President Donald Trump

[MK Shrimper]

I hear Trump Jnr is next to be arrested. It's surely just a matter of time before they get to the orange faced **** gibbon.

 

[rigsby]

No, it's more balanced than the sort of conspiracy nonsense that you can easily find on the net.Though tbf some doubts are raised about his early days as a US Senator for Texas,,when he bought a local radio station for peanuts, knowing full well as a legislator, that it would soon be granted a rare (at the time) TV licence.That made him his first million.

It was his wife, Lady Bird, who bought the radio and TV station. He just used his postiin to pressure people to deregulate. The family later sold it for over $ 100m.

Here is an absolute fact a Texas Grand Jury has officially indicated and found LBJ guilty as a co-conspirator in 9 murders including his own sister and her boyfriend.

Look up a man called Malcom “Mac” Wallace. Who was caught and pleaded guilty to one of the murders in Texas in the 1950’s...... 11 of the jury voted for the death penalty and 1 for life......Have a guess what happened?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

It was his wife, Lady Bird, who bought the radio and TV station. He just used his postiin to pressure people to deregulate. The family later sold it for over $ 100m.

Here is an absolute fact a Texas Grand Jury has officially indicated and found LBJ guilty as a co-conspirator in 9 murders including his own sister and her boyfriend.

Look up a man called Malcom “Mac” Wallace. Who was caught and pleaded guilty to one of the murders in Texas in the 1950’s...... 11 of the jury voted for the death penalty and 1 for life......Have a guess what happened?

Yes.But she obviously bought it on his say so.

I'm under no illusions about LBJ.I'm old enough to remember his resigation speech.He was clearly way out of his depth as President.

Sorry haven't got time to do any net research.Too busy visiting Colombia.

 

[maninasuitcase]

It was his wife, Lady Bird, who bought the radio and TV station. He just used his postiin to pressure people to deregulate. The family later sold it for over $ 100m.

Here is an absolute fact a Texas Grand Jury has officially indicated and found LBJ guilty as a co-conspirator in 9 murders including his own sister and her boyfriend.

Look up a man called Malcom “Mac” Wallace. Who was caught and pleaded guilty to one of the murders in Texas in the 1950’s...... 11 of the jury voted for the death penalty and 1 for life......Have a guess what happened?

Your absolute fact is not actually true. Please post up some evidence, I can remember asking that from you many times Rigsby but don't recall you actually doing it.

 

[rigsby]

Your absolute fact is not actually true. Please post up some evidence, I can remember asking that from you many times Rigsby but don't recall you actually doing it.

You may have heard of a thing called google, or similar...... Just type in the following...LBJ grand jury......it’s not difficult.

 

[maninasuitcase]

You may have heard of a thing called google, or similar...... Just type in the following...LBJ grand jury......it’s not difficult.

You claimed it as fact yet offer no proof as usual.

If it is so easy to find, post up a link from a reliable source.

 

[maninasuitcase]

Oh well, another post Rigsby can't back up. I will put it in the tray marked Rigsby makes stuff up, it's rather large and over flowing now.

 

[Seasick Steve]

Trump (noun): a fetid belch of rectal air, whose release is unwelcome in polite society.

Like it, Also, Originally trump implied a deceptive form of victory involving cheating, but that sense has been largely lost, though it's still around in the term trumped up, meaning something that's been falsely made up.

 

[maninasuitcase]

Like it, Also, Originally trump implied a deceptive form of victory involving cheating, but that sense has been largely lost, though it's still around in the term trumped up, meaning something that's been falsely made up.

Very apt, a bit like Rigby's posts that have been falsely made up.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

You may have heard of a thing called google, or similar...... Just type in the following...LBJ grand jury......it’s not difficult.

Your grip on the concept of ‘fact’ seems somewhat tenuous, Riggers.

Indeed, so much so that I am minded to paraphrase one of favourite speeches, in that there is some difficulty in justifiably assigning the epithet you applied to the statement, inasmuch as the precise correlation between the information you communicated and the facts, insofar as they can be determined and demonstrated, is such as to cause epistemological problems of sufficient magnitude as to lay upon the logical and semantic resources of the English language a heavier burden than they can reasonably be expected to bear.

