Romanians flee homes after attack

[Mad Cyril]

Royal Mail refuse to deliver without police escort due to attacks.

My recovery company refuse to collect or work on vehicles there due to tools being nicked and damage to vehicles.

Gas and Electric boards cant carry out work on the site due to threats and theft from their vehicles.

Illegal barriers of gas bottles and razor wire set up to stop any attempted evictions.

Fire Service attacked at least twice in the last year (with bricks) while attempting to put out a scrub fire.

Pot holes in the road not to be repaired as it might imply that the road is being prepared for the evictions that are supposedly coming.

Known criminal activity happening on Dale Farm yet not being acted on due to fear of possible racial tension being aroused.

What I meant was I haven't heard of anyone throwing bricks at the residents of Crays Hill.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

What I meant was I haven't heard of anyone throwing bricks at the residents of Crays Hill.

That wasn't the point. The point is that the Irish communities come over here and live howw they want. You think back in Ireland they would be more tolerant of immigrant/travellers as some of the Irish population do exactly the same thing here.

 

[MK Shrimper]

That wasn't the point. The point is that the Irish communities come over here and live howw they want. You think back in Ireland they would be more tolerant of immigrant/travellers as some of the Irish population do exactly the same thing here.

Yeah that Alan McCormack.... what's he ever done for us :madman:

 

[Firestorm]

From what I've seen and heard the farming industry relies on migrants coming in to pick their crops while your average UK born sponger thinks it's below him/her to pick a few cabbages.

BBC 2 did a series last year called White Britain
http://www.bbc.co.uk/white/

In one program (the Poles are coming IIRC) they spoke to a number of jobless men in Peterborough who blames the immigrants for taking all the jobs . The interviewer found a local farmer who was trying to get pickers for his sweet potato crop and was paying well of the minimum wage (something around 7.50 an hour IIRC) .
He went back to these jobless locals and offered them the jobs, the responses...Nah mate its outdoors init... A Farm, that means getting up early ... I aint doin that there will be immigrants there and I aint working with them.

The Farmer lost a part of his crop because there were not enough people to pick it all , despite extensively using immigrant labour.

It graphically highlighted the problems of the fine balance of providing someone , genuinely disadvantaged with enough to live without encouraging the idle not to work .

 

[Sussex Shrimper]

That wasn't the point. The point is that the Irish communities come over here and live howw they want. You think back in Ireland they would be more tolerant of immigrant/travellers as some of the Irish population do exactly the same thing here.

Does this tolerance extend to the way that we should treat immigrants, in light of the way in which so many of our citizens have "enhanced" parts of the Iberian Peninsular and Med, and served as such wonderful ambassadors for the British abroad?

 

[BLUEBLOOD]

It graphically highlighted the problems of the fine balance of providing someone , genuinely disadvantaged with enough to live without encouraging the idle not to work .

There is so little incentive for some people to work these days, such are the benefits afforded them.

Here is a case in point which i feel a little guilty about spilling here because it involves a friend of mine, well more to the point his daughter

She is 16, left school 2 years ago cos she didn't like it, got in the wrong crowd etc... she recently had a baby, her social worker filled out a form saying my mate had kicked her out cos of the baby (totally untrue) and she now has a cosy little one bed flat, furnished by the council

It is so so so wrong ... my rant against the immigrants was perhaps a little one-eyed or blinkered, in fact my test case proves it, but it does annoy me when i have to scrape and save every penny i can to feed and clothe myself and my boy while others are lording it up

 

[Swiss Tony]

Where have you seen Romanians picking cabbages?

Maybe he means nicking cabbages,oh gawd.

 

[Napster]

There is so little incentive for some people to work these days, such are the benefits afforded them.

Here is a case in point which i feel a little guilty about spilling here because it involves a friend of mine, well more to the point his daughter

She is 16, left school 2 years ago cos she didn't like it, got in the wrong crowd etc... she recently had a baby, her social worker filled out a form saying my mate had kicked her out cos of the baby (totally untrue) and she now has a cosy little one bed flat, furnished by the council

It is so so so wrong ... my rant against the immigrants was perhaps a little one-eyed or blinkered, in fact my test case proves it, but it does annoy me when i have to scrape and save every penny i can to feed and clothe myself and my boy while others are lording it up

Again to be fair, I don't think they're lording it up.

 

[BLUEBLOOD]

Again to be fair, I don't think they're lording it up.

