Smith

[mfurok]

Didn't help Kane Ferdinand did it?

What about Spencer Prior? One of our greatest ever players, a true product of our youth system yet the fans favourite was his central defensive partner (who Prior made look good) who was an Orient youth team player.

Franck Moussa wasn't particularly popular, despite scoring the winner against Col Ewe.

Objectively these three are amongst our best players ever (all went onto play for championship clubs),all come through our youth system yet none were crowd favourites.

Simon Royce was the nearest thing to a home produced goalkeeper (let's forget Mel Capelton, please) we've produced in donkey years and also clearly objectively our best, yet people seem to somehow prefer Sammy and Darryl.

Maybe it's just our fans are just appalling judges? Lee Sawyer was loved far more than Nicky Bailey but ones in the conference and the other one is battling for promotion to the premier league?

You clearly are.

We have had hundreds of better players than Moussa and Ferdinand.

 

[mrsblue]

Smith is an average league 2 keeper but I never would dream of barracking him during the game,Why some of our fans think that slagging off players will improve their performance is way beyond me.

 

[Jam_Man]

You clearly are.

We have had hundreds of better players than Moussa and Ferdinand.

Name them :smile:

Not sure hundreds but we have certainly had plenty of players better.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

You clearly are.

We have had hundreds of better players than Moussa and Ferdinand.

Strange how premiership or championship managers don't seem to agree with you.

 

[EastStandBlue]

You clearly are.

We have had hundreds of better players than Moussa and Ferdinand.

Laughable nonsense.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Smith is an average league 2 keeper but I never would dream of barracking him during the game,Why some of our fans think that slagging off players will improve their performance is way beyond me.

Sensible words, Smith is not alone in getting gobshites giving OUR BOYS the value of their coaching and playing expertise; regular "favorites" for that style of encouragement are Barks, Luke P, Strakes and David Martin. They must at some stage become aware of it either when it happens or from mates/family in the crowd after the game. It is NOT a good thing.

 

[Neil 24]

Ye true as much as players would love to be fans favorites they a pros and would not let this get in there way and stop them giving everythin for southend!

 

[Jam_Man]

Strange how premiership or championship managers don't seem to agree with you.

Ferdinand is at struggling Posh and Moussa on loan at Coventry, so both plenty to prove yet.

Doing ok for themselves, but hardly our most successful exports, although by no means have we had hundreds do better either.

 

[Welly7]

Also, interesting to see you change your tune. Do you now admit that Bournemouth's current third choice was a poor keeper? Both are shot stoppers, but Smith has vastly superior distribution (isn't it a relief not to see every other goal-kick not go out for a throw-in five yards past the half way line?), superior size and reach, dominates his area more (they catch the same amount but Smith also punches). Smith's not quite as good as Mildenhall, but otherwise he's our (ie not a loanee like Daniels) best permanent keeper since Royce.

Sorry, are you saying Flavs was a poor keeper and using the fact that he is now behind Jalal & James at Bournemouth as proof of that?! And are you also knocking Flav's kicking?! Hey, it's all about opinions but Darryl's kicking (drop, back pass or goal kicks) was as consistent as any keeper I've seen play for us since the back pass rule came into effect. Seldom did it go out for a throw in. Think you're way wide of the mark there...when you like someone you really do and when you don't...blimey!!!

I know you like reasons behind a view as to why a player isn't/is rated so I'll say this about Flahavan. He was small and never came for crosses. Sometimes his lack of inches got found out as a result. But, can't fault his kicking, was extremely agile and a great shot stopper, better in one ones than he got credit for and consistent over his time at the club.

Oh, and one more reason to back up my view that Flav's was a very good keeper for us, up there with the best I've seen at Southend, is his play-off winners medal that sits next to his League One Champions medal in his display cabinet.

Thankyou.

 

[bucket&spade.f.c]

If Smith was a race horse he would of been put down by now

 

[chapperzUK]

If Smith was a race horse he would of been put down by now

If our players were race horses, most of them would have been put down due to being crocks, what is your point?

 

[mfurok]

Laughable nonsense.

106 seasons - average of 2 players per season better - easy peasy.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Sorry, are you saying Flavs was a poor keeper and using the fact that he is now behind Jalal & James at Bournemouth as proof of that?! And are you also knocking Flav's kicking?! Hey, it's all about opinions but Darryl's kicking (drop, back pass or goal kicks) was as consistent as any keeper I've seen play for us since the back pass rule came into effect. Seldom did it go out for a throw in. Think you're way wide of the mark there...when you like someone you really do and when you don't...blimey!!!

I know you like reasons behind a view as to why a player isn't/is rated so I'll say this about Flahavan. He was small and never came for crosses. Sometimes his lack of inches got found out as a result. But, can't fault his kicking, was extremely agile and a great shot stopper, better in one ones than he got credit for and consistent over his time at the club.

Oh, and one more reason to back up my view that Flav's was a very good keeper for us, up there with the best I've seen at Southend, is his play-off winners medal that sits next to his League One Champions medal in his display cabinet.

Thankyou.

Flahavan's shot-stopping was overrated. His fingertip saves that everyone went ahh at would have been palmed away by taller keepers with far bigger reaches and better initial positioning.

Whilst his kicking was consistent, it wasn't actually good. Distance wise he struggled to get it much past the halfway line and his accuracy wasn't at all great and LOADS would bounce once and then out for a throw. For some reason no-one minded when he did it but on the rare occasion Smith does it everyone moans. Personally, I don't think it's particularly important and think back to how Roycie's kicking was atrocious but he never cost us a point with it.