Pick the bones out of that

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

And yes, that was Sir Humphrey:

 

[maninasuitcase]

You may have heard of a thing called google, or similar...... Just type in the following...LBJ grand jury......it’s not difficult.

It seems it is too difficult for you to post up a link. You have had a couple of days to do it. The reason you can't do it is because it isn't true, you are a serial liar.

 

[Bielzibubz]

THE ESTES DOCUMENTS
In 1961, Henry Marshall was found shot to death on his remote Texas farm. He had been shot five times with a .22 caliber rifle and, since the rifle was lying beside his body, the coroner had no problem coming up with the probable scenario: Suicide. The only problem was the type of rifle - it was a bolt-action, and in non-shooter lay man's terms, this simply meant that Marshall would had to have manually worked the bolt four times (up, back, forward, down, fire - up, back, forward, down, fire, etc.) in order to shoot himself. At the same time he would have had to turn the rifle around at an awkward angle, pointing it into his side, stretching his arm and squeezing off each shot with his thumb. Five times. In addition to the obvious difficulties for a man to have committed suicide in this fashion, were the outcries of Marshall's family, who fervently disagreed with the suicide verdict. There appeared to be no good reason for Marshall, a successful farmer, with money in the bank and a solid record with his employer, the U. S. Department of Agriculture, to have committed suicide. But despite the strange appearance of things, the cause of death was officially listed as suicide by gunshot.
Things started to change a few months later when Secretary of Agriculture, Orville Freeman, released information pertaining to an investigation that Marshall had been participating in at the time of his death.
Billie Sol Estes, now known as the Texas wheeler-dealer and con-man supreme was, in 1961, at the peak of his agricultural career. He had become a multimillionaire and a virtual icon in Pecos, Texas. His success was due, in great part, by his solid connections in government - and one of his primary connections was Vice President Lyndon Johnson. Things started to fall apart when Estes' cotton allotment scheme began to be scrutinized by Agriculture officials. Estes had master minded a bizarre method of having the government transfer other farmer's cotton allotments to his own cotton acreage. In this way all of his land could be used to grow the tightly regulated crop. Such a scheme would have been impossible without help from high officials, either inside the U.S.D.A., or Washington, or both. Henry Marshall, in reviewing the cotton allotment irregularities connected with Billy Sol Estes, evidently uncovered a warm path that led to Vice President Johnson, but also to his own untimely death.
Billie Sol went to trial and then prison, never once breathing the name of Lyndon Johnson - until his release in 1984. A Texas Ranger, Clint Peoples, had befriended Estes and convinced him that he should come clean with the whole truth. True to his word, Estes agreed to appear before a Robertson County grand jury and clear the record concerning the cotton allotments, the death of Henry Marshall and the involvement of LBJ and others.
He recounted the whole ugly picture - from the millions he had funnelled into Johnson's secret slush fund, to the illegal cotton allotment scheme, to the murder of Henry Marshall. Estes testified that Lyndon Johnson, Cliff Carter, Malcolm Wallace and himself met several times to discuss the issue of the "loose cannon" - Henry Marshall. Marshall had refused a LBJ-arranged promotion to Washington headquarters, and it was feared that he was about to talk. Johnson, according to Estes finally said, "Get rid of him," and Malcolm "Mac" Wallace was given the assignment. According to testimony, Wallace followed Marshall to a remote area of his farm and beat him nearly unconscious. Then while trying to asphyxiate him with exhaust from Marshall's pickup truck, Wallace thought he heard someone approaching the scene, and hastily grabbed a rifle which customarily rested in the window rack of the truck. Quickly pumping five shots into Marshall's body, Wallace fled the scene. Suicide.
That 1984 grand jury testimony accomplished only one official action. Marshall's death certificate was finally changed to read: "Cause of death - murder by gunshot." All of the guilty participants were dead - Johnson, Carter and Wallace. The only one left was Estes, and the U. S. Justice Department, getting wind of the Robertson grand jury testimony, wanted to talk to him.
A letter was sent to Estes, requesting a meeting with him to discuss the provocative charges he had made. Estes enlisted the legal services of Douglas Caddy to represent him in the matter. Caddy then wrote a letter to the Justice Department asking for the protection of immunity, among other things for his client. In his letter, Caddy outlined far more than the Justice Dept. had bargained for. In addition to the crimes Estes had testified to for the Robertson County grand jury, Estes listed seven more murders directly linked to Lyndon Johnson, one of them being that of President John F. Kennedy; and all of them at the hand of Malcolm Wallace.
After many months of negotiating at the highest levels of the Justice Department, Estes refused to testify to federal officials regarding the details of these crimes of the 1960's. We are still awaiting the day when Billie Sol, now 71, will testify to these details.
A few months after the November, 1995 release of our book: "THE MEN ON THE SIXTH FLOOR," I received two of these letters of negotiation, from two different sources. The content of these letters was startling. These letters have never been released to the public and since they are private negotiations between the Justice Department and a citizen, it is doubtful that they ever would have been released, even to the Assassination Records Revue Board, whose federally mandated job it is to examine and oversee the release of documents pertaining to the assassination of President Kennedy.
Here, for the first time, is the complete text of these two letters. They will be added to future printings of "THE MEN ON THE SIXTH FLOOR."
Glen Sample

