Rettendon Murders

[Billy Bests boot laces]

There are only a couple in the lane but they are at a distance front and rear. As you say none of the inside scene.
Tucker in particular looks like he has been placed in the car when either dead or unconscious. legs crossed, arms folded in and phone sitting on lap.head slumped towards where they say two blasts of a shot gun came from.
Rolfe has his left foot on the brake one hand on the steering wheel and one on the gear stick with the car in drive...After two shots to the head. mmmmmm and who turned the ignition off?

I saw one of the inside scene, as you describe. Half of Rolfe's face missing, Tucker's jawbone showing big time, & Tate in the back with what looked like 1 shot in his Liver.
The 'official' story alleged it happened so quickly, Tate didn't have time to move or respond?.
Cant remember where that statement originated from, but probably from the Police report?.

 

[The Original Tribal Chief]

I knew a lot of the people on the periphery of this case, and I can say without hesitation that Whomes and Steele were not the shooters, and that much of what has been said on this thread is pretty much correct. My main reason for leaving Essex and heading to the US was to get away from a 'bad crowd' (maybe Nile should come over and live in rural Colorado), and the three 'victims' were about as bad a crowd as there is. Have a fairly good idea as to who actually pulled the trigger, but who ordered it and why is really the key question. Tucker, Tate and Rolfe had screwed or attempted to screw pretty much every middle to big-time operator in Essex and E London, so there were many people who were not disappointed by what happened. I met Tate once and he was a monumental arsehole.

 

[Mad Cyril]

There are only a couple in the lane but they are at a distance front and rear. As you say none of the inside scene. One that is rarely shown is taken from the front and shows a pool of blood near the front passenger side headlight. How did that get there or was the car pushed back?

Tucker in particular looks like he has been placed in the car when either dead or unconscious. legs crossed, arms folded in and phone sitting on lap.head slumped towards where they say two blasts of a shot gun came from.

Rolfe has his left foot on the brake one hand on the steering wheel and one on the gear stick with the car in drive...After two shots to the head. mmmmmm and who turned the ignition off?

The official story is all the shell casings found were all fired from the same gun....Therefore one gun used. MY shot gun did not have an ejecter, so it could have been fired twice and the shells would come with me. I could fire twice put the empties in my pocket and reload and shoot again without leaving any traceable evidence.

So even that part of the official story falls apart in seconds for a competent defence team.

Would you want to take on three heavies with a double barreled shotgun and have to reload?

Surely an 8 shot automatic or pump action would be your weapon of choice.

 

[rigsby]

Would you want to take on three heavies with a double barreled shotgun and have to reload?

Surely an 8 shot automatic or pump action would be your weapon of choice.

No I certainly wouldn't....Not a chance

The official story was a 3 shot?....8 would be rare.....More popular and safer would be a 5 shot.

Even if i did open that rear right door with a 5 shot I would want a back up man with a another gun on the left hand side....What if my one gun jams or they get out the door.... Or two guns from one side.

My point stands, two guns cannot be ruled out because shotgun wounds aren't like single bullets. Recovering one type of shell only proves those shell come from the same gun but not the wounds.

 

[rigsby]

For those interested, go on you tube and search Paul Betts. You can see a couple of short interviews and read his and his wives police statements.

If you want to just listen to the statements type Mr Betts-the ex policeman's alibi

Perhaps someone could post them on here as there are some red flags and the times don't match between him and his wife.

 

[Billy Bests boot laces]

As i mentioned on a previous post, got to be a callous person who could do that, then go home & sleep?.

 

[OldBlueLady]

The official story is all the shell casings found were all fired from the same gun....Therefore one gun used. MY shot gun did not have an ejecter, so it could have been fired twice and the shells would come with me. I could fire twice put the empties in my pocket and reload and shoot again without leaving any traceable evidence.

That's another thing Kev confirms, one of them did do it all even though they were supposed to be targetting different people as the other person's gun jammed, but they took the blame together.

 

[Swiss Tony]

No I certainly wouldn't....Not a chance

The official story was a 3 shot?....8 would be rare.....More popular and safer would be a 5 shot.

