Pat Baldwin unsure on future

[EastStandBlue]

But this rather begs the question of who's going to take on AB at 3k for the remainder of his current contract with us? Nobody in the Championship I'd wager, where he didn't exactly cover himself with glory, and presumbably few, if any clubs in League 1, at that price.
Like it or not(and I do,although I know you don't) I suspect we're stuck with him for the length of his current contract.A bit like our forced marriage with the Chairman in fact, until the wheels come off the FF pipedream, of course.

I dare say a club in League One would be willing to take him on if his wage demand was around £2k. If we could negotiate a fee with a club with him taking home that kind of money, which is far more appropriate to his talents than what we're paying him at the moment, then I expect he'll take it if it's a Southern club.

As for your assertion that I want Barrett to leave, you couldn't be further from the truth. I want him to stay, just on a wage that's more suitable to our current predicament. It'd be farcical for us to pay a League Two defender to £3k a week and if you're arguing otherwise, I'd say you're deluded.

Barrett might bleed blue, he might love the club, but that doesn't entitle him to an inflated wage.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I dare say a club in League One would be willing to take him on if his wage demand was around £2k. If we could negotiate a fee with a club with him taking home that kind of money, which is far more appropriate to his talents than what we're paying him at the moment, then I expect he'll take it if it's a Southern club.

As for your assertion that I want Barrett to leave, you couldn't be further from the truth. I want him to stay, just on a wage that's more suitable to our current predicament. It'd be farcical for us to pay a League Two defender to £3k a week and if you're arguing otherwise, I'd say you're deluded.

Barrett might bleed blue, he might love the club, but that doesn't entitle him to an inflated wage.

See my comments above about his contract being freely entered into by both parties.
I once refused to take a so called voluntary 20% pay cut and have never regretted the consequences.

 

[Mad Cyril]

I think Tilson like the fact that Pat Baldwin sounds like an unlikely union of two well known soap characters - Pat Butcher and Mike Baldwin.

I predict Pat will be here next season and if we go on to sign anyone called Sinbad Well'ard my theory will be proved correct.

 

[EastStandBlue]

I think Tilson like the fact that Pat Baldwin sounds like an unlikely union of two well known soap characters - Pat Butcher and Mike Baldwin.

I predict Pat will be here next season and if we go on to sign anyone called Sinbad Well'ard my theory will be proved correct.

Could we ditch the bluebelles and have the squad run onto the pitch to a fanfare of trumpets, played by Sonia Fowler lookalikes?

 

[southend4ever]

in tight shorts and vests with pom poms?

 

[mfurok]

I dare say a club in League One would be willing to take him on if his wage demand was around £2k. If we could negotiate a fee with a club with him taking home that kind of money, which is far more appropriate to his talents than what we're paying him at the moment, then I expect he'll take it if it's a Southern club.

As for your assertion that I want Barrett to leave, you couldn't be further from the truth. I want him to stay, just on a wage that's more suitable to our current predicament (1). It'd be farcical for us to pay a League Two defender to £3k a week and if you're arguing otherwise, I'd say you're deluded.

Barrett might bleed blue, he might love the club, but that doesn't entitle him to an inflated wage (2).

1.What wage would that be then???.........and when and how often would you expect it to br paid?

2.Oh yes it does - it's his contract and is fully deserved.

If Adam's contract is inapprpriate for the club then this is the resposibility of the Chairman/Chief Executive/Board.

Criticise the correct target - not the guy who gives it his very best and turned down a move to the sheepshaggers where he would have been paid similar money on time - plus the odd win bonus.

 

[EastStandBlue]

1.What wage would that be then???.........and when and how often would you expect it to br paid?

2.Oh yes it does - it's his contract and is fully deserved.

If Adam's contract is inapprpriate for the club then this is the resposibility of the Chairman/Chief Executive/Board.

Criticise the correct target - not the guy who gives it his very best and turned down a move to the sheepshaggers where he would have been paid similar money on time - plus the odd win bonus.

You're telling me that you believe Barrett warrants a £3kp/w wage? in League Two?

 

[Beefy]

At the end of the day it's not up to Adam Barrett to be punished for a mistake that the Club made in offering him that contract. He shouldn't be obliged to take a pay-cut to stay here no matter how overpaid he is. He signed that deal at a time when he could very easily have taken a similar-sized contract at Colchester in a higher league but he didn't.

I don't know Adam but I'd be surprised if he wanted to leave and I suspect that he and his 3k a week contract will be here next season.

 

[Winkle]

You're telling me that you believe Barrett warrants a £3kp/w wage? in League Two?

