Post-Match Thread and Ratings Southend United 0-2 Fleetwood Town

[5scoops]

Demetriou (who has often played midfield in the past) could be moved there to accommodate John White at right-back.

Yes I think we would be stronger that side plus Demetriou got a goal in him

 

[Jai]

The most alarming thing was we did not press the ball at all. At one point, 1-0 down, Fleetwood were just invited to knock it around the back and stroll into our half. Cox tried to press but you can't do it alone, you need to hunt in pairs. It doesn't need to be two strikers but in the past Timlin has been excellent at this.

There is no physicality. The midfield of O'Neill, King, Leonard and McLaughlin are just too weak. There's nobody there who's going to let someone know they're in a game. Set pieces are a waste of time going forward and if the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again with the same result, Ryan Leonard's long throws are insane.

We were crying out for someone like Fleetwood's Pond. A right **** but won everything in the air and absolutely shrugged off anyone of our players that dared to challenge him (rare). He's not that good of course, get him turned on the floor and I suspect you've got him, but I think the first time Simon Cox got the ball into his feet in a decent position was 61 minutes in.

Our first shot (over the bar) was on 42 minutes. We didn't have a single shot on target. The players are playing with absolutely zero confidence or belief. There are two clues to this - hiding from wanting the ball and snatching at shots. We did both an awful lot yesterday.

Not the worst I've ever seen, will take something special to top Boston 0-2 in 2003, but it was close.

Four home games, three goals. Two goalkeeping errors and a penalty, and we've rarely looked like creating any actual chances. Most depressing 90 minutes for a while, thank heavens I am missing the next two home games.

 

[Norwichshrimper]

Our first shot (over the bar) was on 42 minutes. We didn't have a single shot on target.

Agree we were absolutely awful, but the pedant in me has to point out we did have a shot on target. O'Neill had one saved at the near post just before half time

 

[Chairman Trigg]

Yesterday again showed our lack of options in midfield,Deegan is a good example of a player with bite in midfield when things are physical or not going your way...so Brown gets rid of the only type of player apart from Timlin who does this role.

The most alarming thing was we did not press the ball at all. At one point, 1-0 down, Fleetwood were just invited to knock it around the back and stroll into our half. Cox tried to press but you can't do it alone, you need to hunt in pairs. It doesn't need to be two strikers but in the past Timlin has been excellent at this.

There is no physicality. The midfield of O'Neill, King, Leonard and McLaughlin are just too weak. There's nobody there who's going to let someone know they're in a game. Set pieces are a waste of time going forward and if the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again with the same result, Ryan Leonard's long throws are insane.

We were crying out for someone like Fleetwood's Pond. A right **** but won everything in the air and absolutely shrugged off anyone of our players that dared to challenge him (rare). He's not that good of course, get him turned on the floor and I suspect you've got him, but I think the first time Simon Cox got the ball into his feet in a decent position was 61 minutes in.

Our first shot (over the bar) was on 42 minutes. We didn't have a single shot on target. The players are playing with absolutely zero confidence or belief. There are two clues to this - hiding from wanting the ball and snatching at shots. We did both an awful lot yesterday.

Not the worst I've ever seen, will take something special to top Boston 0-2 in 2003, but it was close.

Four home games, three goals. Two goalkeeping errors and a penalty, and we've rarely looked like creating any actual chances. Most depressing 90 minutes for a while, thank heavens I am missing the next two home games.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Yesterday again showed our lack of options in midfield,Deegan is a good example of a player with bite in midfield when things are physical or not going your way...so Brown gets rid of the only type of player apart from Timlin who does this role.

Can we get over this? Deegan demanded assurances re appearance, Brown wasn't prepared to give him those - Timlin should always be first choice, so Deegan went.

 

[Chairman Trigg]

If thats the case then where's the cover for Timlin ,just highlights how Brown at the end of last season badly let the club down due to the Bolton job .An injury to Leonard would now show just how poor our midfield is and how limited our present options areQUOTE=OldBlueLady;1891081]Can we get over this? Deegan demanded assurances re appearance, Brown wasn't prepared to give him those - Timlin should always be first choice, so Deegan went.[/QUOTE]

 

[Tommy2holes]

The best part of Saturday is that I was just getting past the Harry on London road as the final whistle went on the radio.

 

[rigsby]

The best part of Saturday is that I was just getting past the Harry on London road as the final whistle went on the radio.

Hope you were booing loudly at the radio.

 

[Swiss Tony]

Hope you were booing loudly at the radio.

I think the two commentators had that covered.

 

[Kevin Hogg]

Atrocious!

 

[Bearded Shrimper]

The most alarming thing was we did not press the ball at all. At one point, 1-0 down, Fleetwood were just invited to knock it around the back and stroll into our half. Cox tried to press but you can't do it alone, you need to hunt in pairs. It doesn't need to be two strikers but in the past Timlin has been excellent at this.

There is no physicality. The midfield of O'Neill, King, Leonard and McLaughlin are just too weak. There's nobody there who's going to let someone know they're in a game. Set pieces are a waste of time going forward and if the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again with the same result, Ryan Leonard's long throws are insane.

