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Post-Match Thread and Ratings Southend United 0-2 Crewe
davewebbsbrain
Webby⭐🦐
Prosser was *****, ref was *****....that is all
Ayrshire Blue
The Custard Splat
Awful, just awful.
Medway Blue
Trust chairman/glutton for punishment ⭐🦐
What a load of ****ing ****.
I'm not going to bother with individual player ratings because it not the individual performances that I'm concerened about. It's the team set-up and the managerial performance which frightens the crap out of me.
What the hell is Sturrock playing at? We're at home to a side that we could and should be taking 3 points from.......and the idiot goes with a 3-5-2. What the hell is a 3-5-2? When the feck have we played that this season? Why is that being played at home? There was no width there and there was no attacking play - in fact, he's left the player with the most flair and attacking intent, Ryan Hall, on the bench! Does he not want to win these games?
These players, individually, are good at this level and the team man-for-man is good enough to be challenging for the play-offs. But they ARE League 2 players. Yet Sturrock is expecting too much of them. If they were good enough to be played out of position and to be playing in a different formation every bloody week, they'd be playing higher up the league. They've only just started getting to know each other for Christ's sake.....why doesn't the man get the bleeding basics right before he starts ****ing about with the tactics? The amount of people on here who said "Sturrock is so tactically astute, Sturrock will know how to set the tactics up, waaa waaaa waaaaaaaaaa". My arse. He's about as tactically astute as a ****.
3-5-2.....they haven't played it before this season, it offers no width, and it's too negative when we should be playing 4-4-2 and going hell for leather at home. He's left one of the best flair players in the side on the bench when he should be on the pitch from the start running at them. Ugh, I could go on. This side is going nowhere this season with him in charge. The players are good, but the tactics and style of play stifle them.
Fairhurst, for God's sake. Looks like an aimless **** on the pitch. He's not. He is a great finisher, he's good with the ball at his feet, and he's got pace to burn. He needs to be running on to the ball or running with the ball at his feet at defenders. So why, when you have a player like that, does Sturrock persist in having the side play the long ball? Fairhurst could score goals for fun at this level, so what's the point of bringing him in on loan if you're not going to have the team play to his strengths? You don't bring in a player like that and try to fit him into tactics like that.
Support your club whoever is in charge, blah blah, yeah I get it. But it is becoming more of a chore to watch this dross with each passing week. Bad, bad, bad management. I want him gone, and I want him to take his **** tactics and his nasty style of football with him.
I'm not going to bother with individual player ratings because it not the individual performances that I'm concerened about. It's the team set-up and the managerial performance which frightens the crap out of me.
What the hell is Sturrock playing at? We're at home to a side that we could and should be taking 3 points from.......and the idiot goes with a 3-5-2. What the hell is a 3-5-2? When the feck have we played that this season? Why is that being played at home? There was no width there and there was no attacking play - in fact, he's left the player with the most flair and attacking intent, Ryan Hall, on the bench! Does he not want to win these games?
These players, individually, are good at this level and the team man-for-man is good enough to be challenging for the play-offs. But they ARE League 2 players. Yet Sturrock is expecting too much of them. If they were good enough to be played out of position and to be playing in a different formation every bloody week, they'd be playing higher up the league. They've only just started getting to know each other for Christ's sake.....why doesn't the man get the bleeding basics right before he starts ****ing about with the tactics? The amount of people on here who said "Sturrock is so tactically astute, Sturrock will know how to set the tactics up, waaa waaaa waaaaaaaaaa". My arse. He's about as tactically astute as a ****.
3-5-2.....they haven't played it before this season, it offers no width, and it's too negative when we should be playing 4-4-2 and going hell for leather at home. He's left one of the best flair players in the side on the bench when he should be on the pitch from the start running at them. Ugh, I could go on. This side is going nowhere this season with him in charge. The players are good, but the tactics and style of play stifle them.
