Party Conference

[Rusty Shackleford]

Very true, unfortunately the majority of jobs created over the last couple of years have been of the first step nature and being taken up by people who would expect to be in fourth or fifth step jobs - that is the problem - unemployment reducing and those same people still being on the breadline.

Why do these people expect to be in fourth or fifth step jobs when these jobs aren't available to them? If they can't get them, then they probably don't deserve them. Their 'expectation' would be better described as their sense of entitlement.

 

[mrsblue]

Very true, unfortunately the majority of jobs created over the last couple of years have been of the first step nature and being taken up by people who would expect to be in fourth or fifth step jobs - that is the problem - unemployment reducing and those same people still being on the breadline.

Since time began there have and always will be those who only gain medial employment,That is life.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Why do these people expect to be in fourth or fifth step jobs when these jobs aren't available to them? If they can't get them, then they probably don't deserve them. Their 'expectation' would be better described as their sense of entitlement.

Your 'I'm alright Jack' attitude shines through. The point is not that everyone should be the CEO of ICI, the point is that of the jobs created recently they have been disproportionately low paid low security jobs and that is not a reflection on the people taking up the jobs it is purely a reflection on the type of jobs being created. I don't understand how anyone can be happy that people of all ages and experience have the option of Sports Direct or nothing. That is not healthy for the economy or social cohesion.

 

[Pubey]

Since time began there have and always will be those who only gain medial employment,That is life.

Absolutely.

However the point *** (snigger) is making is that there are people with talent, desire and ability, who only have the option of menial jobs because unemployment is high and the only real injection of jobs from the govt is low pay/low security work.

Reduce planning laws and get some housing developments going and that will help the jobs market, reduce the housing bubble, improve social mobility and **** off the NIMBY country-******s.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

Your 'I'm alright Jack' attitude shines through. The point is not that everyone should be the CEO of ICI, the point is that of the jobs created recently they have been disproportionately low paid low security jobs and that is not a reflection on the people taking up the jobs it is purely a reflection on the type of jobs being created. I don't understand how anyone can be happy that people of all ages and experience have the option of Sports Direct or nothing. That is not healthy for the economy or social cohesion.

Do you know why I'm alright Jack? Because I work hard. Social cohesion cannot be achieved by the politics of jealousy.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Do you know why I'm alright Jack? Because I work hard. Social cohesion cannot be achieved by the politics of jealousy.

And you seem to think you are the only one who works hard. Redundancies happen all of the time to people who work hard.
It is a worthwhile aim that there should be new opportunities created for people to work hard, achieve and improve themselves. Government should be working to create an environment where that happens. The current government is not doing that.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

And you seem to think you are the only one who works hard. Redundancies happen all of the time to people who work hard.
It is a worthwhile aim that there should be new opportunities created for people to work hard, achieve and improve themselves. Government should be working to create an environment where that happens. The current government is not doing that.

I don't think you've ever recovered from Mrs Thatcher taking your milk. I've been made redundant three times. Was it easy to go and get another job? Not particularly. Did I get as good a job as the one I'd lost? Not always. Am I whining about it and blaming the government? No.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I don't think you've ever recovered from Mrs Thatcher taking your milk. I've been made redundant three times. Was it easy to go and get another job? Not particularly. Did I get as good a job as the one I'd lost? Not always. Am I whining about it and blaming the government? No.

Redundant 3 times - same as me, I'm just fortunate to have skills that are sellable in the South East, not everyone is as fortunate. Each time I sued the company and they paid me out of court because I won't take **** from anyone. I also did all the work for 2 other people to sue the first company - one of them got a fat pay out and the other got her job back. We are all in this together as far as I am concerned which is why I want decent jobs for decent people.

Thatcher the milk snatcher - least of her crimes.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

And you seem to think you are the only one who works hard. Redundancies happen all of the time to people who work hard.
It is a worthwhile aim that there should be new opportunities created for people to work hard, achieve and improve themselves. Government should be working to create an environment where that happens. The current government is not doing that.

last time I checked we had free education up to age 18 (Labour brought in university charges) and countless other opportunities to better yourself - it's up to the individual how they want to live - if you want to work hard and better yourself you can.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

last time I checked we had free education up to age 18 (Labour brought in university charges) and countless other opportunities to better yourself - it's up to the individual how they want to live - if you want to work hard and better yourself you can.