Even if i did open that rear right door with a 5 shot I would want a back up man with a another gun on the left hand side....What if my one gun jams or they get out the door.... Or two guns from one side.

My point stands, two guns cannot be ruled out because shotgun wounds aren't like single bullets. Recovering one type of shell only proves those shell come from the same gun but not the wounds.

I don't know why but this reminds me of Quincy ME.

 

[Mad Cyril]

No I certainly wouldn't....Not a chance

The official story was a 3 shot?....8 would be rare.....More popular and safer would be a 5 shot.

Even if i did open that rear right door with a 5 shot I would want a back up man with a another gun on the left hand side....What if my one gun jams or they get out the door.... Or two guns from one side.

My point stands, two guns cannot be ruled out because shotgun wounds aren't like single bullets. Recovering one type of shell only proves those shell come from the same gun but not the wounds.

I used to work at a clay pigeon shoot before Dunblane and we did see the odd 8 shot automatic and pump action every now and again.

 

[jackj13]

Michael Steele now to be resealed from prison also.

Essex Boys murderer Michael Steele to be released from prison

The 82-year-old will be released from prison on licence, the Parole Board says.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Leigh_Seasider]

Michael Steele now to be resealed from prison also.

Essex Boys murderer Michael Steele to be released from prison

The 82-year-old will be released from prison on licence, the Parole Board says.

www.bbc.co.uk

82?! Jeez. Wonder if they’ll ever find out the truth about what happened there.

 

[pottster]

82?! Jeez. Wonder if they’ll ever find out the truth about what happened there.

You could watch any of the films, I'm sure they're accurate!

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

One of those cases where we may never find out the truth. Darren Nicholls lied many times, as proven, and was doing it to avoid prison. Some of the police seem to have stretched the truth a bit to get the convictions. Allegedly, in my own opinion, and those views of an ex detective. Donna Jaggers had an affair with a senior detective on the case. She suddenly starts remembering things. B.O.M. finds a nice living mainly on this case, which then leads to other crime made for TV documentaries and several books. His story has changed. Did Steele and Whomes do it? I don't know. There were so many that the Essex Boys had ripped off, stolen off, or upset. They were off their nuts at that time on class A drugs. So loads had a motive. Leah Betts dad had a motive. One thing for sure is there's so many inconsistencies.

 

[Benfleet A1]

That's another thing Kev confirms, one of them did do it all even though they were supposed to be targetting different people as the other person's gun jammed, but they took the blame together.

They have always pleaded their innocence so how can they be taking the blame together for anything?

 

[The Original Tribal Chief]

Steele didn’t do it. But he knows who did. And many years in stir were a better option than naming them.

 

[tia]

Steele didn’t do it. But he knows who did. And many years in stir were a better option than naming them.

I can't say I know a lot about this case I have just read and watched documentaries etc like most .I have always thought that Steele and Whomes although no angels weren't the shooters as this seemed a little big for them
I think it's very likely they know who did it but like you say took their chances with a trial and years inside rather than risk their and their families from the consequences of grassing

 

[stewart]

Interesting reading thanks fellas

 

[Mad Cyril]

I used to work at a clay pigeon shoot before Dunblane and we did see the odd 8 shot automatic and pump action every now and again.

Looks like I am mistaken and they probably held 3-5. In an case punters were only allowed to load 2 cartridges at a time for safety reasons.

 

[Simon Templar]

Looks like I am mistaken and they probably held 3-5. In an case punters were only allowed to load 2 cartridges at a time for safety reasons.

Your correct. It’s still the same today actually. It’s not permitted to have a shotgun which allows the loading of more than three cartridges. On clay shoots there are always notices reminding users not to load any more than two shells at a time. Of course there are different rules if you possess a firearms certificate as opposed to a shotgun certificate.

 

[Mad Cyril]

Your correct. It’s still the same today actually. It’s not permitted to have a shotgun which allows the loading of more than three cartridges. On clay shoots there are always notices reminding users not to load any more than two shells at a time. Of course there are different rules if you possess a firearms certificate as opposed to a shotgun certificate.

This was 35 years ago. What I do remember is my mates and I who worked there would refer to anyone with an automatic as Tackleberry. They invariably wore camo gear and yellow glasses as well.