Poxy Equality and Human Rights rubbish!

[Napster]

Try spending 5 mins at a uni.

lecturers on strike again?

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

OK, let's substitute a different group in place of dirty foreigners, one that we can maybe all better relate to.

That's a bit of a tough one to respond to. Do you mean in relation to these "groups" of people or just generally? I know that our prisons have a pretty large proportion of often illegal immigrants male football fans inside. As a female, walking past a group of male non nationals football fans can be a terribly intimidating experience, even for someone of my age! I know that the appearance of a gypsy encampment a big away following close to your home will often coincide with a number of petty crimes and anti-social behaviour.

I've said many times before that I have no problem with peoplefootball fans choosing to live in this country if they integrate with opposition fans, the problems always arise because of groups of people who fail to do so for whatever reason. People who break the law arising out of their failure to integrate with opposition shouldn't expect to have the human rights that the law abiding public have.

Is that ok, or too general?

OK, so there's a proven history of trouble around football. Should people going to football face more restrictions (on what games they are allowed to attend, where they can drink) than non-football fans?

 

[OldBlueLady]

OK, let's substitute a different group in place of dirty foreigners, one that we can maybe all better relate to.

OK, so there's a proven history of trouble around football. Should people going to football face more restrictions (on what games they are allowed to attend, where they can drink) than non-football fans?

With respect Yorkie, I don't think that's a similar enough analogy. The report is talking about specific groups of people who are problematic in a way of their own choosing. While football supporters can undoubtedly have that pack mentality , they are, by and large I think, law abiding, tax paying members of the country. That is the major difference between them and the other groups - although admittedly I'm not sure that would apply to those who would be terrorists. What I was highlighting was yet another interference on behalf of groups of people who by their own design are anti social and behave outside of the law.

Do you ever go on holiday? You must be a nervous wreck all the time?

As to that, well, I understand enough French, German and Spanish to get by, I've never been to a country (apart from Russia with the school many years ago) where I've not been able to understand some of what's being said.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

With respect Yorkie, I don't think that's a similar enough analogy. The report is talking about specific groups of people who are problematic in a way of their own choosing. While football supporters can undoubtedly have that pack mentality , they are, by and large I think, law abiding, tax paying members of the country. That is the major difference between them and the other groups - although admittedly I'm not sure that would apply to those who would be terrorists. What I was highlighting was yet another interference on behalf of groups of people who by their own design are anti social and behave outside of the law.

Ah, but that's because you are a football supporter. I can guarantee that there are people who hold the same view of football supporters as you do of illegal immigrants and gypsies.

Should society curtail your freedom because you and your friends intimidate them?

 

[Gt Yarmouth Shrimper]

Isn't that a form of arrogance/paranoia to think they're talking about you?

If your wife came home one night and mentioned her fears to you regarding that issue, would you say the same thing to her. I hope you would emphasise with her point of view and trust her intuition rather than tell her she is arrogant or paranoid.

 

[MK Shrimper]

If your wife came home one night and mentioned her fears to you regarding that issue, would you say the same thing to her. I hope you would emphasise with her point of view and trust her intuition rather than tell her she is arrogant or paranoid.

I honestly don't know how to answer that question.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

If your wife came home one night and mentioned her fears to you regarding that issue, would you say the same thing to her. I hope you would emphasise with her point of view and trust her intuition rather than tell her she is arrogant or paranoid.

more likely to have that feeling about a group of men who were drunk than a group of men who spoke a foreign language I should think. Law of averages come into it again, you are safer around foreigners than you are around drunks, and at night there are more drunks than foreigners. Its perceived threat vs actual threat.

 

[Gt Yarmouth Shrimper]

more likely to have that feeling about a group of men who were drunk than a group of men who spoke a foreign language I should think. Law of averages come into it again, you are safer around foreigners than you are around drunks, and at night there are more drunks than foreigners. Its perceived threat vs actual threat.

This is not about you or your view ***. I am not talking about perceived attitudes regarding drunk foreigners or nationals. I am talking about trusting women and their instincts. If any woman had a concern about me and my behaviour I would instantly back away and respect her space. Always trust a woman in that regard. Fair play to you MK for your response

 

[Napster]

Its perceived threat vs actual threat.

Quite......

 

[Napster]

As to that, well, I understand enough French, German and Spanish to get by, I've never been to a country (apart from Russia with the school many years ago) where I've not been able to understand some of what's being said.

In which case you are really well-travelled and I bow to your worldly experience.

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

You being scared or something that didn't actually happen isn't a human rights issue.

There was a train crash in Poland over the weekend. Would you not now let your daughter on a train? Is this a human rights issue?

I was scared for my daughter. The Country was on high alert, with the media saying that another attack soon was likely.
I have been on the tube many times since.
Trying to relate the terrorists attacks to a train crash is pathetic.

 

[applelover]

That's a bit of a tough one to respond to. Do you mean in relation to these "groups" of people or just generally? I know that our prisons have a pretty large proportion of often illegal immigrants inside who have perpetrated crimes on or against women. As a female, walking past a group of male non nationals can be a terribly intimidating experience, even for someone of my age! I know that the appearance of a gypsy encampment close to your home will often coincide with a number of petty crimes and anti-social behaviour. I also know that the rise in British born converts to fanaticism, and terrorism in the name of Allah, is the biggest of these threats. What I feel and have always felt is that failure to pay your way in this country is the biggest problem we face, the rise of incapacity and inability to work, the exploitation of foreign workers which effectively deprives UK citizens of what should be well regulated but low paid jobs, the ability to "play" the welfare system etc.

