Some Possible Good News Soon?

[EastLondonShrimper]

The defenders will fall over in awe of his hair!

Leaving Laurent to fire over from 4 yards!

 

[chapperzUK]

Leaving Laurent to fire over from 4 yards!

He'll run away from it instead and leave it for walker to miss the ball completely.

 

[McNasty]

Why is it always demanded, that a poster states his\her source? If I came on here to give a bit of information I heard from someone and told you the source name, and then that person then finds out I have been blabbing information on the forums, he\she's not going to give me anymore information, thus cutting my own information stream from my source.

As long as people pre-post with "I've heard that....", or "From what my sources tell me....", you can just take it with a pinch of salt as we all would.

There's hardly going to be links to information that has been said verbally, so not much point in that either...

Sources can be reliable or unreliable, it doesn't mean that people should stop coming on here if they have heard things from within the club....

The problem that we have had on the Zone is, that for a long time, some people find it quite funny to post "I have heard from a reliable source" threads which are total dross and the last thing we want and need are 25 threads all rubbish. No-one has to divulge exactly who told them the news but , rather than "my grand-mother plays golf with Tilly's Auntie", it would better if the source was hinted at --- we don't want anyone getting into grief with their bosses or friends etc.

 

[chapperzUK]

Why is it always demanded, that a poster states his\her source? If I came on here to give a bit of information I heard from someone and told you the source name, and then that person then finds out I have been blabbing information on the forums, he\she's not going to give me anymore information, thus cutting my own information stream from my source.

As long as people pre-post with "I've heard that....", or "From what my sources tell me....", you can just take it with a pinch of salt as we all would.

There's hardly going to be links to information that has been said verbally, so not much point in that either...

Sources can be reliable or unreliable, it doesn't mean that people should stop coming on here if they have heard things from within the club....

Just say that you heard it from a reliable friend. Most people on here make up a load of bollocks and then decline to say where they got their source or make up something stupid (my friend's brother is a taxi driver and he just went to london to pick up Dervite and Stanislas and is now off to Roots Hall blah blah blah)

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Why is it always demanded, that a poster states his\her source? If I came on here to give a bit of information I heard from someone and told you the source name, and then that person then finds out I have been blabbing information on the forums, he\she's not going to give me anymore information, thus cutting my own information stream from my source.

As long as people pre-post with "I've heard that....", or "From what my sources tell me....", you can just take it with a pinch of salt as we all would.

There's hardly going to be links to information that has been said verbally, so not much point in that either...

Sources can be reliable or unreliable, it doesn't mean that people should stop coming on here if they have heard things from within the club....

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it you who stated you had a "source" within the club who knew that Freddy Eastwood was coming on loan in a swap deal with Barnard?
Hope you don't mind if I don't get too excited by what I read on fans forums.

 

[Thorpe Groyney]

You mean this?

http://www.shrimperzone.com/vb/showthread.php?t=56368


The good news is that if I have a 'proper' rumour, it will have come from Steve Tilson, as he's a semi-regular visitor to Basildon United, so it will be a 99.9% cast iron certainty.

The bad news is that I never speak to him about Southend United, but about when I tried to kick lumps out of him when he played for Bromfords School, so the chances of me remembering any juicy bit of club gossip is minimal.

 

[superblue24]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it you who stated you had a "source" within the club who knew that Freddy Eastwood was coming on loan in a swap deal with Barnard?
Hope you don't mind if I don't get too excited by what I read on fans forums.

No correction required, that was me.

Our source was and is a reliable one (member of the board)

I dont speak to this source on a very regular basis, so what may have been true in mid-December (or whenever I posted), could have been out of date the very next day, or it might have been a few weeks later when Eastwood started banging them in for Coventry.

We subsequently heard that Coventry were interested in Barnard, and knew at that point that Eastwood was not getting much first team football.

One thing I have learnt is that football is a very changeable, fast moving environment where one mans truth is another mans nonsense 24 hours later.

