Post-Match Thread and Ratings Southend United 2-1 Scunthorpe United

[shrimperjon]

I don't know- so many sit in the same stadium watch the same game but it's as if actually they are at a multiplex watching different screenings of the same game played a different way (although it appears never with a different result).


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we all see different things. Take our centre back pairing

One made a goal line clearance (fact)
One deliberatly got out of the way of a goal bound shot that put us 1-0 down (fact)
One put us under pressure with several mistakes first half, one didn't (opinion)
One had a 84 % pass completion rate , one didnt (it was a lot worse) (fact)
One if vocal and organising the defence, one isnt (opinion)

quite how some give them the same score is beyond me

How can that be fact? Has Bolger actually been quoted as saying he deliberately got out of the way of the shot. Does that mean that Bentley deliberately let the ball go in because he wasn't positioned quite right? Of course not. Bolger is a solid no nonsense centre back who a few minutes later prevented Scunny scoring a second goal. The only fact here is that unless Bolger has admitted that he did what you say it can be FACT.

 

[FarmdogSUFC]

Alomst agree with this, although would say that Chris Powell still edges him out slightly based on what he later went on to achieve. I had did my dream 11 for the programme on Saturday and it was a hard choice between him and Powell. In the end as Powell is still my all time fav i picked him but did also mention Coker. In saying that we have had some cracking left backs over the last 20 years including the likes of Mulgrew, Harding, Friend all of whom play at a higher level etc

Bit before my time unfortunately. Having seen him play for other teams, and of course England, he probably is the better of the 2 though. Still, Coker could definitely play higher than L1 IMO, the bloke just oozes class.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

The Spooner brothers will be pleased their long journeys were rewarded with a win

Yup.Should have done the lottery or the pools last week too! (Saw Espanyol,Fulham and us win all in the same week).Ours was the only "ugly" win of the lot but I'll take that anytime. :happy:

 

[united we stand]

How can that be fact? Has Bolger actually been quoted as saying he deliberately got out of the way of the shot. Does that mean that Bentley deliberately let the ball go in because he wasn't positioned quite right? Of course not. Bolger is a solid no nonsense centre back who a few minutes later prevented Scunny scoring a second goal. The only fact here is that unless Bolger has admitted that he did what you say it can be FACT.

I make a point of not using the word 'fact' unless I can back it up with evidence. Please watch the highlights. Does he try and move away from the ball- yes/no? Or is it normal to move side wards to make yourself a smaller target when the ball is coming towards you- or does that indicate you are getting out of the way? I explained in a later post why I brought this up, I am not anti Bolger. I don't need Bolger to make a statement, I can use my own eyes- watch the highlights video for evidence.

http://www.skysports.com/football/southend-vs-scunthorpe/report/340188

 

[Rob Noxious]

Yup.Should have done the lottery or the pools last week too! (Saw Espanyol,Fulham and us win all in the same week).Ours was the only "ugly" win of the lot but I'll take that anytime. :happy:

But two fine goals - and three if we can be gracious enough to note MacSheffrey's!

A lovely sunny day at the Hall - and some collective bemusement at young Joe's current haplessness. His confidence appears shot. Felt a bit sorry for him at times as he was trying but he seemed to get worse with every increased effort, including coming back once to help the defence but he ended up playing in their lad who hit the post. Once Worrall switched wings, Coker got more opportunity to get forward and they worked well together before Coker slipped it back for Tims, who set up possession in the first place with his tasty tackle just in their half, and he put it away nicely. The expectation for Hunt's appearance was palpable - his presence does seem to galvanise the players as well as the fans and I think the Scunny defenders were unsettled by him even though he didn't win as many first balls as he would have liked. Pleased about his pivotal role for Coker's goal though - what a beauty! And that reference earlier to Carlos Alberto and the '70 WCF was a nice parallel. He thoroughly deserved that moment. Special mentions for the spine of the team in Bentley, Bolger, Deegan and Mooney, whose different contributions had a positive influence on the outcome of this game which could so easily have gone the other way. And lucky I brought the suntan lotion - it was getting a bit hot on my tender skin in the second half over there in the East Greens and I have consequently come back to Cornwall looking pleasingly bronzed rather than painfully beetroot.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Shame to see Coker need tinhave a dig at the fans. It is ****ing embarrassing some of the things the pop out of people's mouths after a team just scored against us.

