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Squad depth is killing us, we played on through the busy period with virtually the same 12/13 players - injuries allowing. Whereas other squad can make small changes to their sides, we haven't been able to. There's been no respite for our XI and on these pitches it's drained us. Our side look shot to bits, and there's no-one to come in and replace them, well aside from unfit reserves and youth team players.

From the off last night Northampton had more desire and drive, the impetus was with them from the start, and it didn't take them long to suss our back three out, and they got behind them pretty quick three times before the corner that led to the goal. How we allowed Doumbe(sp?) to win the header on the edge of the six yard box from a set piece I don't know, part of me thinks they were too busy watching Corr and Diamond tussling around and got distracted. You could see there were still shades of Hoofroyd in them as well, they were big and physical, kicking lumps out of us, and using their physicality well. It's frustrating to watch a team like that, 50% because it's dirty and ugly, and 50% because it's frustrating your own side can't match them and looked like boys. Northampton won almost every aerial battle as well.

The ref it seems was poor for both sides, with him and his official bottling what seemed a nailed on red card, not giving one of the clearest hand balls I've seen in a while, and with the him being roundly booed off at half time by the home contingent. There was one point in the first half, down the left were he missed three fouls in the space of about thirty seconds, two from them, one particularly poor challenge on Leonard, and one by Phillips. This isn't me making excuses for our performances. We were very poor, and as we well know, luck and decisions desert you when you need them most.

We had a good 15/20 minutes after they scored, our goal was well worked and finished. But that was it really. Second half we never troubled the keeper, we had a warning the goal was coming too, when they opened us up with ease, only for the goalscorer to foolishly stray offside when he had bundles of space. But we didn't learn, Phillips was cruelly exposed for space, nous and ability for their winning goal. But what can we do, he's all we have?

Bentley, 6 possibly could of done better with the goal, but he had about 3/4 Blues (yellows) in the way.
White , 6 Solid enough, but struggled with Northampton's inside overlap taking advantage of the back three.
Coker, 6.5 Actually did ok last night despite the result still manged to get up and down the pitch, but again outnumbered at the back.
Phillips, 4 Struggles with a partner due to lack of pace and mobilty, putting him in the centre on his own was borderline cruelty.
Straker, 6 Spits and spurts an unusal average game for him. No sublime, no ridiculous.
Timlin, 6.5 Worked hard, ran well - one of the few players that doesn't look ****ed. Covered the full backs when they ventured forward and finished well.
Leonard, 5 looks burnt out. It's his first full first team season, and it looks like it's taking it's toll. With Laird playing well last night, maybe give the boy a rest.
Atkinson, 6 is neat and tidy, rarely makes a mistake, but sees so little of the ball. Last night he set up the goal well, but he just gets lost in games too often, it's a shame, if he worked harder to get involved, he could have far more of an impact further up the pitch.
Laird, 7 The shining light last night, he came back into the team and proved a point. Excellently moved the ball out wide to set Atkinson off to assist for Timlin.
Barnard, 5 Very little service, but looked off the boil when he did get the ball
Corr, 6 Like Barnard very little service, got little change out of Northampton's big man in the air. But unlike Barnard, he at least dropped back to try and see more of the ball, and showed how comfortable he is on the ball. Still looked shattered though, only shot of note was a powder puff effort straight at the keeper in the first half.

Eastwood, 5 First time he looked past it, normally his touch and vision is tidy and look a class above. Tonight he looked clumsy and unfit.
Hurst, 6 Dropping him in hindsight seems madness, he came on and imediately gave us more threat. Throughout the course of 90 minutes against Northampton, I reckon he would of fashioned out a couple of good chances, if not for others then himself. Hopefully this brief spell on the bench will be the kick up the a$$ he needs.
Williams n/a

Ref: 4 Poor decisions for both sides. Although two major ones for us.

We have the players with the ability to pull through this, but the question is whether they are too spent or not. Very rarely does a club rely on so few players, and it's massively taking it's toll on the side. Fail to see what Brown can really do to change it up. the saving grace is those around us aren't really catching form, gives us hope at least.
 