LETTER # 1 - FROM JUSTICE DEPT.
May 29, 1984
U. S. Justice Department Criminal Division
Douglas Caddy
Attorney-at-Law
General Homes Building
7322 Southwest Freeway
Suite 610
Houston, Texas 77074
Dear Mr. Caddy:
RE: Billy Sol Estes
I have considered the materials and information you have provided to me in connection with your representation of Billy Sol Estes. I understand that Mr. Estes claims to have information concerning the possible commission of criminal offenses in Texas in the 1960's and that he is willing to reveal that information at this time. I also understand that Mr. Estes wants several things in exchange for this information, such as a pardon for the offenses for which he has been convicted and immunity from any further prosecution among other things.
Before we can engage in any further discussions concerning Mr. Estes' cooperation or enter into any agreement with Mr. Estes we must know the following things: (1) the information, including the extent of corroborative evidence, that Mr. Estes has about each of the events that may be violations of criminal law; (2) the sources of his information; and (3) the extent of his involvement, if any, in each of those events or any subsequent cover-ups. Until we have detailed information concerning these three things we can not determine whether any violations of federal criminal law occurred which are within our jurisdiction to investigate and prosecute and, if so, whether the information is credible and otherwise warrants investigation. Accordingly, if we are to proceed with meaningful discussions concerning Mr. Estes' proffered cooperation, we must receive a detailed and specific written offer of proof from you setting forth the information noted above. The government will hold your offer of proof in strictest confidence and will not make any use of it other than to determine the credibility of the proffered information and whether it warrants further discussions with or debriefings of Mr. Estes.
I must make sure that several things are understood at this time concerning Mr. Estes' proffered cooperation. First, if after reviewing your offer of proof we decide the information that Mr. Estes can provide is credible and in all other respects warrants further investigation -- a decision which will be made unilaterally by the government -- it will be necessary for Mr. Estes to be interviewed and to reveal everything he knows about the possible criminal violations. He will have to do so completely, truthfully and without guile. Second, it must be understood that the government is not now making specific promises to Mr. Estes except with respect to the confidentiality and use of your offer of proof as noted above. If it is decided that Mr. Estes should be interviewed, the extent of promises concerning the confidentiality or use of the statement or promises of reward or consideration to Mr. Estes, if any, will be determined only after we receive a detailed written offer of proof from you.
Above all else, I must emphasize that Mr. Estes must act with total honesty and candor in any dealings with the Department of Justice or any investigative agency. If any discussions with or debriefings of Mr. Estes take place after receipt of your offer of proof and if any agreement ultimately is reached after Mr. Estes provides a statement, the government will not be bound by any representations or agreements it makes if any of his statements at any time are false, misleading or materially incomplete or if he knowingly fails to act with total honesty and candor.
Sincerely
Stephen S. Trott
Assistant Attorney General
Criminal Division
LETTER #2 - FROM DOUGLAS CADDY:
August 9, 1984
Mr. Stephen S. Trott
Assistant Attorney General, Criminal Division
U.S. Department of Justice
Washington, D. C. 20530
RE: Mr. Billie Sol Estes
Dear Mr. Trott:
My client, Mr. Estes, has authorized me to make this reply to your letter of May 29, 1984. Mr. Estes was a member of a four-member group, headed by Lyndon Johnson, which committed criminal acts in Texas in the 1960's. The other two, besides Mr. Estes and LBJ, were Cliff Carter and Mac Wallace. Mr. Estes is willing to disclose his knowledge concerning the following criminal offenses:
I. Murders
1. The killing of Henry Marshall
2. The killing of George Krutilek
3. The killing of Ike Rogers and his secretary
4. The killing of Harold Orr
5. The killing of Coleman Wade
6. The killing of Josefa Johnson
7. The killing of John Kinser
8. The killing of President J. F. Kennedy.
Mr. Estes is willing to testify that LBJ ordered these killings, and that he transmitted his orders through Cliff Carter to Mac Wallace, who executed the murders. In the cases of murders nos. 1-7, Mr. Estes' knowledge of the precise details concerning the way the murders were executed stems from conversations he had shortly after each event with Cliff Carter and Mac Wallace.