Fairhurst, for God's sake. Looks like an aimless **** on the pitch. He's not. He is a great finisher, he's good with the ball at his feet, and he's got pace to burn. He needs to be running on to the ball or running with the ball at his feet at defenders. So why, when you have a player like that, does Sturrock persist in having the side play the long ball? Fairhurst could score goals for fun at this level, so what's the point of bringing him in on loan if you're not going to have the team play to his strengths? You don't bring in a player like that and try to fit him into tactics like that.
Support your club whoever is in charge, blah blah, yeah I get it. But it is becoming more of a chore to watch this dross with each passing week. Bad, bad, bad management. I want him gone, and I want him to take his **** tactics and his nasty style of football with him.
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Medway Blue
Trust chairman/glutton for punishment ⭐🦐
I thought Herd played quite well today actually. Paterson got no service. Fairhurst didn't either, but then the style of football that is being played means that the game just bypasses him anyway.
The one thing I'll say about Paterson is that he hides. He has no bravery so won't stretch our throw himself at an incoming cross. He needs it on a plate every time. And every time a long ball comes towards him, he positions himself behind the defender, who, being ahead of him, gets to it every time. Very frustrating.
I personally thought the tactics were wrong from the off. It screamed negativity and the performance matched it with bells on.
Ok, Crewe are free scoring. But **** me do not run scared of them. Their defence is as much of a mess as our's and being at home, I feel we should be taking the game to them. But no, we invited them on right from the off and they picked up their first away win of the season (Making a habit of that aren't we) with ease.
The players cannot escape blame though. They were to a man, totally ****ing awful. This shambolic showing almost matched the Port Vale and Morecambe debacles.
Yes, the ref was a c-unit but he was not to blame for the overall shower of **** we witnessed today.
We have seen too many performances like that already this season and it is not acceptable on any level.
The one positive is we pulled in over 5,500 again. But this dross continues and what with xmas around the corner, then we can rattle about even more with crowds under the 4,500 mark...
The whole club needs a big lift. These are depressing times and those at the top need to start talking positively. Otherwise the fantastic fan base that has been built over the last 5 or 6 years, will continue staying away, maybe for good.
Ok, Crewe are free scoring. But **** me do not run scared of them. Their defence is as much of a mess as our's and being at home, I feel we should be taking the game to them. But no, we invited them on right from the off and they picked up their first away win of the season (Making a habit of that aren't we) with ease.
The players cannot escape blame though. They were to a man, totally ****ing awful. This shambolic showing almost matched the Port Vale and Morecambe debacles.
Yes, the ref was a c-unit but he was not to blame for the overall shower of **** we witnessed today.
We have seen too many performances like that already this season and it is not acceptable on any level.
The one positive is we pulled in over 5,500 again. But this dross continues and what with xmas around the corner, then we can rattle about even more with crowds under the 4,500 mark...
The whole club needs a big lift. These are depressing times and those at the top need to start talking positively. Otherwise the fantastic fan base that has been built over the last 5 or 6 years, will continue staying away, maybe for good.
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South Bank Hank
⭐⭐🦐
Very poor against an equally poor Crewe. League 2 really is appallingly ****!!
What is it that makes footballers think the long ball up to two of the shortest players on the pitch against two of the largest is a good idea? Seriously, it's not that friggin' difficult, is it!? When we finally managed to get the balls wide to Herd and Hall we looked like we had a chance.
Our back-up defence is woefully lacking in quality.
What is it that makes footballers think the long ball up to two of the shortest players on the pitch against two of the largest is a good idea? Seriously, it's not that friggin' difficult, is it!? When we finally managed to get the balls wide to Herd and Hall we looked like we had a chance.
Our back-up defence is woefully lacking in quality.
Swiss Tony
End of the pier show ⭐⭐🦐
Blimey that was poor today,i'm getting bad feelings about all thats happening right now.
Pak Power
Manager⭐🦐
Well...... Here goes for the pringello. Not much to say really. We started 3-5-2 (which more often than not looked 5 at the back) which you would think would make us look solid but we were too deep, and at home it looked very negative. When we went behind we reverted to 4-4-2 after the substitutions which at least made us look a bit positive, but why when you are a goal down? This was a home fixture against Crewe !! (no offence this was not Leeds or Southampton etc..)