The 2nd half was woeful, looked like the players didn't care. Better team (by a mile) won.

Bentley - 5 - 1st goal he should claim. Bloke has headed it inside the 6 yard box. Distribution, poor again.
White - 5 - Didn't talk to his team.
Philips - 5 - Left so isolated in the middle by White and Coker.
Coker - 7 - Tried to make something happen.
Atkinson - 5 - I thought he had gone off at half time...
Leonard - 6 - Quiet
Timlin - 6 - Good goal
Straker - 4 - It's a joke right, he won his contract in a box of cereal or something. I've never seen a player who seems to have such a poor footballing brain. He game, when he doesn't have the ball, is shocking.
Laird - 8 - MOTM. No idea why we took him off. But we collapsed after he did.
Corr - 6 - Is shattered
Barnard - 6 - Running yes, but forgotten where the box is.

Hurst - 6
Freddy - 6

Brown - 1 - 3 at the back?! Are you mental?!
 
Seen the highlights and our defence looked all at sea. Not just for the goals as well. Crikey! Easy to Blame Phillips for the second but if his legs are gone then they're gone, not much he can do about his pace at his age. Looked like a right carthorse though. And the marking for the first goal was appalling, free header six yards out really is Sunday League stuff.
 
Love the abuse Freddy receives on here, think a lot of yous are either jealous of the guy or just have personal vendetta against him.
cant believe how much stick he gets on here for the defeats, ok if he started then fair enough but to blame the substitute time after time is moronic!
look at his stats at the beginning of the season, up there with the best strikers in the football league!
this is exactly the type of crap that I read on here that makes me feel embarrassed to be a shrimper, you guys are clueless

Sorry to disagree with you but you have stated the problem yourself. Freddy has been injured since the season started and has not returned to the same state of fitness since.
 
Is Auger still around? Just a thought...could've had a proper back 4 last night

He isnt a centre half, so no we couldnt, and if we wanted a back 4 Leonard could have gone in there easily enough with Laird and Timlin in the middle. (which would have made more sense than a back three)

When you are 7 games without a win chucking in kids doesnt sound like the best solution to me.
 
He isnt a centre half, so no we couldnt, and if we wanted a back 4 Leonard could have gone in there easily enough with Laird and Timlin in the middle. (which would have made more sense than a back three)

When you are 7 games without a win chucking in kids doesnt sound like the best solution to me.
To be fair, it's not like they could make the situation any worse!
 
The 2nd half was woeful, looked like the players didn't care. Better team (by a mile) won.

Bentley - 5 - 1st goal he should claim. Bloke has headed it inside the 6 yard box. Distribution, poor again.
White - 5 - Didn't talk to his team.
Philips - 5 - Left so isolated in the middle by White and Coker.
Coker - 7 - Tried to make something happen.
Atkinson - 5 - I thought he had gone off at half time...
Leonard - 6 - Quiet
Timlin - 6 - Good goal
Straker - 4 - It's a joke right, he won his contract in a box of cereal or something. I've never seen a player who seems to have such a poor footballing brain. He game, when he doesn't have the ball, is shocking.
Laird - 8 - MOTM. No idea why we took him off. But we collapsed after he did.
Corr - 6 - Is shattered
Barnard - 6 - Running yes, but forgotten where the box is.

Hurst - 6
Freddy - 6

Brown - 1 - 3 at the back?! Are you mental?!

On a treadmill maybe. Putting in all the effort but not actually going anywhere.
 
Thats what people seem to be missing when they are calling for the kids to play instead of the seniors, they actually could make things worse.


Well the seniors look as though they are wearing concrete boots where as the youth may ignite us to much needed wins,No brainer IMO let the youngsters have a go.
 
Well the seniors look as though they are wearing concrete boots where as the youth may ignite us to much needed wins,No brainer IMO let the youngsters have a go.

As I keep saying, different does not mean better.

We could just send out the Under 18's based on that and they would get slaughtered 7-0.

Players need to be ready for first team action, and when the rest of the team is struggling with form and confidence and the crowd is on your back thats not the best environment to just chuck youngsters in in the desperate hope they are better than a pro with 10 years experience.

Brown sees them in action and has a better idea of whether they are ready, better than what we have and whether they can actually make an impact.

Payne is obviously the most likely to do so and would like to see him given a start. Not so sure about Williams and certainly not about Auger.
 
Love the abuse Freddy receives on here, think a lot of yous are either jealous of the guy or just have personal vendetta against him.
cant believe how much stick he gets on here for the defeats, ok if he started then fair enough but to blame the substitute time after time is moronic!
look at his stats at the beginning of the season, up there with the best strikers in the football league!
this is exactly the type of crap that I read on here that makes me feel embarrassed to be a shrimper, you guys are clueless
the thread is about the match- what Freddie did at the beginning of the season is of no relevance to a match thread
 
As I keep saying, different does not mean better.

We could just send out the Under 18's based on that and they would get slaughtered 7-0.

Players need to be ready for first team action, and when the rest of the team is struggling with form and confidence and the crowd is on your back thats not the best environment to just chuck youngsters in in the desperate hope they are better than a pro with 10 years experience.

Brown sees them in action and has a better idea of whether they are ready, better than what we have and whether they can actually make an impact.

Payne is obviously the most likely to do so and would like to see him given a start. Not so sure about Williams and certainly not about Auger.
That's a bit of straw man there though. No one is saying send out the under 18s, they're saying that maybe different players could be used. Including one youth teamer is very unlikely to turn the game into a white wash. A squad is there to provide cover for players who are injured, tired or out of form. If these guys are part of that (Payne, Williams, Pinnock, etc.) then that's a legitimate way to use them.

Maybe we don't improve and still lose the game, but that's what our current form is anyway. But what it means, is that the player who is dropped gets a little extra rest and maybe a bit more motivation if their place comes under a little threat. That could help improve performances down the line.

Where we stand right now is that we are looking to change things up a little. Brown has tried to do this (unsuccessfully) by varying our formation. An alternative would be to change personnel (which in a squad like ours might mean playing some of the youth teamers). Playing them all would be silly, much like if PB had changed our formation to 1-1-8. Which he hasn't done and clearly won't do. Nor is it what anyone is suggesting.

PB is obviously in the best position to judge what is going on, and right now he needs to instil some confidence back in this side. For that we really need some wins under our belt, which leaves us with two real options. We stick with established tactics on the basis that our luck has to change eventually, or we changes things and try to make our own luck. Rightly or wrongly, the latter is the more popular option in the professional game.

We've tried changing tactics, which hasn't really worked, so maybe the next step is to start changing who plays.
 
That's a bit of straw man there though. No one is saying send out the under 18s, they're saying that maybe different players could be used. Including one youth teamer is very unlikely to turn the game into a white wash. A squad is there to provide cover for players who are injured, tired or out of form. If these guys are part of that (Payne, Williams, Pinnock, etc.) then that's a legitimate way to use them.

Maybe we don't improve and still lose the game, but that's what our current form is anyway. But what it means, is that the player who is dropped gets a little extra rest and maybe a bit more motivation if their place comes under a little threat. That could help improve performances down the line.

Where we stand right now is that we are looking to change things up a little. Brown has tried to do this (unsuccessfully) by varying our formation. An alternative would be to change personnel (which in a squad like ours might mean playing some of the youth teamers). Playing them all would be silly, much like if PB had changed our formation to 1-1-8. Which he hasn't done and clearly won't do. Nor is it what anyone is suggesting.

PB is obviously in the best position to judge what is going on, and right now he needs to instil some confidence back in this side. For that we really need some wins under our belt, which leaves us with two real options. We stick with established tactics on the basis that our luck has to change eventually, or we changes things and try to make our own luck. Rightly or wrongly, the latter is the more popular option in the professional game.

We've tried changing tactics, which hasn't really worked, so maybe the next step is to start changing who plays.


Beautiful post and I agree with everything you wrote.
 
That's a bit of straw man there though. No one is saying send out the under 18s, they're saying that maybe different players could be used. Including one youth teamer is very unlikely to turn the game into a white wash. A squad is there to provide cover for players who are injured, tired or out of form. If these guys are part of that (Payne, Williams, Pinnock, etc.) then that's a legitimate way to use them.