Regardless if we all feel that "Barrett" warrants £3k in wages in league 2, the fact is he signed a contract with the club were both parties knew exactly what the terms and conditions were. On the other hand, having a captains role and knowing the financial restraints of the club perhaps he could sort out a deal if he could "Defer" part on the premiss that on promotion or if he leaves the club it would be paid in full, but he is not obliged to do anything.

 

[ElstreeBlue]

forgive me if I'm wrong, but Barrett got his new deal in the CCC, and so surely we SHOULD have negotiated some kind of relegation reduction?? It'd be madness if we haven't.

edit: appears he signed it in L1, but my point remains

Edited for accuracy.

We "invest" in players' wages. The more we pay, the bigger the "investment", so wouldn't it have been bad to reduce that "investment"? We "invest" far more than Yeovil (who aren't even in the same league as us) and Morecambe (who won't be in the same league as us by the time the new stadium is built).

Seriously, I absolutely agree. The only reason relegation from the Championship would have cost us £2.4m was if we didn't future-proof the players' contracts so that they get paid according to the division they're in (promotion = automatic performance-related pay rise; relegation = automatic performance-related reduction).

You'd have thought we'd have learnt from the mistakes in the late 90s. And if not then you'd have hoped we'd have learnt from the financial mistakes from the relatively recent Championship relegation this time round when it comes to financial planning for the club's long-term future after a possible relegation. However, that assumes you actually realised a mistake had been made over planning for possible relegation, and also you don't assume we're too good to go down in a season in which players aren't paid on time, there's a tiny squad, players have to be played out of position, you rely on the revolving door of loanees, the assistant manager is dispatched to be replaced by an absent assistant to the manager, the manager's hands are tied behind his back, the best player is sold and not replaced, there are transfer embargoes, uncertainty hangs over the club's future, and unhelpful public statements are made about the squad.

The easy answer for having a proper business plan for the club to be self-sufficient rather than continue to lose more and more money it doesn't have: plan for a possible relegation so that the club can survive and live within its means if the club does go down, and have a proper consistent squad of its own players that are paid what the club can afford to pay them in full on time every month.

 

[SUFCStu]

Would be a good signing if we could afford him.

But on his probable wage demands.... wont happen.

 

[GodblessArthurRowley]

I ask a simple question or two, is there anybody there? Do we have a team for next season?Who will come to our club? Thats three questions then. I do seriously fear for our club and the sort of players that will be playing for the club next year.
We have no money, we cant pay the players wages, we are in Div 2,who is going to sign for us?

 

[leeblue]

I ask a simple question or two, is there anybody there? Do we have a team for next season?Who will come to our club? Thats three questions then. I do seriously fear for our club and the sort of players that will be playing for the club next year.
We have no money, we cant pay the players wages, we are in Div 2,who is going to sign for us?

the play offs havent even finished yet, I would suggest chilling out, ther is going to be a long long list of unemployed footballers doing the rounds, we will get players in just a matter of what sort of budget tilly has to work with IMO

 

[leeblue]

oh and I dont think pat will come to us

 

[Shrimper93]

Fwiw I think he would be a great signing, I was really impressed with him when he was handed the captains arm band (although he was on loan from the farmers) the warm up before games he was encouraging other players (particularly JH). Considering he was on loan I felt that he was one of the few that was really up for the fight.

 

[mfurok]

Fwiw I think he would be a great signing, I was really impressed with him when he was handed the captains arm band (although he was on loan from the farmers) the warm up before games he was encouraging other players (particularly JH). Considering he was on loan I felt that he was one of the few that was really up for the fight.

You obviously didn't go to Bristol Rovers then.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

You obviously didn't go to Bristol Rovers then.

I thought he was all right against Stockport.Maybe that's his level?:)

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

You're telling me that you believe Barrett warrants a £3kp/w wage? in League Two?

Actually, I think mfurok was simply asking what you would consider to be a reasonable wage for a leading League 2 defender.That seems like a reasonable question to me.
After all,you've asserted that he could perhaps be unloaded for 2k at League 1 level with the club making up the difference in his wages.Frankly I don't think there's much chance of this happening but it remains a possibility I suppose especially given the highly publicised " There's the door" ruck that the Chairman and AB were supposed to have had last season.

 

[EastStandBlue]

A reasonable wage for a League Two defender, as far as I'm concerned, would be approximately 1.3kp/w based on having 18 professionals that fit within our designated wage bracket for next season.

 

[Onion_Bag_Dave]

A reasonable wage for a League Two defender, as far as I'm concerned, would be approximately 1.3kp/w based on having 18 professionals that fit within our designated wage bracket for next season.

I would hope they'd be a quality defender if they where on that much in League 2. That's how much things cost now days I guess.