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Angell Delight

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On the whole I don't think people need go overboard with negativity. We played an extremely competent side who in truth are the only team to have outplayed us so far and when you're adjusting to life in a new division (and in particular the Championship where the step-up is huge) that doesn't really bode too badly in terms of the future. I think it's pretty obvious we won't be in the top half but I personally am quietly confident we'll still be in this division next season.

POSITIVES:

* Both full-backs had decent games, Francis in particular who I personally thought was our MotM by some distance.

* Hunt looked assured alongside Maher, just unfortunate they came up against such an excellent midfield pairing in McPhail and Scimeca today.

* Ricketts looked very good when he came on. What's important for him now (and he probably knows it) is to shed some more weight as if we can get some of his pace back he'll be a real asset and a pairing with Eastwood will help Freddy's game no end. His touch is great and he never gave the ball away when he was in possession - there did look to be slight glimpses of a partnership between him and Freddy too which is very promising.

* Hooper looked extremely good indeed when he came on and had 3 decent efforts, two of which could have resulted in goals had it not been for good saves.

* In the long run this defeat may actually be good for us, it's a learning curve at the moment and to be taken apart like that may actually stop certain players resting on their laurels. How we react to this defeat is all important.

NEGATIVES:

* Peter Clarke - my word what a dreadful game he had. It's quite clear that he is a really solid defender as there isn't one Blackpool fan that didn't rate him extremely highly but today he had a mare. Maybe he hasn't properly settled yet - he's still living in the hotel apparently and maybe also needs to adjust to the Championship (although to be fair most of our players do) but we look SO much more solid with Efe in the side and hopefully he will now start at Derby.

* The defending for the 3 goals was abysmal and the centre-backs have to shoulder the majority of the blame for that. They just completely switched off for the 1st goal and while you may be lucky in L1/L2 you won't get away with that in this league. The 2nd was like a carbon copy of the 2nd Norwich goal last week too, awful panicky defending. The 3rd was unfortunate for Francis but as regards the middle Clarke and Barrett went missing. We've conceded 6 goals in our last 2 home games and the defending for ALL 6 has been nothing short of a joke - if that continues we'll be dragged into a relegation battle, if it doesn't we'll be comfortably OK at this level. Sodje MUST start though.  

* No width. At all. In the first 10mins JCR put a cracking ball into the box and then had another charged down for a corner and I thought to myself "Hello, we may be getting somewhere if he can keep this up" but sadly he didn't and they were the only 2 attempts at a delivery we saw from JCR all afternoon. There was no-one in the box when JCR put his only ball in today but before people come back with "our strikers don't get into the box so why should JCR put crosses in" they should think about the reason WHY our strikers don't get into the box for JCR and the reason for that is that balls never come in from him so they're not expecting it!! Therefore Freddy generally takes up his position on the edge of the box waiting for a possible ball inside from JCR which is far, FAR more likely than any kind of delivery. It is for this reason that we see the strikers getting into the box a lot more for Gower's deliveries i.e. when Paynter hit the bar today. To sum up yes we have no width - Gower is right-footed so always cuts inside (pretty predictable) and JCR never gets to the line. I just hope Cole does well at Northampton and comes back ready to challenge as if he does it'll solve a big problem for us - Cole left Gower right giving the side more balance and meaning more deliveries from the line which are far more difficult to defend against. It may work, it may not but it's definitely worth finding out as in general sides with width create far more opportunities in front of goal than sides that don't have any.

