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Echo News Shrimpers boss Maher pleased to welcome back fit-again Miley

Of course how you set up a team matters. Putting round pegs into round holes matter also, however once you’ve got them out on the pitch, it’s down to those players to win their battles, and we aren’t doing that anywhere near enough at the moment unfortunately.

I don’t think we’ve worked as hard this season as last. I’d love to see the running stats, intensity runs, distance covered etc of this season compared to last. I bet all of it is down unfortunately.
Well it must be all the players fault then. I do not believe this but your opinion is your entitlement. We are losing battles because of selection and set up. We can't beat everyone but we are losing to too many teams we can beat without laying a glove on them.
 
Well it must be all the players fault then. I do not believe this but your opinion is your entitlement. We are losing battles because of selection and set up. We can't beat everyone but we are losing to too many teams we can beat without laying a glove on them.

It’s a combination. Surely you can’t believe it’s all Kev’s fault and not a single bit of blame can be laid at the players door?

Ultimately the manager can only do so much, and it’s down to those on the pitch to carry out instructions and do their bit, and at times they haven’t done that.

Yes Kev has made some baffling selections, some of his substitution have been questionable, however, as I’ve stated before, how many of the players from last season can look in the mirror and say they have matches those levels? I’d suggest three at most, and some might disagree, but I’d go Coker, Ralph & Taylor.
 
It’s a combination. Surely you can’t believe it’s all Kev’s fault and not a single bit of blame can be laid at the players door?

Ultimately the manager can only do so much, and it’s down to those on the pitch to carry out instructions and do their bit, and at times they haven’t done that.

Yes Kev has made some baffling selections, some of his substitution have been questionable, however, as I’ve stated before, how many of the players from last season can look in the mirror and say they have matches those levels? I’d suggest three at most, and some might disagree, but I’d go Coker, Ralph & Taylor.
It is a combination but I feel the bigger contributory problems are coming from the gaffer. If the players are below par, why? Who motivates them, selects them and tells them what to do? If they are not doing as he tells them, then he isn't managing them. If they can't do what he asks, he isn't managing them.

Maher has persisted with his system and clearly it is not working. Maybe we have the wrong personnel to play the way he wants or maybe his system is just not suitable for the division we are in. Either way, the only course of action is for him to change his thinking. That clearly is not happening. He is either delusional or stubborn, or maybe both. I was a fan of his when he played for us and really wanted to see him do the business for a club he served so well. Sadly, sentiment plays no part in football.

It's not too late for him to win people over but I fear he won't even try. Football is a results business and an entertainment business and he is providing neither.

I have some sympathy and feel COSU have not got the balance right. The supporters have turned out in fantastic numbers for a team that is predictable and mostly boring. The loss of revenue when the numbers drop does not help sustainability. Bringing in Hillson and Foran will never placate anyone. It smacks of, ' oh well, that'll do'.

The fact, for me, remains that we are not seeing the best of the players we have and the system will never see them consistently at their best.
 
On paper this squad is more than a match for most teams in this league. Languishing three points above the drop zone is unacceptable but hardly surprising given the stultifyingly pedestrian, predictable and possession based football dinned into this team by such an uninspiring coaching set up. Time for a change before relegation becomes a real possibility.
 
It is a combination but I feel the bigger contributory problems are coming from the gaffer. If the players are below par, why? Who motivates them, selects them and tells them what to do? If they are not doing as he tells them, then he isn't managing them. If they can't do what he asks, he isn't managing them.

Maher has persisted with his system and clearly it is not working. Maybe we have the wrong personnel to play the way he wants or maybe his system is just not suitable for the division we are in. Either way, the only course of action is for him to change his thinking. That clearly is not happening. He is either delusional or stubborn, or maybe both. I was a fan of his when he played for us and really wanted to see him do the business for a club he served so well. Sadly, sentiment plays no part in football.

It's not too late for him to win people over but I fear he won't even try. Football is a results business and an entertainment business and he is providing neither.

I have some sympathy and feel COSU have not got the balance right. The supporters have turned out in fantastic numbers for a team that is predictable and mostly boring. The loss of revenue when the numbers drop does not help sustainability. Bringing in Hillson and Foran will never placate anyone. It smacks of, ' oh well, that'll do'.

The fact, for me, remains that we are not seeing the best of the players we have and the system will never see them consistently at their best.
The fact that we were a playoff team on merit last season would suggest that your second and third bolded points aren't entirely accurate.