Morris 5- Shaky (lucky with penalty (that never was) then poor distribution. No one was winning any headers up top so why not roll it out? At fault for their second flapped and only succeeded in pushing it out to their striker.
Clohessey 6.5 Looked ok first half but was closed down second half.
Prosser 5. Shaky especially at the start, when the back 5 (yes) looked like they didn't know each other. Got booked, and looked better when in the opponents box than ours!
Coughlan 6.5 No nonsense, but he doesn't like the ball at his feet, coming out of defence.
Barker 6. Looked unsure of the formation, and the chaos early on around him. Again poor distribution looking to hoof!
Herd 6. Looked better on the ball than most of the back 5 (then 4) but throw in's aside not much else, and should have just cleared the ball away/into touch for their second goal, he was at fault.
Timlin 6. Does one good thing followed by two bad.
Grant 6.5 probably just our man of the match, had one close effort, and looked good on the ball, but a bit lazy at times off it.
Soares 5. took the wrong option a lot of the time, easily brushed off the ball. Looked like he didn't know the formation, and his job.
Paterson 5. Didn't win much against their number 5 who I thought was very uncomprimising. Got caught on the wrong side of him too often. Needs to learn.
Fairhurst 5. Fail to see what he brings to the party.
Subs.
Hall 6. Looked more dangerous (without too many end products) in ten minutes, than the rest of them.
Crawford 5.5 Bullied off the ball too easily.
Jarvis Too late to coment.
Blue voice 9 If nothing I could hear the MARTIN OUT chants from the east. (wonder how many more performances like this before this goes around the ground)
Ref 3. Clueless.. Never a pen. Drop balls in the wrong places. Very fussey.
Sturrock 2. Why oh why 5 at the back at home???
Me 2. Left as the board went up, and couldn't even get angry when we conceded. I am losing interest.
Morris 5- Shaky (lucky with penalty (that never was) then poor distribution. No one was winning any headers up top so why not roll it out? At fault for their second flapped and only succeeded in pushing it out to their striker.
Clohessey 6.5 Looked ok first half but was closed down second half.
Prosser 5. Shaky especially at the start, when the back 5 (yes) looked like they didn't know each other. Got booked, and looked better when in the opponents box than ours!
Coughlan 6.5 No nonsense, but he doesn't like the ball at his feet, coming out of defence.
Barker 6. Looked unsure of the formation, and the chaos early on around him. Again poor distribution looking to hoof!
Herd 6. Looked better on the ball than most of the back 5 (then 4) but throw in's aside not much else, and should have just cleared the ball away/into touch for their second goal, he was at fault.
Timlin 6. Does one good thing followed by two bad.
Grant 6.5 probably just our man of the match, had one close effort, and looked good on the ball, but a bit lazy at times off it.
Soares 5. took the wrong option a lot of the time, easily brushed off the ball. Looked like he didn't know the formation, and his job.
Paterson 5. Didn't win much against their number 5 who I thought was very uncomprimising. Got caught on the wrong side of him too often. Needs to learn.
Fairhurst 5. Fail to see what he brings to the party.
Subs.
Hall 6. Looked more dangerous (without too many end products) in ten minutes, than the rest of them.
Crawford 5.5 Bullied off the ball too easily.
Jarvis Too late to coment.
Blue voice 9 If nothing I could hear the MARTIN OUT chants from the east. (wonder how many more performances like this before this goes around the ground)
Ref 3. Clueless.. Never a pen. Drop balls in the wrong places. Very fussey.
Sturrock 2. Why oh why 5 at the back at home???
Me 2. Left as the board went up, and couldn't even get angry when we conceded. I am losing interest.
Medway Blue
Trust chairman/glutton for punishment ⭐🦐
Absolutely. I can see where you're coming from. But at the end of the day, as I said, the **** tactics that useless Sturrock is playing are completely stifling the players. Not only that, but it's confusing them. These guys are League 2 footballers for a reason - they're not good enough or intelligent on the pitch enough to have to keep dealing with the manager's tactical tinkering week-in-week-out. Half of them didn't seem to know what they were doing or where they were playing today, and that showed in the way that they played, but the manager has to take the blame for that.
As I said in my previous post, he seriously needs to get the side gelled and settled and to get the basics right before he starts ****ing about with tactics and weighing them down with a tonne of tactical info. They are good players at this level. Just let them go out there and play their game, let them express themselves and enjoy their football, rather than putting the tactical shackles on.
TrevorFitzpatrickHattrick
Prolific Striker⭐🦐
Tactically appalling. Why start messing around with formations unless you're comfortable the players can handle it? Became obvious that our stifling tactics weren't going to work early on so why didn't he change it? Suicidal to play that way at home against any side in this league. Ineffective hoofball from start to finish and if Prosser represents the depth we have in the squad, we're in trouble...
Lord Football
Blues on Tour
I'd pretty much agree with the assessment of the players. Once again we go a goal down and give up. Absolutely no fire or passion to get back into the game. It seems to be a regular thing this season. Though, I do have to say Crewe were a pleasure to watch.
A word on Timlin. He can clearly play, but needs to dumb his game down. Too many clever balls to people who don't read the game as well as he does, so they don't move for it. And Prosser... oh dear.
As for the ref, drop balls were in the right place (it is where it is when he blows the whistle) and it was a stonewall penalty (probably had one of the best views in the house). Still a fussy sod though.
mattytheshrimper
Members
morris - 6.5 thought he did well first half, not sure what happened with the 2nd goal.looked ddodgy though
herd - 5 really wanted him to do well but just didnt look up to it. was at fault of giving ball away for their 2nd goal, on te odd occasion looked good going forward but not to good at the back
coughlan - 4 not a good game either. hoof after hoof. hasnt got the legs
barker - 6 did ok, oly one who look remotely up for it
prosser - 2 hoof hoof hoof hoof
clohessy - 6.5 did ok, good going forward
grant - 4 very dissappointed with grant today, looked like he didnt care
soares - 2.5 terrible player
timlin - 5 he did try hard but he passed a lot without looking up, gave the ball away but at least he did put a bit of effort in
paterson - 3 he annoyed me today kept turning away from headers, did nothing else
fairweather - 0 not worth a mark
hall - 6.5 looked a bright spark when he came on, final ball let him down but we came more into the game once he came on
crawford - 6 tried hard but didnt come off for him
jarvis - 6 did ok when he came on. looked good
herd - 5 really wanted him to do well but just didnt look up to it. was at fault of giving ball away for their 2nd goal, on te odd occasion looked good going forward but not to good at the back
coughlan - 4 not a good game either. hoof after hoof. hasnt got the legs
barker - 6 did ok, oly one who look remotely up for it
prosser - 2 hoof hoof hoof hoof
clohessy - 6.5 did ok, good going forward
grant - 4 very dissappointed with grant today, looked like he didnt care
soares - 2.5 terrible player
timlin - 5 he did try hard but he passed a lot without looking up, gave the ball away but at least he did put a bit of effort in
paterson - 3 he annoyed me today kept turning away from headers, did nothing else
fairweather - 0 not worth a mark
hall - 6.5 looked a bright spark when he came on, final ball let him down but we came more into the game once he came on
crawford - 6 tried hard but didnt come off for him
jarvis - 6 did ok when he came on. looked good
davewebbsbrain
Webby⭐🦐
I think Sturrock played 3-5-2 to counteract Crewe's system, there have been 22 goals in the last 3 Crewe games. It didn't work tho.
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I thought Timlin was the pick of our players first half then got sucked into the same mediocrity as his teammates. As far as I'm concerned the can stops with the manager. It was apparent bY HT that 3-5-2 wasn't working. Negativity at home wins no awards from me. By the time we switched it apathy had already set in. The fans, as they always do, will get behind a team that is a) performing or b) is putting the effort in even when the performance is shabby. **** poor long high ball against a number 5 that must have thought Christmas has come early.