* Paynter - yes he gives 100% every game and he should be commended for that but he is NOT a Championship player. Now that's not his fault but everyone can see that when all our strikers are fit he should be 4 or 5th choice (given the way Hooper's been playing for such a young lad I would suggest 5th). The one thing that concerns me is that I believe Tilly is persevering with him over much better options due to the size of the transfer fee we paid - personally I don't give a stuff if we've wasted £200k on Paynter (it would be only Tilly's first error in the transfer market so I'm not gonna slate him for it) but the important thing is it's potentially costing us points and if we continue defending as we have those points could be the difference between survival and relegation at the end of the season. Another aspect that worries me is the complete lack of understanding between Freddy and Paynter. In effect it's probably been detrimental to Freddy's game as well and we NEED Freddy to have a good season if we are to do well, if Ricketts can get himself properly fit and a bit leaner not only would it mean we'd have a quality striker alongside Freddy it would also help Freddy's game a LOT. Eastwood's footballing brain is far superior to Billy's and he's too quick in the head for him - that's not Billy's fault but it's costing us without any doubt.

* The fans. And by that I'm not talking about the 99% excellent support this football club has, I thought the atmosphere in the West today was very good and the vast, vast majority got behind the team. No I'm talking about those who jeered Paynter off the pitch when he was subbed and also those who spent the ENTIRE game focusing all their energy into slagging off the referee and in particular the West Stand assistant. There was one guy in particular (West Stand Row F Seat 58 if it's anyone on here) who was an absolute disgrace to the officials and to a slightly lesser extent Paynter and in the end I informed him he might be better off supporting the side instead as I'd heard NOTHING positive in any way shape or form from him the whole game. Any season ticket holders around this guy have my total sympathy - there's no way I could put up with this bloke again. Let's get one thing straight yes the officials weren't the best we've ever seen at the Hall but we lost today because of our complete inability to stay switched on in our own penalty area and nothing else.
 
awful.. your not allowed to slag anyone off... it's agains the rules ya' know
 
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Quote[/b] (CS J @ Sep. 24 2006,18:46)]awful.. your not allowed to slag anyone off... it's agains the rules ya' know
You weren't there mate, this guy was unbelievable!! The woman sitting next to me with her young son said he was like it every game.

Anyway everyone knows what I think of Paynter/JCR as I've posted enough about it on here but I'd never jeer any player off the pitch PROVIDED he's given 100% and both Paynter and JCR give us that every week. Everyone's entitled to a moan and groan but I'll never resort to that.
 
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Quote[/b] (Angell Delight @ Sep. 24 2006,18:52)]Anyway everyone knows what I think of Paynter/JCR as I've posted enough about it on here .
hmmm... how comes you get away with it and not me..
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Quote[/b] (Angell Delight @ Sep. 24 2006,18:52)]Anyway everyone knows what I think of Paynter/JCR as I've posted enough about it on here .
hmmm... how comes you get away with it and not me..  
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Dunno maybe it's because I've never posted 3 or 4 in one day about him!!
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Or maybe it's cos I haven't posted one thread saying what a good player he is and another slagging him off as being crap!!!

I'll never understand you CSJ
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Francis did play well, one of the better performances we've seen from him. Hammell had some problems defending on the other side though- to be fair to him, Parry looked like a good player but it was a bit worrying at points.

I normally despair at Angell Delight's posts on JCR but that's a pretty accurate assessment of today. It wasn't so much that he wasn't crossing, more that he kept losing the ball before he'd got close enough to try... not really at the races today, McNaughton did a good job on him and had a lot of support.

defending really let us down today and we got punished- along with the talk of the Paynter/Eastwood (lack of) partnership, Clarke and Barrett look a bit shaky together too- both a bit fiery and might benefit from a calmer head alongside them- not sure if that's Efe, but i'd have him back in the team anyway for his aerial ability.

Cardiff reminded me of us last season in some respects- not many obviously outstanding talents but worked hard and were well-disciplined.

roll on Derby and a hopefully improved performance.
 
