EU commission suggested in the El Pais article, the majority of those Romanians and Bulgarians who wanted to emmigrate,have already done so.

http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2013/12/28/actualidad/1388246537_697330.html