In addition, a short time after Mr. Estes was released from prison in 1971, he met with Cliff Carter and they reminisced about what had occurred in the past, including the murders. During their conversation, Carter orally compiled a list of 17 murders which had been committed, some of which Mr. Estes was unfamiliar. A living witness was present at that meeting and should be willing to testify about it. He is Kyle Brown, recently of Houston and now living in Brady, Texas.
Mr. Estes, states that Mac Wallace, whom he describes as a "stone killer" with a communist background, recruited Jack Ruby, who in turn recruited Lee Harvey Oswald. Mr. Estes says that Cliff Carter told him that Mac Wallace fired a shot from the grassy knoll in Dallas, which hit JFK from the front during the assassination.
Mr. Estes declares that Cliff Carter told him the day Kennedy was killed, Fidel Castro also was supposed to be assassinated and that Robert Kennedy, awaiting word of Castro's death, instead received news of his brother's killing.
Mr. Estes says that the Mafia did not participate in the Kennedy assassination but that itparticipation was discussed prior to the event, but rejected by LBJ, who believed if the Mafia were involved, he would never be out from under its blackmail.
Mr. Estes asserts that Mr. Ronnie Clark, of Wichita, Kansas, has attempted on several occasions to engage him in conversation. Mr. Clark, who is a frequent visitor to Las Vegas, has indicated in these conversations a detailed knowledge corresponding to Mr. Estes' knowledge of the JFK assassination. Mr. Clark claims to have met with Mr. Jack Ruby a few days prior to the assassination, at which time Kennedy's planned murder was discussed.
Mr. Estes declares that discussions were had with Jimmy Hoffa concerning having his aide, Larry Cabell, kill Robert Kennedy while the latter drove around in his convertible.
Mr. Estes has records of his phone calls during the relevant years to key persons mentioned in the foregoing account.
II. The Illegal Cotton Allotments
Mr. Estes desires to discuss the infamous illegal cotten allotment schemes in great detail. He has recordings made at the time of LBJ, Cliff Carter and himself discussing the scheme. These recordings were made with Cliff Carter's knowledge as a means of Carter and Estes protecting them selves should LBJ order their deaths.
Mr. Estes believes these tape recordings and the rumors of other recordings allegedly in his possession are the reason he has not been murdered.
III. Illegal Payoffs
Mr. Estes is willing to disclose illegal payoff schemes, in which he collected and passed on to Cliff Carter and LBJ millions of dollars. Mr. Estes collected payoff money on more than one occasion from George and Herman Brown of Brown and Root, which was delivered to LBJ.
In your letter of May 29, 1984, you request "(1) the information, including the extent of corroborative evidence, that Mr. Estes sources of his information, and (3) the extent of his involvement, if any, in each of those events or any subsequent cover-ups."
In connection with Item # 1, I wish to declare, as Mr. Estes' attorney, that Mr. Estes is prepared without reservation to provide all the information he has. Most of the information contained in this letter I obtained from him yesterday for the first time. While Mr. Estes has been pre-occupied by this knowledge almost every day for the last 22 years, it was not until we began talking yesterday that he could face up to disclosing it to another person. My impression from our conversation yesterday is that Mr. Estes, in the proper setting, will be able to recall and orally recount a criminal matters. It is also my impression that his interrogation in such a setting will elicit additional corroborative evidence as his memory is stimulated.
In connection with your Item #2, Mr. Estes has attempted in this letter to provide his sources of information.
In connection with your Item #3, Mr. Estes states that he never participated in any of the murders. It may be alleged that he participated in subsequent cover-ups. His response to this is that had he conducted himself any differently, he, too, would have been a murder victim.
Mr. Estes wishes to confirm that he will abide by the conditions set forth in your letter and that he plans to act with total honesty and candor in any dealings with the Department of Justice or any federal investigative agency.
In return for his cooperation, Mr. Estes wishes in exchange his being given immunity, his parole restrictions being lifted and favorable consideration being given to recommending his long-standing tax leins being removed and his obtaining a pardon.
Sincerely yours,
Douglas Caddy