One person's "delusion" or stubborness, is another's conviction and belief that their way will bear fruit eventually - and Maher is emminently qualified to hold that conviction and belief.

Your first paragraph, particularly the bit I've highlighted, is indicative of this pervading subconscious sense amongst supporters that footballers are robots.

The ones that have been here for the past few seasons have been through a lot. A hell of a lot. At one point, the togetherness and siege mentality in a tightly-knit and barely-changed squad got them through the tough times. That can only get you so far, though, and it can be difficult to muster that sort of a mentality every time there is a knock back.

Unfortunately, the departures of Kensdale and Cardwell were not only about their effectiveness on the pitch. They were also dressing room leaders in a very tightly-knit squad. Their departures, plus the circumstances of Kensdale's and the sudden nature of Cardwell's, have been further psychological hammer blows, and possibly a couple too far.

In the cases of some players, perhaps both the club and the player need fresh starts. Perhaps this is what Maher meant when he alluded to needing a "mini rebuild" back in August/September. It won't happen overnight, though, because we need to be able to land our targets before we let anybody go.

On paper this squad is more than a match for most teams in this league. Languishing three points above the drop zone is unacceptable but hardly surprising given the stultifyingly pedestrian, predictable and possession based football dinned into this team by such an uninspiring coaching set up. Time for a change before relegation becomes a real possibility.
I'm not so sure this is the case right now. Perhaps last season, but even then, I do think the team togetherness and siege mentality probably had us punching slightly above our weight, although the players were also effective in the tactical setup.

People are understating, even ignoring, the damage to that team spirit, though. Leaving aside what I've said above about Kensdale and Cardwell.......Powell, Demetriou and Fonguck. Say what you want about their respective abilities, but all three were big characters and big voices in the dressing room and on the training pitch, and they all left over the summer without the ability to properly replace them.

Dave Martin too. A monumental loss on the training pitch and in the dressins room.

Footballers are not robots. There is so much more nuance than this than most people seem to be realising, and it needs time to be turned around.
 
I cannot but disagree with nearly all you say. Set up and tactics are paramount in giving the players the right information and positions to beat the opposition. Our team always works hard. Very hard. Their effort is not a complaint I have. Our selections are wrong. Our tactics are wrong. Our manager is wrong. God knows I wanted him to do so well but he is making it very hard to support him.
Tactics don’t matter when your keeper makes catastrophic blunders two weeks in a row.

And not all our team was hard working. Bridge was continually isolated on the left in defence with no-one in front of him. Where was the midfield busting a gut to support him defensively? In recent weeks Noor had been supporting Bridge but with Noor switched to the right we had nobody tracking back to help Bridge on the left. Repeatedly for the first hour Alti scathed through our midfield with minimal resistance. Once KAF came on with his energy this became less of an issue and he helped solidify us but by then the game had been lost.
 
Tactics don’t matter when your keeper makes catastrophic blunders two weeks in a row.

And not all our team was hard working. Bridge was continually isolated on the left in defence with no-one in front of him. Where was the midfield busting a gut to support him defensively? In recent weeks Noor had been supporting Bridge but with Noor switched to the right we had nobody tracking back to help Bridge on the left. Repeatedly for the first hour Alti scathed through our midfield with minimal resistance. Once KAF came on with his energy this became less of an issue and he helped solidify us but by then the game had been lost.
Tactics do matter and most of your post supports that. Keepers make blunders but we can't outscore our frailties. You then go on to say about Bridge being isolated and Noir switched to the right. Whose fault was that? Then you talk about KAF coming on and making a difference. The change was too late and even before we were two down it was clear we were in for difficult day. Proactive rather than reactive is necessary but the reactive also needs to be quicker. Everything you listed validates my concerns.
 
The fact that we were a playoff team on merit last season would suggest that your second and third bolded points aren't entirely accurate.

One person's "delusion" or stubborness, is another's conviction and belief that their way will bear fruit eventually - and Maher is emminently qualified to hold that conviction and belief.

Your first paragraph, particularly the bit I've highlighted, is indicative of this pervading subconscious sense amongst supporters that footballers are robots.

The ones that have been here for the past few seasons have been through a lot. A hell of a lot. At one point, the togetherness and siege mentality in a tightly-knit and barely-changed squad got them through the tough times. That can only get you so far, though, and it can be difficult to muster that sort of a mentality every time there is a knock back.