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Quote[/b] (CS J @ Sep. 24 2006,18:46)]awful.. your not allowed to slag anyone off... it's agains the rules ya' know
No - your not allowed to slag off Paynter or JCR!
(Or Flavs, cos you'll upset Wiggy)
 
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Quote[/b] (loz @ Sep. 24 2006,19:30)]I normally despair at Angell Delight's posts on JCR but that's a pretty accurate assessment of today.
Yeah contrary to what some may think I'm not anti-JCR for the sake of it it just frustrates me greatly when I see a player of his undoubted quality not using his attributes well enough for the good of the team. What I saw in the first 10mins from him was absolutely fantastic and when he put that tremendous ball over to the back post I got up and applauded him for it. I really did think maybe he would continue in that vein but it didn't happen, now whether that was simply because he didn't see enough of the ball due to their dominance which may well be the case or whether it was because those crosses (including the one blocked for the corner) were "flashes in the pan" from JCR I really don't know but I really hope it's the former as if he can beat his man ONCE and get balls in like the first 10mins not only will he be one of the very best players we've got he'll also be one of my favourite players without doubt. He looks great with the ball at his feet, he has lightning pace and trickery and he works extremely hard and if we could get a regular end product out of him he'd be one of the first names on the teamsheet every week if I were Tilly. If he started doing this regularly the strikers will soon cotton on and get in the box for a delivery.

I came on here 2 weeks ago and admitted my initial judgement was wrong about Harrold, on JCR I don't believe my initial judgement is wrong (just my opinion) but I'd love for JCR to make me change my mind by doing exactly what he did for the first part of today on a regular basis.

In terms of Paynter yes I've been frustrated with him but not as much as I have been with JCR for the simple reason that JCR has so much ability that he hasn't been using in the right way for the team and the frustration comes from knowing he could give so much more if he just did what a winger should - with Paynter it's different as it's very hard to get that frustrated by a player who (like JCR) gives his all every week but probably doesn't have much more ability than we're seeing at the moment.
 
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Quote[/b] (Andu @ Sep. 24 2006,21:33)]Oh, and Angell Delight thats the best post I've seen all week!
Cheers mate (and Southendsleeper too) - probably the longest post I've ever made so I expected there to be even more for people to question but it's nice to know there were others who saw the game as I did.
 
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Quote[/b] (Angell Delight @ Sep. 24 2006,21:40)]
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Quote[/b] (Andu @ Sep. 24 2006,21:33)]Oh, and Angell Delight thats the best post I've seen all week!
Cheers mate (and Southendsleeper too) - probably the longest post I've ever made so I expected there to be even more for people to question but it's nice to know there were others who saw the game as I did.
Yep, pretty much as I saw it today.
The atmospere in the South upper was reasonable today, it always gets lively when there is a ref to abuse.
I was a little suprised at the number of people in the South upper booing when Paynter got subbed, although I am not surprised it happened as I predicted this earlier in the week.
Possibly its because the South upper saw Paynters goal on Tuesday close up, as it hit at least 1 defender before being pushed in the net by the Brighton goalie.

You probably will not get any abuse until tomorrow as half the board will be in bed by now, after all its a school day tomorrow!
 
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Quote[/b] (Angell Delight @ Sep. 24 2006,18:44)]POSITIVES:

* Both full-backs had decent games, Francis in particular who I personally thought was our MotM by some distance.
Sorry for a negative post but got to disagree with both full backs having decent games, personally i thought Francis was awful today, caught out of position numerous times and always seems to be strolling back rather than busting a gut to get back goalside.
 
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Quote[/b] (dloman @ Sep. 24 2006,23:03)]
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Quote[/b] (Angell Delight @ Sep. 24 2006,18:44)]POSITIVES:

* Both full-backs had decent games, Francis in particular who I personally thought was our MotM by some distance.
Sorry for a negative post but got to disagree with both full backs having decent games, personally i thought Francis was awful today, caught out of position numerous times and always seems to be strolling back rather than busting a gut to get back goalside.
Fair enough, everyone's got their own opinion and everyone's different. I can only say for me personally I can recall on 3 or 4 occasions in the 1st half in particular Francis got in perfectly timed tackles winning the ball cleanly whilst keeping it in play and then coming out with it. I thought his distribution and link-up with JCR on the right was pretty good too. For his first half performance alone I'd have given him our MotM (although I think the Sky commentators got that particular accolade spot on with McPhail).