I can almost certainly guarantee there are a good many people out there (be they white, black, yellow, brown or that dirty eastern european unwashed colour) who are milking the benefits system for all its worth and are indeed "lording it up"

 

[Sussex Shrimper]

Again to be fair, I don't think they're lording it up.

Me neither.

I find it likely that the real problem lies in the benefit traps that pose barriers to somebody in that situation attempting to work. Even taking a part time job would probably entail a huge loss of benefits, but would be surely be inadequate to support a young family. Is there any way that a woman in such a situation could realistically aspire to step straight into a job that would allow her to do so given the enormous cost of childcare for a single mother working full-time?

It's the system that creates such dilemmas, and as such it requires a drastic overhaul. The introduction of a citizens' wage would destroy most of the barriers to work, but the main parties live in fear of reactionary coverage in the right wing media.

 

[Firestorm]

I can almost certainly guarantee there are a good many people out there (be they white, black, yellow, brown or that dirty eastern european unwashed colour) who are milking the benefits system for all its worth and are indeed "lording it up"

To be fair I think the ones that are lording it up are doing so , not because they have got maximum benefits, rather more like they are claiming whilst having "other revenue streams". They are not abusing the system but defrauding it, (i see the 73 yr old BGT Breakdancer has had his benefit stopped) and as such should be prosecuted.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Prove it. Hearsay and conjecture are one thing, proof is another.

Now granted you don't have to believe me but.......

Last Saturday I was in McDonalds in the high street taking advantage of their wireless tinternet thingy. I was sitting there minding my own business when a group of five guys came and sat next to and opposite me. One of them asked me about the lappy I was using and we all got into a long and protracted conversation. The last part of this conversation revolved around their residential status and their working commitments. Every one of them openly admitted that they have neither been out seeking work or had any intention of doing so. They bragged about the amount of benefits they were getting (helped in large part to do gooder social service types) and the clothing, travel allowances they got to. One even showed me the sodding mobile phone he was given to help keep him in touch with his family back home.

Call me whatever names you like but this country is going to hell in a hand cart and handing out the freebies the likes that these blokes were getting is only adding to the slippery slope our nation finds itself on. :madman:

 

[pickledseal]

From what I've seen and heard the farming industry relies on migrants coming in to pick their crops while your average UK born sponger thinks it's below him/her to pick a few cabbages.

"If I could be a superhero
I'd be Immigration dude
I’d send all the foreigners back to their homes
For eating up all of our food
And taking our welfare and best jobs to boot
Like landscaping, dishwashing, picking our fruit
I’d pass a lot of laws to get rid of their food
‘Cause I’d be Immigration Dude"

Stephen Lynch - "Superhero"​

 

[Firestorm]

Now granted you don't have to believe me but.......

Last Saturday I was in McDonalds in the high street taking advantage of their wireless tinternet thingy. I was sitting there minding my own business when a group of five guys came and sat next to and opposite me. One of them asked me about the lappy I was using and we all got into a long and protracted conversation. The last part of this conversation revolved around their residential status and their working commitments. Every one of them openly admitted that they have neither been out seeking work or had any intention of doing so. They bragged about the amount of benefits they were getting (helped in large part to do gooder social service types) and the clothing, travel allowances they got to. One even showed me the sodding mobile phone he was given to help keep him in touch with his family back home.

Call me whatever names you like but this country is going to hell in a hand cart and handing out the freebies the likes that these blokes were getting is only adding to the slippery slope our nation finds itself on. :madman:

Were they migrants , immigrants or asylum seekers ?
Migrants , its an Eu thing so there is little we can do unless we want to compromise our trading.
immigrants, largely they will be commonwealth countries and the freedom for them to come to the "motherland" has been around for years.
Asylum Seekers, the country , like it or not, is showing a concionce to to those living in fear (probably the most debatable of the categories)

mind reading your transcript, their grasp of the english language sounds reasonable, are you sure they weren't just from Canvey ?

 

[Bielzibubz]

Were they migrants , immigrants or asylum seekers ?
Migrants , its an Eu thing so there is little we can do unless we want to compromise our trading.
immigrants, largely they will be commonwealth countries and the freedom for them to come to the "motherland" has been around for years.
Asylum Seekers, the country , like it or not, is showing a concionce to to those living in fear (probably the most debatable of the categories)

mind reading your transcript, their grasp of the english language sounds reasonable, are you sure they weren't just from Canvey ?