Unfortunately, the departures of Kensdale and Cardwell were not only about their effectiveness on the pitch. They were also dressing room leaders in a very tightly-knit squad. Their departures, plus the circumstances of Kensdale's and the sudden nature of Cardwell's, have been further psychological hammer blows, and possibly a couple too far.

In the cases of some players, perhaps both the club and the player need fresh starts. Perhaps this is what Maher meant when he alluded to needing a "mini rebuild" back in August/September. It won't happen overnight, though, because we need to be able to land our targets before we let anybody go.


I'm not so sure this is the case right now. Perhaps last season, but even then, I do think the team togetherness and siege mentality probably had us punching slightly above our weight, although the players were also effective in the tactical setup.

People are understating, even ignoring, the damage to that team spirit, though. Leaving aside what I've said above about Kensdale and Cardwell.......Powell, Demetriou and Fonguck. Say what you want about their respective abilities, but all three were big characters and big voices in the dressing room and on the training pitch, and they all left over the summer without the ability to properly replace them.

Dave Martin too. A monumental loss on the training pitch and in the dressins room.

Footballers are not robots. There is so much more nuance than this than most people seem to be realising, and it needs time to be turned around.
Why keep dwelling on last season and the spirit of yesterday. No one is saying the players are robots or that they haven't had a torrid time. That does not excuse the current dreadful set up, which is proving to be a flop, nor does it explain questionable selections, particularly against Altrincham, which nigh on everyone had no faith in but the gaffer still did it. Cav has not been the player he can be, without injuries, for a long time and Noor has been a shadow of himself but Maher will pick them continuously. He did the same with Mooney, persisting in his selection when he detracted from the team.

I applaud your unswerving support but please stop coming across as the rest of us fans don't understand the situation as well as you do. Our opinions differ but I have a catalogue of poor performances and adverse results to cite from, and for me, it clearly says do something different. You talk of the problems the players have had to endure and the effects on them, well Maher has had the same and more to deal with. Maybe he is suffering and so are his decisions. Naturally you make no acknowledgement of this and prefer to deflect any criticism of Maher, however warranted, and prefer to say it's the players who are not up to it.
 
It is a combination but I feel the bigger contributory problems are coming from the gaffer. If the players are below par, why? Who motivates them, selects them and tells them what to do? If they are not doing as he tells them, then he isn't managing them. If they can't do what he asks, he isn't managing them.

Maher has persisted with his system and clearly it is not working. Maybe we have the wrong personnel to play the way he wants or maybe his system is just not suitable for the division we are in. Either way, the only course of action is for him to change his thinking. That clearly is not happening. He is either delusional or stubborn, or maybe both. I was a fan of his when he played for us and really wanted to see him do the business for a club he served so well. Sadly, sentiment plays no part in football.

It's not too late for him to win people over but I fear he won't even try. Football is a results business and an entertainment business and he is providing neither.

I have some sympathy and feel COSU have not got the balance right. The supporters have turned out in fantastic numbers for a team that is predictable and mostly boring. The loss of revenue when the numbers drop does not help sustainability. Bringing in Hillson and Foran will never placate anyone. It smacks of, ' oh well, that'll do'.

The fact, for me, remains that we are not seeing the best of the players we have and the system will never see them consistently at their best.

Because players have spells of good form and spells of bad form, hence why they are National League players. They aren’t robots that can all perform 7/8 out of 10 every week.

You seem to be laying all the blame at Kev’s door, which is incredibly harsh, but I don’t believe you’ve ever been a fan of Kev the manager.

You say maybe the system isn’t suited to the division, but despite everything that has happened to the club since we’ve been at this level, two seasons ago we narrrowly missed out on the play offs playing this way, and last season we would have made the playoffs without the points deduction, so the system does work at this level.

But, without all the problems, we wouldn’t have needed to bring in Hillson or Foran. We would have secured other players, our A targets, and wouldn’t be scraping around when we have injuries/suspensions like we did with Foran. Ironically, he was someone we looked at over the summer.

But these players have played well in this system. So that, to me, suggests the system isn’t the problem at the moment…
 
Because players have spells of good form and spells of bad form, hence why they are National League players. They aren’t robots that can all perform 7/8 out of 10 every week.

You seem to be laying all the blame at Kev’s door, which is incredibly harsh, but I don’t believe you’ve ever been a fan of Kev the manager.

You say maybe the system isn’t suited to the division, but despite everything that has happened to the club since we’ve been at this level, two seasons ago we narrrowly missed out on the play offs playing this way, and last season we would have made the playoffs without the points deduction, so the system does work at this level.

