Patience is a virtue.............

[Liam AAS]

Argentina won the world cup playing 4-4-2 but that's a bit tinpot

Yes, it's as simple as that.

 

[bluethroughandthrough]

It's posts like this that keep supporting mediocrity.

I highly recommend a great book called "quit".

The book is a social economics style analysis that quitting is actually a good thing.

The best poker players are those that challenge human nature's desire to keep going, spending good money after bad because they think things will change.

The football played and making the same mistakes over and over are clear examples. The challenges faced are well documented but "it's the same sh+t different day".

So as the author of the post said he doesn't care if we disagree so great you won't mind me sharing you are part of the mediocrity of putting good money after bad.

 

[Mad Cyril]

We need a signing to galvanise the team on the pitch. Its been a while since we have signed a player that has made a real difference to the team.

We seemed to have signed a few players that aren't up to the job.

 

[They Call It Madness!!!]

We seemed to have signed a few players that aren't up to the job.

Just out of curiosity, who? And why?

 

[RHB]

It's posts like this that keep supporting mediocrity.

I highly recommend a great book called "quit".

The book is a social economics style analysis that quitting is actually a good thing.

The best poker players are those that challenge human nature's desire to keep going, spending good money after bad because they think things will change.

The football played and making the same mistakes over and over are clear examples. The challenges faced are well documented but "it's the same sh+t different day".

So as the author of the post said he doesn't care if we disagree so great you won't mind me sharing you are part of the mediocrity of putting good money after bad.

The real value of a decent football discussion board is that there is no right or wrong, just discussion of different views and values. You think I'm part of the mediocrity of putting good money after bad, you may well be right, especially with the way my Missus spends it sometimes, but I'm still married to her after 49 yrs and as I'm not intelligent enough to know one way or another, I'll settle for not giving a toss and continue being patient.

 

[Holy Joe]

It's posts like this that keep supporting mediocrity.

I highly recommend a great book called "quit".

The book is a social economics style analysis that quitting is actually a good thing.

The best poker players are those that challenge human nature's desire to keep going, spending good money after bad because they think things will change.

The football played and making the same mistakes over and over are clear examples. The challenges faced are well documented but "it's the same sh+t different day".

So as the author of the post said he doesn't care if we disagree so great you won't mind me sharing you are part of the mediocrity of putting good money after bad.

Are you suggesting we should all quit attending?

 

[Fairport]

There is nothing wrong with the system we play, many teams win matches playing this way. We just lack midfield players who are prepared to shoot and also run beyond the strikers and defenders that can score a goal or two from set peices. This has been the issue ever since we have been in this league.

 

[Holy Joe]

I think we are massively underachieving with the squad we have, even with the loss of players to other teams, being a wrong un, injury.

I noticed it the last couple of seasons, other than the back to wall job last year when the whole attitude of the team changed when down to 12 men in a squad, and we started playing with a bit of fire, that we play incredibly docile, safe football. It will never result in us getting promoted.

Did Harrogate, Barrow, Bromley, Sutton and Stockport get out of this division playing side to side, one formation only, zero deviation football and have massive budgets - no, our management team have decided that's how we should play and our resultant position in the league is because of that.

Look at our squad, is it poor? absolutely not, with a change in directive and formation or reacting during an in game situation could we be doing better? absolutely. Kev is a Southend legend, he always be, but I don't think he will be the manager who gets us out of this division. He's the sort of manager you have if your a Aldershot and happy to sit in mid table, never really be threatened by relegation, maybe the odd flirt with the outside of the play offs - keeps you safe in the league for 20 years.

My point is, with the squad we have we should be doing a lot better, with players pushing forward at pace, attacking the centre now and again, switching up play when its not working, I believe the lads we have could challenge in the playoffs. Unless Kev changes his stubborn ways we stay in this division and at some point he goes.

I'm not convinced how strong the squad is. It's certainly small, and within it there are only a couple that other teams would bite your arm off for. Maybe half a dozen or so that would likely get another NL gig on a free and the rest may well struggle to get another NL gig. That doesn't strike me as a strong squad.

 

[bazzashrimper]

Patience is a virtue, or so they say, and if ever our coaches and squad needed some it's now. After months of rubbish off the field we have a set of new, caring owners, but because of the time it took to sink the rat, all our first choices for newbies had buggered off to other clubs, and nobody could blame them. Then along comes FGR to nab handsome Harry, Kensdale departs under a cloud and Kav Miley cops a long term injury. That has all been said before, but it did kick the heart out of the team. Bit by bit, things are improving with our defence rediscovering their duck's arse water tightness. There still some little leaks there, but it's coming on well. Our middle boys are blowing hot and cold, but again are improving, and Kav is edging nearer to fitness again. Up front is still sometimes ok and sometimes not so good, maybe Danny Waldron will add a bit more edge to the front line when fit.

All of that lot requires patience from supporters and the big question is have we got any? For my part I'm still patient as I believe that, given time, we will blossom into a very decent side. This season? maybe, next season? highly likely. It's so easy to wade into the squad and coaches when things don't go the way you want them to, but if you spend just a little time understanding why we are where we are then patience is not quite so hard to achieve.

I don't expect loads to agree with me, and frankly, I don't give toss whether you do or don't, but I do get ****ed off when folk decide that the reasons we are where we are add up to irrelevant when it comes to demanding improvements. I doubt very much if the players or coaches want us to do well, they prefer to get rinsed on a regular basis.

The important thing is that COSU seem to understand this.