For me the problems lie in the centre and not the full-back positions (though both are prone to occasional lapses I must admit).
 
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What the....? Oh, conscious now.

Obviously the Paynter/JCR disagreement is a given but I would say you're almost exactly spot on with everything else you've written. In fact, the level of agreement I have about everything else is striking.

I can only assume that either:

a) you were wronged by a Jamaican decorator in a previous life.
b) I got a really good deal from a Jamaican decorator in a previous life
c) we have very, very different methods of analysing bustlig centre forwards and tricky wingers

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For now, though, I'm going to enjoy this spell of agreeing with your very well constructed post.
 
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Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ Sep. 24 2006,23:52)]<sufcintheprem falls off his chair in amazement>



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What the....? Oh, conscious now.

Obviously the Paynter/JCR disagreement is a given but I would say you're almost exactly spot on with everything else you've written.  In fact, the level of agreement I have about everything else is striking.

I can only assume that either:

a) you were wronged by a Jamaican decorator in a previous life.
b) I got a really good deal from a Jamaican decorator in a previous life
c) we have very, very different methods of analysing bustlig centre forwards and tricky wingers

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For now, though, I'm going to enjoy this spell of agreeing with your very well constructed post.
Cheers  
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Yeah you know my feelings on JCR/Paynter we've discussed it enough. Like I said in another thread I'm embarrassed to be part of a set of fans who boo one of their own off the pitch when he is subbed especially as (like JCR) he's given everything for us on the pitch. Unfortunately like I said I just don't think Paynter's got much more to give us than what we've seen and that's not his fault but I just don't think he should be in the side at this moment in time.

With JCR when he did what he did in the opening part of today's game I was up off my seat applauding him and at that stage I thought he was fantastic. Obviously different people are going to have different opinions of what they think players as talented as JCR should be giving to the team, some will be happy with his performances so far this season and others won't and that's fine in my book I might not always agree with someone's opinion but I'll still respect it. I'm not averse to changing my mind on JCR though (as I did with Harrold) and today I saw flashes of what he COULD give to us from here on and that's something I never thought I'd see before today. I just hope he can start doing that on a regular basis cos if he does he has to be in the X1. I can understand why some people on here might think I just don't like JCR and am just looking for things to criticise him on but I assure you that's not the case at all (unlike a certain wiggy with Gutts) - anyone who puts in their absolute maximum for Southend United gets my vote, he's just been a frustrating player to watch at times for someone with his talent (though like I said I saw glimpses today that give me hope JCR could be a very important player in our future and that's a great sign).
 
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Quote[/b] (Angell Delight @ Sep. 24 2006,23:47)]
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Quote[/b] (dloman @ Sep. 24 2006,23:03)]
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Quote[/b] (Angell Delight @ Sep. 24 2006,18:44)]POSITIVES:

* Both full-backs had decent games, Francis in particular who I personally thought was our MotM by some distance.
Sorry for a negative post but got to disagree with both full backs having decent games, personally i thought Francis was awful today, caught out of position numerous times and always seems to be strolling back rather than busting a gut to get back goalside.
Fair enough, everyone&#39;s got their own opinion and everyone&#39;s different. I can only say for me personally I can recall on 3 or 4 occasions in the 1st half in particular Francis got in perfectly timed tackles winning the ball cleanly whilst keeping it in play and then coming out with it. I thought his distribution and link-up with JCR on the right was pretty good too. For his first half performance alone I&#39;d have given him our MotM (although I think the Sky commentators got that particular accolade spot on with McPhail).

For me the problems lie in the centre and not the full-back positions (though both are prone to occasional lapses I must admit).
I agree with Angell Delight. I thought that Francis was head and shoulders above any other Southend player today, both defensively and going forward. Very impressive performance from him.
 

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