But, without all the problems, we wouldn’t have needed to bring in Hillson or Foran. We would have secured other players, our A targets, and wouldn’t be scraping around when we have injuries/suspensions like we did with Foran. Ironically, he was someone we looked at over the summer.

But these players have played well in this system. So that, to me, suggests the system isn’t the problem at the moment…
You haven't read my many posts on the subject. I was a fan of Maher as a player for us and welcomed him as a manager. I knew he was reasonably inexperienced but hoped he would learn along the way. Sadly I have not witnessed this.

Again you talk about the last two seasons. We came close it's true but off-field issues are not the whole story. Even with the ten points deduction last season, we could have made the play-offs but stuffed ourselves with some very disappointing defeats that, for me, could have been avoided. We were already, last season, sussed out by the opposing teams. Our predictable play was a gift to them.

I do not expect players at our level to be world beaters and their consistency will always be a challenge. I do expect the players we have to be given the chance to play to their best and I do not believe they are. Our keep possession football, in areas that do no damage, is stifling any hope of creativity. Even in the last third we overpass instead of having a go at goal. Fans moan about Gus and Bridge being less effective with crosses. Who are they crossing to? Defenders love it against us.

Whatever the answer is to the problems we have, it is not more of the same.
 
Tactics do matter and most of your post supports that. Keepers make blunders but we can't outscore our frailties. You then go on to say about Bridge being isolated and Noir switched to the right. Whose fault was that? Then you talk about KAF coming on and making a difference. The change was too late and even before we were two down it was clear we were in for difficult day. Proactive rather than reactive is necessary but the reactive also needs to be quicker. Everything you listed validates my concerns.

Bridge being isolated wasn’t tactical. It was because one of the midfield wasn’t pulling their weight when it came to defending. KAF made a difference because he put in the work.
 
Let's face it.

This 3-5-2 formation is garbage.

It relies on on both wing backs having real pace, being able to defend and also able to put quality deliveries into the box.

Both bridge and Gus aren't really much of the above at all.

Bridge is still on corner duty and they are simply dreadful.
 
You haven't read my many posts on the subject. I was a fan of Maher as a player for us and welcomed him as a manager. I knew he was reasonably inexperienced but hoped he would learn along the way. Sadly I have not witnessed this.

Again you talk about the last two seasons. We came close it's true but off-field issues are not the whole story. Even with the ten points deduction last season, we could have made the play-offs but stuffed ourselves with some very disappointing defeats that, for me, could have been avoided. We were already, last season, sussed out by the opposing teams. Our predictable play was a gift to them.

I do not expect players at our level to be world beaters and their consistency will always be a challenge. I do expect the players we have to be given the chance to play to their best and I do not believe they are. Our keep possession football, in areas that do no damage, is stifling any hope of creativity. Even in the last third we overpass instead of having a go at goal. Fans moan about Gus and Bridge being less effective with crosses. Who are they crossing to? Defenders love it against us.

Whatever the answer is to the problems we have, it is not more of the same.
Hard to argue against all you say here.
We have certainly sussed out our problems, but the issue of how to rectify it is the problem. Chuck cash at it, change the manager, change the system, chuck cash and change the system, change the system and change the manager, anonanon..
 
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SOUTHEND United boss Kevin Maher thought Cav Miley did well on his return to the starting line-up at Altrincham.

Miley – who was sidelined by a back injury in late August – made three appearances off the bench prior to his involvement at the weekend.

And Maher was pleased to welcome Miley back into the team.

“Cav gives everything for the football club and has done amazingly well since he’s been here,” said Maher.
“He did well too.

“He’s full of energy and has great quality on the ball so I was pleased with him.

“I didn’t expect him to last as long as he did either.”

Miley, who played 82 minutes of the game, and George Moncur were both handed recalls in midfield against Altrincham as James Morton and Oli Coker dropped down onto the bench.

And, when asked why Coker did not come on, Maher added: “You can go through the team every week and someone doesn’t play but this game wasn’t won or lost on tactics.”
Maybe it was lost because off the fact you dropped the two best in form midfielders we have had lately leaving an out of form Husin in the team ,and replacing Cokes and Morton with an uninterested Moncur and not 100% fit Cav ,then plus the formation id boring .When you drop your best 2 mids over the past few weeks what does that say to the rest of the team , no matter how well you play you can still be dropped or how bad you play you can still be part of the eleven. So same team again this week Kev .
 

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