 

[Southend Elvis]

Unfortunately I don't think it was Kev that got us moving upwards last year, for me it was the players, they were desperate to put themselves in the shop window, just incase the club went bust.
It was similar to Gareth Southgate and England, all he had to do is put the best players on the field, and they did the rest....until they came up against a good team.
This year Gus has got all the goals, which is a worry to me, because the rest of the team should be chipping in alot more, Gus is class, and will be offski in January and the others don't score because the setup is off.
So my patience is running thin as I see no real improvement every week, it's the same slow, dull football, as if it's being drummed into them to be slow and unadventurous.

I really do hope Kev starts motoring, but seeing the football we produce I'm not sure.

 

[Napster]

Are you suggesting we should all quit attending?

Well I've quit reading his posts.

 

[tommy tucker]

The new owners did say they would not splash the cash .Our last owner did not slash anything .All he did was to decimate the club and draged it through the worse time in the clubs history . HE almost killed our club single handed ..I for one are pleased that the club now has owners who has the club at heart . Yes things are moving slowly in the right direction . So i for one will giving as long as it takes to get the on the field squad right .

 

[londonblue]

It's posts like this that keep supporting mediocrity.

I highly recommend a great book called "quit".

The book is a social economics style analysis that quitting is actually a good thing.

The best poker players are those that challenge human nature's desire to keep going, spending good money after bad because they think things will change.

The football played and making the same mistakes over and over are clear examples. The challenges faced are well documented but "it's the same sh+t different day".

So as the author of the post said he doesn't care if we disagree so great you won't mind me sharing you are part of the mediocrity of putting good money after bad.

One of those mistakes being to change managers too regularly. People that want to change a manager who hasn't been given a fair crack yet are not just part of the problem, they're the biggest obstacle to long term progress. I'd be very surprised if the author of a book would argue that quitting when you haven't been given the resources to do your job properly (yet) would benefit anyone.

(I might change my mind when I feel that KM has been given the resources he needs to implement the things he wants. Up until now the shadow of RM hangs over everything this club does. I would argue that the best we can hope for is a play off place. Next season, ceteris paribus, I would hope for a lot better.)

 

[SeldomSeenShrimper]

Patience is a virtue, or so they say, and if ever our coaches and squad needed some it's now. After months of rubbish off the field we have a set of new, caring owners, but because of the time it took to sink the rat, all our first choices for newbies had buggered off to other clubs, and nobody could blame them. Then along comes FGR to nab handsome Harry, Kensdale departs under a cloud and Kav Miley cops a long term injury. That has all been said before, but it did kick the heart out of the team. Bit by bit, things are improving with our defence rediscovering their duck's arse water tightness. There still some little leaks there, but it's coming on well. Our middle boys are blowing hot and cold, but again are improving, and Kav is edging nearer to fitness again. Up front is still sometimes ok and sometimes not so good, maybe Danny Waldron will add a bit more edge to the front line when fit.

All of that lot requires patience from supporters and the big question is have we got any? For my part I'm still patient as I believe that, given time, we will blossom into a very decent side. This season? maybe, next season? highly likely. It's so easy to wade into the squad and coaches when things don't go the way you want them to, but if you spend just a little time understanding why we are where we are then patience is not quite so hard to achieve.

I don't expect loads to agree with me, and frankly, I don't give toss whether you do or don't, but I do get ****ed off when folk decide that the reasons we are where we are add up to irrelevant when it comes to demanding improvements. I doubt very much if the players or coaches want us to do well, they prefer to get rinsed on a regular basis.

Couldn't be assed to read all that

 

[Tommy2holes]

The thing that is irking me is we seem to have changed our game plan.

So much being said about transfer windows etc. We don't have one.

What happened to scouting the national league South and North etc. Paying nominal fees for the next top player.

GSM signed for peanuts
Kensdale the same
Cav minimal
Cardwell

I get that some don't work out but isn't this the system of recruitment we were told we were getting.

Then we sign mccauley Bonne who is past his best on big money.

Let's look at the best from the divisions below and get some exciting and growing talent.

Arguably cardwell, kensdale and GSM were our best signings.

We need to sign those players and make money.

Were is the magical John still conveyer belt?

Most NLN or NLS or below will not stand in the way of players progressing for a fee.

 

[The Original Tribal Chief]

A wise man once said:

'Our patience has its limits'.

It was actually Goebbels but it still applies.

 

[Mark Corrigan]

I'm really hoping that Kev can succeed as there's nobody else I'd like to see get us out of this league. He still has a lot of credit in the bank which I think we will all agree on.

One thing is clear, Kev knows how to build a solid unit that is hard to break down, the thing that he has still not proven is that he can create a team that is going to be free flowing and score goals for fun - that's what it required to get us out of this league.

Recent signings haven't been up to the standard of previous seasons, I was disappointed to see us move away from the model in place and sign players that you would've expected Phil Brown to pick up.

January looks like it is going to be a big transfer window for KM and it feels like it needs to be a successful one, lots will lie on John Still to produce the goods.

 

[Napster]

Ovid said: Perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim (trans: Have patience and endure; this unhappiness will one day be beneficial)

 

[Stuart W]

Football has always evolved and adapted, it didn't remain unchanged for 100+ years.

It doesn’t mean a club has to follow a current “trend” like a sheep. Watching football at a lower level with teams trying to emulate Manchester City by playing out from the back is truly laughable. You can more or less guarantee a loss of possession and more often than not it results in a goal.
In this case you could substitute “evolution” with “being fashionable”.

 

[Holy Joe]

It doesn’t mean a club has to follow a current “trend” like a sheep. Watching football at a lower level with teams trying to emulate Manchester City by playing out from the back is truly laughable. You can more or less guarantee a loss of possession and more often than not it results in a goal.
In this case you could substitute “evolution” with “being fashionable”.

So we haven't lost possession in the last 3 games - must be working