I've said many times before that I have no problem with people choosing to live in this country if they integrate, the problems always arise because of groups of people who fail to do so for whatever reason. People who break the law arising out of their failure to integrate shouldn't expect to have the human rights that the law abiding public have.

Is that ok, or too general?

Up there with the most ridiculous posts i've ever read anywhere ever. Classic OBL!

You have a illness OBL. It's called paranoid anxious racism, a highly contagious virus. The virus is naturally occurring dating back to the origins of man. However scientists have discovered a new highly sophisticated, entirely man made strain that is thought to have originated from certain media publications and political movements. In recent times many people appear to contract the virus through internet forums. The virus transmits through 'fear fluids' shared when people indulge in unprotected ranting and scare mongering.

Luckily there's a cure that has a 100% success rate. Stop reading the daily mail and visiting either the zone pub thread or the evening echo comments pages and you'll be right as rain in a week or two.

I promise the world will look a much more welcoming place quicker than you can say "Islamic fundamentalsit".

 

[OldBlueLady]

Up there with the most ridiculous posts i've ever read anywhere ever. Classic OBL!

You have a illness OBL. It's called paranoid anxious racism, a highly contagious virus. The virus is naturally occurring dating back to the origins of man. However scientists have discovered a new highly sophisticated, entirely man made strain that is thought to have originated from certain media publications and political movements. In recent times many people appear to contract the virus through internet forums. The virus transmits through 'fear fluids' shared when people indulge in unprotected ranting and scare mongering.

Luckily there's a cure that has a 100% success rate. Stop reading the daily mail and visiting either the zone pub thread or the evening echo comments pages and you'll be right as rain in a week or two.

I promise the world will look a much more welcoming place quicker than you can say "Islamic fundamentalsit".

That's bollocks. And fwiw, this was not a thread about racism. It was about human rights being denied to groups of people.

 

[steveo]

Take integration - we will never integrate while we have faith schools, our children are seperated from other faiths and therefore other nationalities.

Who are "we"? Presumably the white english majority and you are quite right, while the ethinc groups remain as groups and take over whole areas, then there never will be an integrated society in the UK.

I think OBL was exasparated at the Humn Rights thing when it becomes more advantagous to be bad than good and criminals appear to be better looked after than victims.

 

[OldBlueLady]

I think OBL was exasparated at the Humn Rights thing when it becomes more advantagous to be bad than good and criminals appear to be better looked after than victims.

Well I'm glad someone seems to understand rather than cross examining me!

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

This is not about you or your view ***. I am not talking about perceived attitudes regarding drunk foreigners or nationals. I am talking about trusting women and their instincts. If any woman had a concern about me and my behaviour I would instantly back away and respect her space. Always trust a woman in that regard. Fair play to you MK for your response

Not sure how you thought my post was about me, but of course it was my view, all anyone is posting is their own view, no? But to make it about me for a moment, I spent a few years in my late teens / early 20's organising concerts and putting out a compilation album to raise funds for Rape Crisis. I have three daughters, eldest two are teenagers. I class myself as a feminist. So, despite my gender I do feel that my point of view has some validity. Facts are that sexual attacks are most likely to come from someone the victim knows and is very likely to involve alcohol. People that speak a foriegn language are no more likely to be a real threat than English speakers. If someone feels unsafe in any situation then I sympathise with those feelings but I stand by what I said that other things come into play that can create a perceived threat when there may not be an actual threat.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Who are "we"? Presumably the white english majority and you are quite right, while the ethinc groups remain as groups and take over whole areas, then there never will be an integrated society in the UK.

I think OBL was exasparated at the Humn Rights thing when it becomes more advantagous to be bad than good and criminals appear to be better looked after than victims.

by 'we' I meant everyone who lives in the UK, society. And I think faith schools segregate people from a young age and keep us from mixing. The Blair government was a big advocate of faith schools so I'm not following parties lines on that, I just think if we want people to mix then don't fund situations that keep us apart, especially something as fundamental as education.

 

[OldBlueLady]

by 'we' I meant everyone who lives in the UK, society. And I think faith schools segregate people from a young age and keep us from mixing. The Blair government was a big advocate of faith schools so I'm not following parties lines on that, I just think if we want people to mix then don't fund situations that keep us apart, especially something as fundamental as education.

And I agree with that entirely, it's bad enough with the local Catholic school next door! However, it's still not what this thread was about.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

And I agree with that entirely, it's bad enough with the local Catholic school next door! However, it's still not what this thread was about.

Do you work at Kents Hill? I was a pupil there. In the first couple of posts there were a lot of 'concepts' one of which was integration so that was one point I was discussing, wasn't trying to hijack anything, I'm quite gentle really!

 

[MK Shrimper]

Do you work at Kents Hill? I was a pupil there. In the first couple of posts there were a lot of 'concepts' one of which was integration so that was one point I was discussing, wasn't trying to hijack anything, I'm quite gentle really!

Follow my lead to a lovely new thread...... :happy: