Our next manager

[wally4pm]

Mr Bilic is currently available. Just saying......

 

[Leoblue]

If people don't like the topic then don't contribute, why turn a perfectly valid topic into a row yet again.

Because the site is full of falls and think we're a premiership team and should win every game... Every post is a PB out post which is now becoming boring.

I'd love for him to get us promoted and shut you lot up ,but I doubt it, you'll still moan as long as you have a hole in your arse.

 

[marlow17101032]

There will be no next manager we’ll for a couple of years anyway

 

[RHB]

If Mr Brown/Ron does not extend his contract then probably my vote would go for Coughlan with Coxy moving up as his assistant. obviously, there are loads of unemployed managers floating about out there, but they are unemployed for a reason and that pairing would know what the set-up is here, they know the players and could provide the fresh impetus that many think is needed. I did ponder involving Maher higher up the chain but thought better of it.

 

[Zeuss]

Someone I definitely wouldn’t want is David Moyes-nobody would!...oh hang on........

 

[Leoblue]

If Mr Brown/Ron does not extend his contract then probably my vote would go for Coughlan with Coxy moving up as his assistant. obviously, there are loads of unemployed managers floating about out there, but they are unemployed for a reason and that pairing would know what the set-up is here, they know the players and could provide the fresh impetus that many think is needed. I did ponder involving Maher higher up the chain but thought better of it.

Coughlan has been a great employee for the club and a passionate guy. Sadly, I doubt (if thinks if went wrong) he'd be slated because of his association with our current manager.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

If Mr Brown/Ron does not extend his contract then probably my vote would go for Coughlan with Coxy moving up as his assistant. obviously, there are loads of unemployed managers floating about out there, but they are unemployed for a reason and that pairing would know what the set-up is here, they know the players and could provide the fresh impetus that many think is needed. I did ponder involving Maher higher up the chain but thought better of it.

Please remember that Brown was unemployed for 18 months before Ron gave him a job. Brown was unemployed that long for a reason too

 

[Hawkwell Blue]

If people don't like the topic then don't contribute, why turn a perfectly valid topic into a row yet again.

A perfectly valid topic cleverly disguised as another thread slagging off our manager.

 

[RHB]

Please remember that Brown was unemployed for 18 months before Ron gave him a job. Brown was unemployed that long for a reason too

Yep, he was just waiting for the right opportunity to come along. As soon as he realised that you were here to advise and help him then he just had to join us, and he has never regretted it for a moment Webby.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

A perfectly valid topic cleverly disguised as another thread slagging off our manager.

So much like a thread that bangs on about how wonderful Brown is and anti Brown supporter hijack it. Here is a thread that is discussing what happens when Browns contract is up and the do Gooders come on and try to make people believe its an anti brown thread. The only people making it anti Brown are the actual Brown supporters.

How ironic eh

 

[buffalowolf]

Personally, I'd love to have a manager here who is connected with the club and has a bit of a feel for it.

A kind of Powell/Maher/Barrett combo. There's a blend there of experienced manager/recent ex-player liked by people/someone who is already working with the younger players.

In an ideal world and as a business sense move, developing our own players and bringing them through is the future. The issue is, as fans, we would need to be patient and possibly even accept dropping a level for the longer term gain.

Tilly was a great appointment, in the end. Initially he was keeping the seat warm for Ian Atkins, whose contract at Oxford was expiring, but he did such a good job that we stayed with him. He did have Brushy as an ally, like Webby did with Kevin Lock. Hence why a combination of the three mentioned earlier could work well.

Add to the fact that Coxy is doing his coaching badge, I believe and Anton would fit well into the set-up and the prospect of all these guys is quite exciting for me.

All in all, I think we should continue to bring through youngsters, but must be mindful of our league status, as well.

good post ,not so sure about the Powell/Barrett/Maher combo though ,but the Cox /Ferdinand sounds very interesting.

 

[fbm]

So much like a thread that bangs on about how wonderful Brown is and anti Brown supporter hijack it. Here is a thread that is discussing what happens when Browns contract is up and the do Gooders come on and try to make people believe its an anti brown thread. The only people making it anti Brown are the actual Brown supporters.

How ironic eh

To be fair, if Brown was as popular as he should be for what he's achieved here (in my opinion) then we wouldn't be talking about who the next manager would be. We'd want it to be him.

Bearing that in mind, - whilst this thread may not be anti-Brown per se - it's not exactly pro-Brown either, is it? You don't discuss someone's eventual replacement if you don't want them gone. It certainly invites the slagging off of PB by the nature and tone of the opening post. Nothing wrong with that by the way, as it's all about opinions. But don't pretend it's something that it isn't. YB is pretty neutral with the words, but the comments about the spending and the youth certainly fall on the negative rather than the positive.

I don't see any threads about "Our next central midfielder" and Lenny's contract is up at the end of the season as well. As is Oxley's I believe as well as several more people.

 

[Stan33]

Two's company ,3's a crowd ?����

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

The only time Ron went this way, he made his most successful appointment with Tilly.

Who he originally didn't want to appoint. It was only after he did so well while temporary in charge. Credit though he was a magnificent appointment.

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

Please remember that Brown was unemployed for 18 months before Ron gave him a job. Brown was unemployed that long for a reason too

He has achieved what he was appointed to do which was get Southend promoted from league 2. That's what Ron wanted from Sturrock but he failed.

 

[Shrimp and two veg]

Interesting that one of our very successful managers in Tilson failed elsewhere after us. Do we believe that most of these managers are more than capable, but, very much like players, only get it right sometimes and are to easily replaced by the next in the merry go round ? Are we into a good thing by Ron's thinking in that these managers should be given a few seasons to work their magic ? I was always quite proud of our club that Sturrock and Tilson for eg was given plenty of time to work some magic. I actually have faith in Brown to do the same, i think the ups and downs with Brown drive us all mad ! A streak of losses, nightmares with injuries, cant get a win, then a run of games with 3 points propels us up the table, its a nightmare all this ! But jolly good fun i'll add. On the budgets being spent, sitting in the playoffs possibly in December, i really feel that Brown will be prrforming miracles. Nope, i dont like the football too much, sometimes the players look like they couldnt get a game on a Sunday let alone pro. Other times they look a very organised and together unit who are a real force. If Brown does go, a motivator is needed to get the best out of players more often. I would say Barrett, alongside a shrewd fella in Cowley. Getting the most out of players continously at this level is important. If Phil could do that more often, we'd be right up there with the best of them. Its a fine line. Very fine. One thing for sure, if the clib get a good sniff of the playoffs or autos, the fans turn up in their droves all of a sudden, home and away, we get cracking support and i wouldnt be suprised to see us as the divs dark horse. Oh to be a Southend fan !

 

[mattitouk]

Good post that. :thumbsup:

I personally don't see Ron sacking Phil, unless we are in the relegation zone around March next year. As Sean said, Ron's record seems to be patient with the managers he's employed at the club. (just 3 managers in 13 years isn't really the norm these days).

Back on the topic of our "next manager", reading earlier comments about Maher, Barrett etc (as well as on the sunderland fans forum), ..would you lean towards an ex-player or someone connected with the club in some way in the past as a pose to another manager not connected with the club (like Phil) with a half decent past record? And I don't mean in a dream-world like Guardioula / Mourinho etc.?

 

[fbm]

Interesting that one of our very successful managers in Tilson failed elsewhere after us. Do we believe that most of these managers are more than capable, but, very much like players, only get it right sometimes and are to easily replaced by the next in the merry go round ? Are we into a good thing by Ron's thinking in that these managers should be given a few seasons to work their magic ? I was always quite proud of our club that Sturrock and Tilson for eg was given plenty of time to work some magic. I actually have faith in Brown to do the same, i think the ups and downs with Brown drive us all mad ! A streak of losses, nightmares with injuries, cant get a win, then a run of games with 3 points propels us up the table, its a nightmare all this ! But jolly good fun i'll add. On the budgets being spent, sitting in the playoffs possibly in December, i really feel that Brown will be prrforming miracles. Nope, i dont like the football too much, sometimes the players look like they couldnt get a game on a Sunday let alone pro. Other times they look a very organised and together unit who are a real force. If Brown does go, a motivator is needed to get the best out of players more often. I would say Barrett, alongside a shrewd fella in Cowley. Getting the most out of players continously at this level is important. If Phil could do that more often, we'd be right up there with the best of them. Its a fine line. Very fine. One thing for sure, if the clib get a good sniff of the playoffs or autos, the fans turn up in their droves all of a sudden, home and away, we get cracking support and i wouldnt be suprised to see us as the divs dark horse. Oh to be a Southend fan !

If Phil could do that more often, he'd be up there with the best of them as well!

I don't think being a Southend fan is hugely different from being a fan of any other lower league club actually. They all have highs and lows. Going on to the Walsall board after last weeks win was like being on here after a home defeat. Replace the player names, club name, manager name and the posters names and it is almost the same stuff being spouted, the same in fighting.

As for the managers, Tilly worked wonders because he was lucky I think. When he was appointed, I seem to remember cries of "Nooooo!" but he is the most successful manager in our history. Is that down to him or the blend of players we had at the time? He has to take a lot of the credit, but he failed incredibly at Lincoln and has been out of management for some time. I love the guy but love and passion isn't enough at this level.

I think a team of Maher/Powell/Barrett/Tilson is only a way to destroy the reputations of our legends and heroes. It is bound to end in failure as all managerial appointments do, certainly at this level.

Our best hope for anyone to take over from Brown is someone who can take us up (or at least not down) before they go off to a bigger club because - like our best players - if they are successful, they ain't gonna be staying here.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

He has achieved what he was appointed to do which was get Southend promoted from league 2. That's what Ron wanted from Sturrock but he failed.

Sturrock never had the funds that PB has been given. Sturrock had to go out and get players on a shoestring a week before the season started and those players kept us in L2. Had it not been for Sturrock we could easily be where Leyton Orient are now. If you want to thank anyone for our league standing then thank Sturrock.

Sturrock is and will always be a more personable human being than Brown. Sturrock has the respect of people throughout the footballing world, something that Brown will never have

 

[RHB]

Sturrock never had the funds that PB has been given. Sturrock had to go out and get players on a shoestring a week before the season started and those players kept us in L2. Had it not been for Sturrock we could easily be where Leyton Orient are now. If you want to thank anyone for our league standing then thank Sturrock.

Sturrock is and will always be a more personable human being than Brown. Sturrock has the respect of people throughout the footballing world, something that Brown will never have

I have no doubt that Sturrock has respect in football, but to say that Brown has none is a bit of a sweeping statement without any evidence to back it up mate.