Yes but he did praise one section of the fan base (presumably referring to the away support).

Supporters in East Greens didn't seem to fussed when Scunny's goal went in-I can just imagine the reaction in East Reds, though.

 

[Jam_Man]

But two fine goals - and three if we can be gracious enough to note MacSheffrey's!

A lovely sunny day at the Hall - and some collective bemusement at young Joe's current haplessness. His confidence appears shot. Felt a bit sorry for him at times as he was trying but he seemed to get worse with every increased effort, including coming back once to help the defence but he ended up playing in their lad who hit the post. Once Worrall switched wings, Coker got more opportunity to get forward and they worked well together before Coker slipped it back for Tims, who set up possession in the first place with his tasty tackle just in their half, and he put it away nicely. The expectation for Hunt's appearance was palpable - his presence does seem to galvanise the players as well as the fans and I think the Scunny defenders were unsettled by him even though he didn't win as many first balls as he would have liked. Pleased about his pivotal role for Coker's goal though - what a beauty! And that reference earlier to Carlos Alberto and he '70 WCF was a nice parallel. He thoroughly deserved that moment. Special mentions for the spine of the team in Bentley, Bolger, Deegan and Mooney, whose different contributions had a positive influence on the outcome of this game which could so easily have gone the other way. And lucky I brought the suntan lotion - it was getting a bit hot on my tender skin in the second half over there in the East Greens and I have consequently come back to Cornwall looking pleasingly bronzed rather than painfully beetroot.

Indeed, people are saying he doesnt want to be here and isnt working hard, but he looks like he is trying, and trying too hard at times.

He clearly has some ability as he shone when he arrived, but things dont seem to be working for him at the moment.

 

[Feathers]

I see it as a strength. Long may it continue. Its his job to get in the face of the opposition and take a yellow if necessary. If his tackles are to strong for some fans then perhaps they should go and watch Netball on a Saturday.

If you see the ability to lunge in with late tackles and give away needless yellow cards as a strength it really does not say much for the rest of his game.

Good players are able to break up play with strong tackles and get in the face of the opposition without rashly diving in and picking up pointless bookings.

For me, that challenge aside, Deegan looked better on Saturday precisely because he was not charging around like a man possessed and actually played some football. Agression is fine but useless if you are suspended or back in the dressing room.

 

[shrimperjon]

I make a point of not using the word 'fact' unless I can back it up with evidence. Please watch the highlights. Does he try and move away from the ball- yes/no? Or is it normal to move side wards to make yourself a smaller target when the ball is coming towards you- or does that indicate you are getting out of the way? I explained in a later post why I brought this up, I am not anti Bolger. I don't need Bolger to make a statement, I can use my own eyes- watch the highlights video for evidence.

http://www.skysports.com/football/southend-vs-scunthorpe/report/340188

But u r basing your factual comment on what you saw, you cant back it up with personal evidence from the player that he deliberately moved out the way. He would have had a split second to react which is nothing. I doubt he had time to think, i know what i will move out the way so that the opposition can score a goal. I understand your point from the video, but u cant say that he deliberately moved out the way, for me its a split second reaction. Guess we will have to agree to disagree, however, ive not seen anyone else on here suggest that Bolger was responsible for their goal

 

[united we stand]

But u r basing your factual comment on what you saw, you cant back it up with personal evidence from the player that he deliberately moved out the way. He would have had a split second to react which is nothing. I doubt he had time to think, i know what i will move out the way so that the opposition can score a goal. I understand your point from the video, but u cant say that he deliberately moved out the way, for me its a split second reaction. Guess we will have to agree to disagree, however, ive not seen anyone else on here suggest that Bolger was responsible for their goal

OK- take out the word deliberate , I should not have used that word but that wasn't the crux of my point , maybe it was instinct i don't know (although I would have thought for a defender instinct would be to stop the ball, but anyway my main point was he moved out of the way - watch the video and tell me that he doesn't move to get out of the way of the ball ? I have not said at any point that he was responsible for the goal , what I have is that he had an opportunity to potentially stop it- and he didn't attempt to take that opportunity by trying to block the shot.

I hope that is clearer

 

[shrimperjon]

OK- take out the word deliberate , I should not have used that word but that wasn't the crux of my point , maybe it was instinct i don't know (although I would have thought for a defender instinct would be to stop the ball, but anyway my main point was he moved out of the way - watch the video and tell me that he doesn't move to get out of the way of the ball ? I have not said at any point that he was responsible for the goal , what I have is that he had an opportunity to potentially stop it- and he didn't attempt to take that opportunity by trying to block the shot.