I will continue to share my information, but I don't post stuff for "fun", or to prompt a reaction. I have only so far posted that one snippet I heard, and it didn't happen.....I haven't posted other rumours since then, as I have not spoken to my contact since Decmeber....

I won't ever reveal my source, nor hint more than I already have done as you never know who is reading. I always take what I have been told with a pinch of salt and encourage those I am passing informationn onto to do the same.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

I wonder where you got this information from, if we are to believe that there is in fact good news then maybe a source or a link would be more convincing. I have read too many statements this season stating 'good news', most if not all have been unfounded. UTB

What difference would it make? He isn't promising that this is going to happen, he's raising a possibility and then asking some highly pertinent questions based on that possibility.

Saying something is "100% FACT" doesn't necessarily make it any truer. If anything, I'm more likely to believe a rumour that is couched in more guarded terms. The bigger claims to the veracity of a statement, the more likely it is to be not true.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

I will continue to share my information, but I don't post stuff for "fun", or to prompt a reaction. I have only so far posted that one snippet I heard, and it didn't happen.....I haven't posted other rumours since then, as I have not spoken to my contact since Decmeber....

I won't ever reveal my source, nor hint more than I already have done as you never know who is reading. I always take what I have been told with a pinch of salt and encourage those I am passing informationn onto to do the same.[/quote]

Please tell me this is a joke?

 

[Clinton Baptiste]

The only good news will be some decent signings in the next week.

 

[McNasty]

The only good news will be some decent signings in the next week.

Is that fact, rumour or your opinion ? ;)

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I've heard rumours that Lionel Messi is attracted by Adventure Island and the very, very long pleasure pier.

La Sagrada Familia pales in comparison....[/QUOTE]

Oh no it doesn't .:)

 

[EastLondonShrimper]

I've heard rumours that Lionel Messi is attracted by Adventure Island and the very, very long pleasure pier.

La Sagrada Familia pales in comparison....[/QUOTE]

Oh no it doesn't .:)

Isn't the panto season out? ;)

 

[superblue24]

I will continue to share my information, but I don't post stuff for "fun", or to prompt a reaction. I have only so far posted that one snippet I heard, and it didn't happen.....I haven't posted other rumours since then, as I have not spoken to my contact since Decmeber....

I won't ever reveal my source, nor hint more than I already have done as you never know who is reading. I always take what I have been told with a pinch of salt and encourage those I am passing informationn onto to do the same

Please tell me this is a joke?

Whatever floats your boat, fella :unsure:

 

[londonblue]

The last few months have been a very depressing time to be a Blues fan with all the financial uncertainty hanging over the club with the threats of possible liquidation/administration. Things are clearly still far from perfect. However, it's possible that things may be about to change.

I hear that the club's owners may have finally accepted that they can't finance the move to FF alone and have been looking to outside money to help make it happen. Apparently wealthy fans have been having talks to help fund the new development. Let's hope they come on board. If all works out well, building work at FF could start very soon.

This could be fantastic news if it happens. I personally don't care whether or not Ron Martin or anyone else makes loads of money out of the club's move and the development project. What I DO care about is whether the club has a sustainable long-term future.

If the move and building work does actually proceed, there are still key questions that we need to have answers to (and which have not yet been answered). They are:

1 What does it really mean financially for the club? And I mean no more spin and wishy-washy comments; facts please.
2 Will the club have to pay rent?
3 If so, how much and when?
4 What will happen to the rent and other monies that have been "lent" during the last few years which the club has not yet had to pay - will that finally be written off or will the club have to pay that?
5 If the club has to pay it back, on what terms?
6 Will the club have a legal entitlement to receive a share of the ancillary revenues (eg from the hotel, shops, etc)?
7 If so, how much and on what legal basis (if the club is just another tenant and does not own the land)?
8 Most importantly, how will the club's long-term financial future be enshrined, so that the club has a ground to play in, rent-free and with rights to the ancillary revenues - all for many many years to come?

I hope that if a long-standing fan comes on board then these things will be sorted for the club's long-term benefit, but it would be good for these questions all to be answered properly.