 

[Bielzibubz]

LETTER #3 - FROM JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. These last two
letters were released for the first time on April 20, 1998


Sept. 13, 1984
U. S. Department of Justice
Stephen S. Trott
Criminal Division
Douglas Caddy, Esquire
Attorney at Law
General Homes Building
7322 Southwest Freeway
Suite 610
Houston, Texas 77074
Re: Billie Sol Estes
Dear Mr. Caddy:
I have received your letter setting forth the specific allegations of Mr. Estes concerning the possible commission of criminal offenses in Texas in the 1960's. While no opinions or conclusions can be drawn at this time concerning the credibility of Mr. Estes' allegations, it is apparent that a detailed debriefing of Mr. Estes concerning these allegations is warranted. Therefore, if Mr. Estes still desires to provide information and evidence supporting his allegations, it is necessary for him to agree to a detailed interview by agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. He must further agree to the following:
1) To submit to the interview under such circumstances as the government deems appropriate, including the use of a polygraph, in order for the FBI to be able to evaluate the credibility of Mr. Estes' allegations;
2) to provide any and all information he has and any and all evidence in his possession or of which he has knowledge concerning the matters set forth in your letter of August 9, 1984, and not to withhold any information or evidence concerning such matters;
3) to provide any and all information he has and any and all evidence in his possession or which he has knowledge concerning any other alleged criminal conduct which the FBI may consider to be relevant in assessing the credibility of the information which is at the core of this process;
4) to provide all such information completely and truthfully and to act with total honesty and candor at all times, omitting nothing of which he has knowledge that is relevant in this inquiry.
You have represented that with regard to the alleged murders, Mr. Estes represents that he never participated in any of the killings. If this representation is true and if Mr. Estes fully meets each of the requirements above, nothing said or revealed by Mr. Estes in the course of this interview will be used against him in a court of law. If the representation is not true, the government will be free to use this information against him as well as any leads derived therefrom.
Mr Estes has asked for other specific consideration in return for the information which he says that he possesses. Whether additional consideration will be extended to Mr. Estes and the nature and extent of any such consideration will be reviewed, considered and decided by the government after (after underlined) Mr. Estes has been interviewed. This decision will be made based upon our evaluation of the completeness and truthfulness of Mr. Estes' cooperation and the value and credibility of the information and evidence he provides. At the present time, Mr. Estes will submit to the proposed interview with no promises of any consideration whatsoever other than that nothing he says will be used against him in a court of law if he reveals the complete truth about what he knows.
I must imphasize that if Mr. Estes agrees to the conditions set forth in this letter, his obligation is to do nothing other than to candidly reveal the whole truth about the alleged criminal conduct. At all times, he shall tell the truth and nothing but the truth. Should any of his statements be false, misleading or materrially incomplete or should he knowingly fail to act with total honesty and candor, the promise not to use any statements against Mr. Estes will be null and void and the government will not be bound by any other representations or agreements it makes. Furthermore, any knowing or reckless untruthful statement itself may be the predicate for criminal charges against Mr. Estes if it appears that he has provided false information which implicates an innocent person in the commission of a crime or perjures himself while under oath or makes false statements to the FBI or otherwise violates any statute in knowingly making such untrue statements.
One final comment is in order. The government is aware that general public discussion of allegations of criminal conduct can have an adverse affect upon not only the investigation of the allegations but also the reputations of those implicated. This is particularly true whith respect to the present matter given the nature of the allegations and the fact that they concern persons who are not able to respond to them. Therefore, we believe it is particularly important in this matter, as in any other criminal matter, to maintain the utmost confidentiality concerning these allegations.
No additional promises, agreements and conditions have been entered into other that these set forth in this letter and none will be entered into unless in writing and signed by all parties.
Sincerely,
Stephen S. Trott
Assistant Attorney General
Criminal Division
Agreed and consented to:
________________________
BILLIE SOL ESTES
APPROVED
__________________________________
ATTORNEY FOR BILLIE SOL ESTES
LETTER #4 - FINAL LETTER FROM JUSTICE DEPARTMENT:
Nov.1, 1984
U. S. Department of Justice
Stephen S. Trott
Criminal Division
Douglas Caddy, Esquire
Attorney at Law
General Homes Building
7322 Southwest Freeway
Suite 610
Houston, Texas 77074
Re: Billie Sol Estes
Dear Mr. Caddy:
I have been informed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation -- which undertook to interview Mr. Estes at my request based upon your offer of proof and representa- tion that Mr. Estes desired to cooperate under the terms set forth in my September 13, 1984, letter to you -- that Mr. Estes refused to be interviewed by two agents who spent numerous hours reviewing Bureau files and who travelled to Abilene, Texas, from Washington for the sole purpose of interviewing Mr. Estes. Inasmuch as Mr Estes is unable or unwilling to agree to completely and truthfully reveal to us the information he has -- which was the only condition required of him under my letter of September 13 -- we have closed the priliminary investigation of the allegations of Mr. Estes We are compelled to close this matter not only because there simply is no credible evidence (no credible evidence is underlined) of any federal criminal offense, but also because of our promise to you in my letter of May 29, 1984, that we would not use your offer of proof except to make a decision as to whether we should interview Mr. Estes.
It must be evident to you and Mr. Estes that we do not take lightly allegations such as he made. The preliminary investigation of his allegations necessitated a substantial re-direction of resources of both the FBI and the Department from other serious matters. While we have promised not to make any use of the information revealed in your offer of proof, it would be wise for Mr. Estes to remember that he is on parole, and if he continues to make allegations which he is unwilling or unable to support, it is a matter which we will report to his probation officer.
Very truly yours,
Stephen S. Trott
Assistant Attorney General

 

[Bielzibubz]

I can find numerous sources of varying reliability on the accusations made against LBJ and his involvement, together with three others, in the assassination of JFK but nothing that corroborates an actual indictment. He undoubtedly was a very nasty and corrupt piece of work who had connections to some very unsavoury people but as I said. No mention of a Grand Jury indictment for anything.

 

[Member]

 

[rigsby]

It seems it is too difficult for you to post up a link. You have had a couple of days to do it. The reason you can't do it is because it isn't true, you are a serial liar.

jfktruth.org

 

[Bielzibubz]

jfktruth.org

Opinions, nothing more Riggers. Some will choose to believe, some won't. There was and still is no definitive proof and LBJ was never indicted. He was named, he was accused by more than one person, but never indicted and it's never been proved and as such remains no more than opinion. You could say how much more proof do you need and as you know I'm as sceptical as yourself about many official stories but that still doesn't take away from the fact it's your opinion, not fact. That's not say LBJ wasn't involved, moreover that his guilt or innocence, as the Estes papers show was never put to a Grand Jury to decide one way or another.

 

[maninasuitcase]

jfktruth.org

I asked you to post up a reliable source, you said it was easy but took over a week to find this! This is just someone's opinions, there is no factual evidence here.

I was expecting some links to a credible news agency like Reuters, not a person spouting nonsense in his bedroom.

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

So first the Saudi's claim no harm came to Jamal Khashoggi. The Saudi king gave Trump assurances of this. Trump last week said he believed the king. Now they say he is dead and that a fight broke out and he died in an accidental struggle. Trump now says this version is credible, even tho he was lied to the first time.
Yes he died in a struggle, but it wasn't accidental as the Saudi's claim. Turkey have been spot on in all this so far. They say the struggle was when he was being stabbed to death by many men. Trump is making himself look even more silly by even remotely implying he now believes the second bull s story. But then we all know it's more about the Billions that the Saudi's spend on American weapons. They are the USA's number one customer.