I hope that is clearer

Yes that is a fairer assessment i would say. But i guess if you watch football and see goals scored all over the world you will see many many occasions when defenders do or appear to do what Bolger did. Of course he should be stopping it, as a defender thats apart of his job. Its a Bit like people turning their back on a shot or splitting in the wall when they should be standing together etc

 

[Shrimper51]

OK- take out the word deliberate , I should not have used that word but that wasn't the crux of my point , maybe it was instinct i don't know (although I would have thought for a defender instinct would be to stop the ball, but anyway my main point was he moved out of the way - watch the video and tell me that he doesn't move to get out of the way of the ball ? I have not said at any point that he was responsible for the goal , what I have is that he had an opportunity to potentially stop it- and he didn't attempt to take that opportunity by trying to block the shot.

I hope that is clearer

I actually don't think that he moves out of the way at all, I think he turns to see where the ball is going after it passes him. If you look closely the ball isn't really all that close to him.

 

[Jam_Man]

Does look like he jumps out of the way as thinks its going wide to me.

 

[Crawliano]

Does look like he jumps out of the way as thinks its going wide to me.

My thoughts exactly. Jumps, turns expecting it to go out. If he had been in the way, it deflected and they scored from the resultant corner people would be giving him grief.

 

[Zeuss]

My thoughts exactly. Jumps, turns expecting it to go out. If he had been in the way, it deflected and they scored from the resultant corner people would be giving him grief.

Not so much from a resulting corner - a powerful shot going narrowly wide can so easily get deflected to fly past a wrong-footed keeper.

 

[Zeuss]

I think that Deegan has his limitations but overall he played very well yesterday and currently deserves his position in the team.

I cannot believe however that people are condoning his tackle or think that "it was the right thing to do" It was late and he was deservedly booked. I was pretty much in line with the challenge and there was heavy impact on the players ankle which could have caused serious injury. To the credit of Scunthorpe's No.10 he did not make a fuss.

For me this is a weakness in Deegan's game. He was sent of last year at Oxford for 2 rash challenges and late challenges like yesterdays are asking for trouble. The absolute best you can hope for is a yellow card....

You really are talking rubbish re.Deegan-he's a hard-tackling midfielder who wins us a lot of valuable extra possession.Like all good tacklers nowadays he will pick up a few yellow cards,but he's sensible and the two yellows at Oxford,both of which were harsh were THE ONLY TIME HE'S BEEN SENT OFF IN HIS WHOLE CAREER!!!

 

[Blues 'n twos]

Can't understand what all the fuss is about with Deegans challenge, those kind of tackles were 2 a penny when football was played by men and not by "some" lightweights nowadays.
Every team needs, and would love a Deegan :thumbsup:

 

[davew]

Coming back from 1-0 down shows resilience, the lads did well.


Bentley - 7 Quick distribution but sometimes puts Coker under pressure
Coker - 9 had a great game, an assist and a goal.
Prosser - 8 distribution was good, a couple of last ditch tackles, one to get Bolger out of the mire.
Bolger - 6 Won some headers
O'Neill - 6 Didn't win any headers
Timlin - 7 got a goal but until he scored, was a bit confused with how he was playing. If he was supposed to be on the wing, he forgot. Kept being drawn inside, which meant Coker first, then O'Neill had nobody in front of them.
Deegan - 8.5 bossed the game well, won the ball and distributed it well too. Does have a bit of finesse and a fair bit of vision
Leonard - 7 Better than of late but expect more from him. Great through ball to Mooney near the end
Worrall - 6.5 For me, well under par today
Mooney - 7.5 Does a lot of work off the ball. His movement, tenacity and positioning and closing bring others into the game
Pigott - 3 No passion, no desire. I'd send him back and get another youngster in

Subs

Hunt - 8. He will be our saviour this season. The game changed once Hunt came on. Intelligent player with a quick brain. Great link up play with Coker for the 2nd goal

Weston - 5 Didn't really so much at all
Rea - Not enough time to rate

A bit generous (ratings) I think

What about that wonder save in the 2nd half by Bentley

 

[Jam_Man]

A bit generous (ratings) I think

What about that wonder save in the 2nd half by Bentley

Cancelled out by the fumble first half surely.