I have been critical about the lack of genuine openness surrounding the club's long-term future and have asked questions that have not previously been answered, but I hope this changes very soon and that this will encourage the fans to keep faith and coming to the club, which would surely be a win-win situation for everyone.

That is indeed good news if it turns out to be true. One question I do have is that in previous posts you have bemoaned the fact that the only person who stands to gain from this development is RM, and not SUFC. So now that he is sharing this wealth with other people it's all OK? The fact that is doesn't change SUFCs involvement, the only difference is that RM is diluting his share.

 

[Mick]

That is indeed good news if it turns out to be true. One question I do have is that in previous posts you have bemoaned the fact that the only person who stands to gain from this development is RM, and not SUFC. So now that he is sharing this wealth with other people it's all OK? The fact that is doesn't change SUFCs involvement, the only difference is that RM is diluting his share.

I don't think so; he's still asking the same crucial questions.

 

[londonblue]

That is indeed good news if it turns out to be true. One question I do have is that in previous posts you have bemoaned the fact that the only person who stands to gain from this development is RM, and not SUFC. So now that he is sharing this wealth with other people it's all OK? The fact that is doesn't change SUFCs involvement, the only difference is that RM is diluting his share.

I don't think so; he's still asking the same crucial questions.

Really? This seems to be a bit of a u-turn?

I personally don't care whether or not Ron Martin or anyone else makes loads of money out of the club's move

 

[ElstreeBlue]

Really? This seems to be a bit of a u-turn?

As Mick says, I'm still asking the same questions. I don't care who is in charge. The questions remain the same. They have not yet been answered but still need to be. My change in feelings is that I hope that if any long-standing fans ever have a financial interest in the stadium operating company they'd at least want to look after the long-term interests of the club.

It's not black and white - ie it's either Ron Martin makes 100% of the profits or SUFC makes 100% of the profits. It would be totally unrealistic for the fans to expect the club to get 100% of the profits from the new development. I'm happy for investors (including Ron Martin) to make a return on their investment, as long as SUFC is not screwed and gets a fair share of the benefits. Given that the landowners would make £0 profit from the development if there was no club at the time they want the development to be built, I think it would be very fair for the club not to have to pay rent and to get some reasonable percentage of the profits since the club is the vehicle to enable the property developers to make their money. I know we've been given wishy-washy statements to indicate this may happen, but it's all been carefully worded and we can read into the official statements as we want.

Maybe the club's chairman can pin down and agree things with the landowner to make sure the club gets the best possible deal.....

I hope that clarifies what I think we should reasonably want to happen.

 

[southend4ever]

Chris Powell and Matt Lockwood will not be joining in this transfer window.

 

[londonblue]

As Mick says, I'm still asking the same questions. I don't care who is in charge. The questions remain the same. They have not yet been answered but still need to be. My change in feelings is that I hope that if any long-standing fans ever have a financial interest in the stadium operating company they'd at least want to look after the long-term interests of the club.

It's not black and white - ie it's either Ron Martin makes 100% of the profits or SUFC makes 100% of the profits. It would be totally unrealistic for the fans to expect the club to get 100% of the profits from the new development. I'm happy for investors (including Ron Martin) to make a return on their investment, as long as SUFC is not screwed and gets a fair share of the benefits. Given that the landowners would make £0 profit from the development if there was no club at the time they want the development to be built, I think it would be very fair for the club not to have to pay rent and to get some reasonable percentage of the profits since the club is the vehicle to enable the property developers to make their money. I know we've been given wishy-washy statements to indicate this may happen, but it's all been carefully worded and we can read into the official statements as we want.

Maybe the club's chairman can pin down and agree things with the landowner to make sure the club gets the best possible deal.....

I hope that clarifies what I think we should reasonably want to happen.

It does indeed. I guess one thing we all know is that without a new stadium SUFC have no chance of progressing. With it there's at least a chance. If a group (however big or small) are prepared to loan the money (and therefore make a return themselves) and it leads to a new stadium sooner rather than later then it's got to be a good thing, so long as the interests of SUFC aren't ignored...