But what I don't get is how everyone complains about Smith's quietness, his kicking, his lack of coming for crosses when Flahavan was at least as guilty for all of those but never got any stick.

And Spencer Prior was outstanding at organising that defence. He was a class, class act and the reason we won the league.

106 seasons - average of 2 players per season better - easy peasy.

According to the SUFC database we've only had 971 players play for us.

I would be amazed if one in five of those had gone onto play more games in the top two divisions in England at their subsequent clubs than Moussa or Ferdinand. And both have time to add.

 

[wiggy]

Try and get your facts right.

Darryl was first choice until he was injured (for the season probably).

Injured does not mean third choice.

Clueless as always.....Flahavan has had a broken shoulder and was always in front of Jalawl......Smith is a 6ft 5 inch mouse....next!

 

[wiggy]

Clueless as always.....Flahavan has had a broken shoulder and was always in front of Jalawl......Smith is a 6ft 5 inch mouse....next!

Woops, not you......Yorkshire Blue!

 

[Welly7]

Flahavan's shot-stopping was overrated. His fingertip saves that everyone went ahh at would have been palmed away by taller keepers with far bigger reaches and better initial positioning.

Whilst his kicking was consistent, it wasn't actually good. Distance wise he struggled to get it much past the halfway line and his accuracy wasn't at all great and LOADS would bounce once and then out for a throw. For some reason no-one minded when he did it but on the rare occasion Smith does it everyone moans. Personally, I don't think it's particularly important and think back to how Roycie's kicking was atrocious but he never cost us a point with it.

But what I don't get is how everyone complains about Smith's quietness, his kicking, his lack of coming for crosses when Flahavan was at least as guilty for all of those but never got any stick.

And Spencer Prior was outstanding at organising that defence. He was a class, class act and the reason we won the league.

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Sorry, but you're wrong about Flavs kicking IMO. As I said before, very good with the ball at his feet for a keeper - accuracy, distance, clean strikes - all good. Its not all about how far a GK can kick it. That's kinda the mentality of schoolboy football where the biggest kid must be the best player. It's funny how you don't consider Royce's poor kicking a problem, but pick out Flavs' as a fault of his.

And no way was his shot stopping overrated. It's a keeper's job to make saves and Darryl did that part of the job very well. I remember Royce, who I'm a big fan of by the way, making fingertip saves and applauding his ability to do so. Why do you struggle to do the same with Flavs, but not Royce?

Yes, Prior played a massive part in winning the league - as did Barrett, Maher, Goater, Gray, Flavs and everyone else. But, when push comes to shove - and one player has to be creditted with doing that little bit extra - Freddy Eastwood took us over the line to make history.

Regarding Smith, I'm more than happy with him at the minute. I think he's a little unorthodox at times, but as long as the ball is kept out the net then that's fine with me.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Sorry, but you're wrong about Flavs kicking IMO. As I said before, very good with the ball at his feet for a keeper - accuracy, distance, clean strikes - all good. Its not all about how far a GK can kick it. That's kinda the mentality of schoolboy football where the biggest kid must be the best player. It's funny how you don't consider Royce's poor kicking a problem, but pick out Flavs' as a fault of his.

And no way was his shot stopping overrated. It's a keeper's job to make saves and Darryl did that part of the job very well. I remember Royce, who I'm a big fan of by the way, making fingertip saves and applauding his ability to do so. Why do you struggle to do the same with Flavs, but not Royce?

Yes, Prior played a massive part in winning the league - as did Barrett, Maher, Goater, Gray, Flavs and everyone else. But, when push comes to shove - and one player has to be creditted with doing that little bit extra - Freddy Eastwood took us over the line to make history.

Regarding Smith, I'm more than happy with him at the minute. I think he's a little unorthodox at times, but as long as the ball is kept out the net then that's fine with me.

As long as the ball wasn''t over 5'6" high, Daryl had a chance

 

[palexander]

Sorry, but you're wrong about Flavs kicking IMO. As I said before, very good with the ball at his feet for a keeper - accuracy, distance, clean strikes - all good. Its not all about how far a GK can kick it. That's kinda the mentality of schoolboy football where the biggest kid must be the best player. It's funny how you don't consider Royce's poor kicking a problem, but pick out Flavs' as a fault of his.

And no way was his shot stopping overrated. It's a keeper's job to make saves and Darryl did that part of the job very well. I remember Royce, who I'm a big fan of by the way, making fingertip saves and applauding his ability to do so. Why do you struggle to do the same with Flavs, but not Royce?

Yes, Prior played a massive part in winning the league - as did Barrett, Maher, Goater, Gray, Flavs and everyone else. But, when push comes to shove - and one player has to be creditted with doing that little bit extra - Freddy Eastwood took us over the line to make history.

Regarding Smith, I'm more than happy with him at the minute. I think he's a little unorthodox at times, but as long as the ball is kept out the net then that's fine with me.

Bit like De Gea! Such an odd keeper, makes weird saving choices and uses his feet alot, but as you say - if it doesnt go in, then thats all the matters!

 

[Neil 24]

exactly keep the ball. out at all costs

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

We have had hundreds of better players than Moussa and Ferdinand.

Name them :smile:

Not sure hundreds but we have certainly had plenty of players better.

Strange how premiership or championship managers don't seem to agree with you.

Laughable nonsense.

Ferdinand is at struggling Posh and Moussa on loan at Coventry, so both plenty to prove yet.

Doing ok for themselves, but hardly our most successful exports, although by no means have we had hundreds do better either.

Dunno about hundreds but I could certainly think of dozens(and I believe most long term Blues fans could too).