We were crying out for someone like Fleetwood's Pond. A right **** but won everything in the air and absolutely shrugged off anyone of our players that dared to challenge him (rare). He's not that good of course, get him turned on the floor and I suspect you've got him, but I think the first time Simon Cox got the ball into his feet in a decent position was 61 minutes in.

Our first shot (over the bar) was on 42 minutes. We didn't have a single shot on target. The players are playing with absolutely zero confidence or belief. There are two clues to this - hiding from wanting the ball and snatching at shots. We did both an awful lot yesterday.

Not the worst I've ever seen, will take something special to top Boston 0-2 in 2003, but it was close.

Four home games, three goals. Two goalkeeping errors and a penalty, and we've rarely looked like creating any actual chances. Most depressing 90 minutes for a while, thank heavens I am missing the next two home games.

absolutely this, excellent match report.

we couldn't even close them down and didn't do anything when we had it. i swear Barrett touched the ball more than anyone else for us, followed probably by Thompson

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Is Brown the answer? Well I don't think we will get anyone higher profile and he is a decent manager with great contacts which has and will help us.

He may have great contacts, but is he wearing them in the wrong eyes as they don't appear to be much use at the moment?

 

[mfurok]

I'm in Tallinn..:hello:

(Though I may not be PB's staunchest supporter).

Lucky you.

 

[mfurok]

I don't think I have ever watched a Southend team with so little confidence, ideas or worst of all, passion. Not just passion for the club but for the game its self. It was pitiful. That was my sons second game, sorry lad, sorry.

.......and I took my nine year old grandson who is a regular and he brought a mate who had previously watched Yeovil but never been to the Blues before. I'm expecting the knock from Social Services any minute.......

 

[mfurok]

Not sure about getting rid... it will only be a short term fix.

We're not going to get anyone better than Brown.

Thanks for making me laugh.

 

[Medway Blue]

Not sure about getting rid... it will only be a short term fix.

We're not going to get anyone better than Brown.

How exactly are you measuring/defining "better" when it comes to replacing Brown? You're obviously using very different criteria to mine.

 

[Rattus Norvegicus]

How exactly are you measuring/defining "better" when it comes to replacing Brown? You're obviously using very different criteria to mine.

I'm being careful not to specify a pro or anti-Brown stance ......... but I reckon that there are a bucket load of managers/candidates out there who may (or with time, may not) be rather good for Southend United.

I might be wrong but I would suspect that there would be 30+ names coming forward were Ron to take out an advert for a new manager in The Big Issue next week.

 

[Medway Blue]

I'm being careful not to specify a pro or anti-Brown stance ......... but I reckon that there are a bucket load of managers/candidates out there who may (or with time, may not) be rather good for Southend United.

I might be wrong but I would suspect that there would be 30+ names coming forward were Ron to take out an advert for a new manager in The Big Issue next week.

I just can't get my head around people saying we can't do better than Phil Brown, and I'm struggling to see what some people would see as being "better".

Yes he has Prem experience, a media reputation and some contacts, but at the moment that's not what we need. What we need is something as basic as you can get from a football manager - the ability to endear himself to his squad, to get them on his side, to make them want to play for him, to be able to motivate them and allow them to play their football with freedom and smiles on their faces. Basic human qualities.

That is how I'd gauge a new manager as "better" than Brown.....nothing particularly technical. And honest to God, I really don't think that finding someone who is "better" in these areas would be difficult.

In a nutshell, I don't quite see how anyone can think we can't do any better when it's clear to see that Brown has lost the dressing room. How on earth can we not do any better than that right now?


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[Yorkshire Blue]

I just can't get my head around people saying we can't do better than Phil Brown, and I'm struggling to see what some people would see as being "better".

Yes he has Prem experience, a media reputation and some contacts, but at the moment that's not what we need. What we need is something as basic as you can get from a football manager - the ability to endear himself to his squad, to get them on his side, to make them want to play for him, to be able to motivate them and allow them to play their football with freedom and smiles on their faces. Basic human qualities.

That is how I'd gauge a new manager as "better" than Brown.....nothing particularly technical. And honest to God, I really don't think that finding someone who is "better" in these areas would be difficult.

In a nutshell, I don't quite see how anyone can think we can't do any better when it's clear to see that Brown has lost the dressing room. How on earth can we not do any better than that right now?


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And a plan for how we are going to play and what attributes signings need to have rather than the keep rolling the dice approach that Brown is using.

 

[fbm]

How exactly are you measuring/defining "better" when it comes to replacing Brown? You're obviously using very different criteria to mine.

Interesting point actually.

Will we get a higher profile manager with a contact network such as Brown's, which is one that is going to potentially attract better players to the team?

Probably not.

As you say, "better" has a whole range of meanings.

I think any change now will be a short term fix. Someone else could certainly get better results, but whether they would get them with this group of players, and bearing in mind the window shuts tomorrow, I don't know.

Personally, I think we need to see what happens when Brown has a full squad.

Revisit the situation in December I think.