I should of perhaps gone into more detail but I couldn't be ar$ed at the time. Two of them spoke very good English, one's was quite poor and the other two just conversed with the one with poor English. I gathered from the two that I spoke to at length that three were from Slovakia and two were Romanian. One of the two with good English was quite proud that this was the third time he'd got to the UK after being thrown out twice before and that this time he had a 'case worker' on his side that was handling all the paperwork involved in his attempt to stay here.

I got the clear impression, although I wasn't going to ask out right, that they were here purely as economic migrants and were just out to fleece the system for all it's worth.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Were they migrants , immigrants or asylum seekers ?
Migrants , its an Eu thing so there is little we can do unless we want to compromise our trading.
immigrants, largely they will be commonwealth countries and the freedom for them to come to the "motherland" has been around for years.
Asylum Seekers, the country , like it or not, is showing a concionce to to those living in fear (probably the most debatable of the categories)

mind reading your transcript, their grasp of the english language sounds reasonable, are you sure they weren't just from Canvey ?

Migrants - Could be stopped if we removed ourselves from the EU, which wouldn't affect free trade but would give back our control of our own borders.

Immigrants - Mostly commonwealth countries true but if we wish to go to say New Zealand then a point system comes into play. They only want what they require, we seem to take anything kicking about. And yes, I am fully aware of our new points system but consider it too little too late.

Asylum Seekers - The first country of safety. Have a rough count up of how many countries the UK is from say Somalia or Iraq. Our open door policy is a joke laughed at by the rest of Europe and the English speaking world.

These are problems that could be sorted out by a govenment that had a backbone almost overnight. The genuine get benefits the rest work. Farmers need labor then it comes from the dole queue. If they refuse then no dole money. Streets need cleaning, graffiti needs removing, litter needs picking, grass needs cutting, get the required labour from the dole queues. No ifs, no buts, work or get nothing. Put the nation back to work, regain some lost pride and put our own first. The ponces and spongers will soon think again about picking crops if their dole dries up overnight. And don't say it isn't that easy, it is that easy it just needs a little backbone to make it happen.

 

[steveo]

Asylum Seekers, the country , like it or not, is showing a concionce to to those living in fear (probably the most debatable of the categories)

Would this not mean that all Asylum seekers are illegal immigrants then? As I understand it, if they are unsafe they should seek refuge in the first safe country they arrive in, which more or less means unless they are French, Belgian or Irish, they should be seeking Asylum elsewhere.

 

[Firestorm]

Would this not mean that all Asylum seekers are illegal immigrants then? As I understand it, if they are unsafe they should seek refuge in the first safe country they arrive in, which more or less means unless they are French, Belgian or Irish, they should be seeking Asylum elsewhere.

They are only illegal immigrants if they don't go through the correct channels when the arrive or they have been granted leave to remain. It would be at the point of the application being examined would the matter of the first safe country be considered and I would hope that it is considered as a routine part of the process (whether it is addressed then not considered sufficient to refuse leave is another issue)

 

[Firestorm]

Migrants - Could be stopped if we removed ourselves from the EU, which wouldn't affect free trade but would give back our control of our own borders.

Immigrants - Mostly commonwealth countries true but if we wish to go to say New Zealand then a point system comes into play. They only want what they require, we seem to take anything kicking about. And yes, I am fully aware of our new points system but consider it too little too late.

Asylum Seekers - The first country of safety. Have a rough count up of how many countries the UK is from say Somalia or Iraq. Our open door policy is a joke laughed at by the rest of Europe and the English speaking world.

These are problems that could be sorted out by a govenment that had a backbone almost overnight. The genuine get benefits the rest work. Farmers need labor then it comes from the dole queue. If they refuse then no dole money. Streets need cleaning, graffiti needs removing, litter needs picking, grass needs cutting, get the required labour from the dole queues. No ifs, no buts, work or get nothing. Put the nation back to work, regain some lost pride and put our own first. The ponces and spongers will soon think again about picking crops if their dole dries up overnight. And don't say it isn't that easy, it is that easy it just needs a little backbone to make it happen.

True, although New Zealand are not the head of the Commonwealth and did not grant the right to live there as a sweetener to the countries they were hell bent on plundering the resources of .

But as I was pointing out it is not this governments fault it is happening , the policies have been in place for many many years , you have effectively backed up may point

 

[SARF]

It is this government fault.. They have been in power for over a decade.. blaming previous administrations is a feeble acceptance of failure to react to current circumstances..