Hold your hands up Sturrock that was awful and you got it all wrong.
Hold your hands up Sturrock that was awful and you got it all wrong.
davewebbsbrain
Webby⭐🦐
No idea which game you were watching but Grant looked like one of the only ones that were trying. He was everywhere, fighting for every ball he could.
Shrimp Curry
Youth Team
Sturrock got it wrong big time today.
Herd is lightweight and although he played ok going forward he can't defend and was at fault twice for the second goal.
Prosser is awful, seen him play twice and he is potentially the worse defender I've seen in 20 years of following Southend.
Those people singing Martin out at the end were a total embarrassment for singing Martin out.
Herd is lightweight and although he played ok going forward he can't defend and was at fault twice for the second goal.
Prosser is awful, seen him play twice and he is potentially the worse defender I've seen in 20 years of following Southend.
Those people singing Martin out at the end were a total embarrassment for singing Martin out.
shrimpercats
Newbie
This game was lost before a ball was kicked. The players are incapable of playing this formation - there was no cohesion, no team pattern , in short nobody knew what they were supposed to be doing (or, if they did, they aren't good enough to carry it out). Sturrock opted to line up against the free-scoring Crewe with the same defence which caved into Port Vale + Johnny Herd! Good grief - we got what we deserved.
Ratings :-
Morris - 5 - OK apart from the second goal, but has to take the major blame for that.
Clohessy - 6 - not as comfortable as usual, but the best of the back 5.
Coughlan - 3 - dodgy for both goals and his distribution was horrendous.
Prosser - 2 - almost as bad as against Port Vale. Not League quality.
Barker - 4 - his poorest game for us.
Herd - 4- a couple of decent crosses, but woeful defending and gave the ball away too often.
Soares - 4- runs around a lot, but neither creative nor productive.
Timlin - 5 - a mixture of the good and bad, but never protects the defence like Easton.
Grant - 7 - Our only hope today. Our best player by a country mile.
Paterson - 2 - I never want to see him again in a Southend shirt. I can always forgive limited ability, but not a lack of effort. I hold him responsible for the first goal when he failed to challenge for a ball played into the centre circle and that was typical of his approach all game.
Fairhurst - 1- Can't give him more than that. An absolute waste of space and an incredible miss at 0-0. Sturrock's ventures into the loan market don't look very inspiring.
Subs:-
Crawford - 5 - added a bit of endeavour, but got no service.
Hall - 7- Brought some pace and guile to the proceedings. Should have started.
Jarvis - 4 - still haven't seen anything from this lad. Send him back to Cardiff.
Ratings :-
Morris - 5 - OK apart from the second goal, but has to take the major blame for that.
Clohessy - 6 - not as comfortable as usual, but the best of the back 5.
Coughlan - 3 - dodgy for both goals and his distribution was horrendous.
Prosser - 2 - almost as bad as against Port Vale. Not League quality.
Barker - 4 - his poorest game for us.
Herd - 4- a couple of decent crosses, but woeful defending and gave the ball away too often.
Soares - 4- runs around a lot, but neither creative nor productive.
Timlin - 5 - a mixture of the good and bad, but never protects the defence like Easton.
Grant - 7 - Our only hope today. Our best player by a country mile.
Paterson - 2 - I never want to see him again in a Southend shirt. I can always forgive limited ability, but not a lack of effort. I hold him responsible for the first goal when he failed to challenge for a ball played into the centre circle and that was typical of his approach all game.
Fairhurst - 1- Can't give him more than that. An absolute waste of space and an incredible miss at 0-0. Sturrock's ventures into the loan market don't look very inspiring.
Subs:-
Crawford - 5 - added a bit of endeavour, but got no service.
Hall - 7- Brought some pace and guile to the proceedings. Should have started.
Jarvis - 4 - still haven't seen anything from this lad. Send him back to Cardiff.
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