Then feel free to vote for a party that is happy for an increasing amount of the working population to be employed in low grade dead end jobs. I'll aim a little higher for the populace.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Then feel free to vote for a party that is happy for an increasing amount of the working population to be employed in low grade dead end jobs. I'll aim a little higher for the populace.

Thank you I will. Perhaps the populace you care so much about and bless you by the way should care more about themselves?

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Thank you I will. Perhaps the populace you care so much about and bless you by the way should care more about themselves?

I suspect most people do care about themselves and those close to them and would generally vote according to how they think a party does or doesn't have their best interests at heart.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

I suspect most people do care about themselves and those close to them and would generally vote according to how they think a party does or doesn't have their best interests at heart.

No political party has anybody's best interests at heart, other than their own.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

I suspect most people do care about themselves and those close to them and would generally vote according to how they think a party does or doesn't have their best interests at heart.

So taking on this rationale, you agree then that most people who bother to vote disagree with your views? after all we have a Conservative PM.

 

[Pubey]

So taking on this rationale, you agree then that most people who bother to vote disagree with your views? after all we have a Conservative PM.

We have a population so disenfranchised with current politics (not surprising when the leaders are uninspiring and the government breaks numerous manifesto promises) that it's probably true that the current government doesn't represent the views of the majority.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

We have a population so disenfranchised with current politics (not surprising when the leaders are uninspiring and the government breaks numerous manifesto promises) that it's probably true that the current government doesn't represent the views of the majority.

But we never do - taking in all other party MP's and the vast numbers who don't bother to vote but moan there arse's off that "no one does anything for them"
The opportunities are there - up to you to take them.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

So taking on this rationale, you agree then that most people who bother to vote disagree with your views? after all we have a Conservative PM.

In 2010 35% of those who voted chose to vote Tory - not enough to form a majority government. We'll see what happens next year but maybe the quality of jobs on offer will sway some voters one way or another.

 

[superblue24]

In 2010 35% of those who voted chose to vote Tory - not enough to form a majority government. We'll see what happens next year but maybe the quality of jobs on offer will sway some voters one way or another.

I left school at 16 with 6 GCSE grade A-C. I was cleaning out bird cages at 17.... 17 years on and I work for one of the biggest law firms in the world earning a salary that makes "average earnings" look a dot on the horizon.

Did I ever blame the government when I was getting crapped on from great heights? No. Did I feel like I was in some way held back and unable to achieve the position I'm in now all those years ago? No Did the government have any role in getting from where I was to where I am now? No.....

I look on the jobs market today and see an abundance of jobs available in an array of sectors and fields. At the end of the day, each individual needs to prove that they are above a "low quality job" as you put it. It again comes down to the fact that you need to make your own way in life as David Cameron is not going to come knocking on an unemplyed persons house and say "Here you go Joe, I've just got you a job as a Director at Ernst & Young".....People need to prove themselves.

Unfortunately those who dont want to put in the effort or better themselves are not going to make it very far, and you're forgetting those walking liabilities who are simply too thick to be put in any kind of position of responsibility will never make it to anything higher than a toilet cleaner. But without toilet cleaners we end up with disgusting potentially dangerous toilets....So whilst low quality, it's still a necessary job.

Businesses are not charities, they need to employ people who will add value to their firm as they need to make money or they tend to disappear into liquidation.

 

[dloman]

Your 'I'm alright Jack' attitude shines through. The point is not that everyone should be the CEO of ICI, the point is that of the jobs created recently they have been disproportionately low paid low security jobs and that is not a reflection on the people taking up the jobs it is purely a reflection on the type of jobs being created. I don't understand how anyone can be happy that people of all ages and experience have the option of Sports Direct or nothing. That is not healthy for the economy or social cohesion.

To be fair under the last government unemployment at times was closer to 9% so on that basis there were fewer high value jobs and also fewer low paid jobs. So what would you suggest? Even less jobs and higher unemployment with further strains on benefits or at least more people working with opportunity to perhaps better themselves.

 

[dingleydangley]

I lived in a cardboard box, equidistant between the kerbs of the road. We broke our teeth on the gravel that constituted our main meal. However, I am now very wealthy and take no greater pleasure than publicly comparing myself with those less fortunate, irrespective of the environmental factors that affect their prospects.

Thank God for Thatcher and her spawn. That social cohesion stuff was clearly never going to work. Leave that to the charities. They're not businesses, you know.