Maybe we don't improve and still lose the game, but that's what our current form is anyway. But what it means, is that the player who is dropped gets a little extra rest and maybe a bit more motivation if their place comes under a little threat. That could help improve performances down the line.

Where we stand right now is that we are looking to change things up a little. Brown has tried to do this (unsuccessfully) by varying our formation. An alternative would be to change personnel (which in a squad like ours might mean playing some of the youth teamers). Playing them all would be silly, much like if PB had changed our formation to 1-1-8. Which he hasn't done and clearly won't do. Nor is it what anyone is suggesting.

PB is obviously in the best position to judge what is going on, and right now he needs to instil some confidence back in this side. For that we really need some wins under our belt, which leaves us with two real options. We stick with established tactics on the basis that our luck has to change eventually, or we changes things and try to make our own luck. Rightly or wrongly, the latter is the more popular option in the professional game.

We've tried changing tactics, which hasn't really worked, so maybe the next step is to start changing who plays.

By all means, if you have better options in the squad, but changing for change sake into a team lacking confidence is just as likely to make things worse. We had a suggestion earlier to play 442 with Williams and Payne up front, thats basically relying on two completely inexperienced players to change our fortunes ahead of 3 experienced pros. How much confidence will that instill in the rest of the team ?

My point is that if a youngster has shown he is ready to play and is showing he is better than a senior player and will be able to have an impact then thats great. People just seem to be saying drop the strikers and play youngsters with no evidence they are any better than whats we are playing, pure grass is greener syndrome.

Payne has shown in the reserves he can make an impact and has done ok on his cameos so I can certainly see him getting a chance and more than happy to see him playing in an attacking midfield role. Williams also is being given cameos so cant imagine he is far off.

As you say Brown is the person who knows whether they are ready or not.
 
By all means, if you have better options in the squad, but changing for change sake into a team lacking confidence is just as likely to make things worse. We had a suggestion earlier to play 442 with Williams and Payne up front, thats basically relying on two completely inexperienced players to change our fortunes ahead of 3 experienced pros. How much confidence will that instill in the rest of the team ?

My point is that if a youngster has shown he is ready to play and is showing he is better than a senior player and will be able to have an impact then thats great. People just seem to be saying drop the strikers and play youngsters with no evidence they are any better than whats we are playing, pure grass is greener syndrome.

Payne has shown in the reserves he can make an impact and has done ok on his cameos so I can certainly see him getting a chance and more than happy to see him playing in an attacking midfield role. Williams also is being given cameos so cant imagine he is far off.

As you say Brown is the person who knows whether they are ready or not.


Surely if Phil don't try something different he and us will never know,Phil has the simple choice stick with what he has been playing which in effect is primitive lacking imagination and looks unlikely to succeed or inject some youth .

This team are dropping like a stone and it needs to be changed because in a few games we have become detached from the autos and with Argyle closing in for the kill it don't bode well.

Phil must roll the dice and discover what's what.
 
Surely if Phil don't try something different he and us will never know,Phil has the simple choice stick with what he has been playing which in effect is primitive lacking imagination and looks unlikely to succeed or inject some youth .

This team are dropping like a stone and it needs to be changed because in a few games we have become detached from the autos and with Argyle closing in for the kill it don't bode well.

Phil must roll the dice and discover what's what.

He has tried 3 different formations in the last month. He is making changes, some enforced and some that he thinks will improve the side (ie dropping Hurst).

I'm certainly happy for there to be changes, but as I've said all day, I don't advocate change for change sake though in the hope it will be better just because its different.

Payne would be the change I would make to add some energy to the side.
 
He has tried 3 different formations in the last month. He is making changes, some enforced and some that he thinks will improve the side (ie dropping Hurst).

I'm certainly happy for there to be changes, but as I've said all day, I don't advocate change for change sake though in the hope it will be better just because its different.

Payne would be the change I would make to add some energy to the side.


Let me put it another way,
On Saturday Phil starts Payne and Williams and then he has the simple task of if they are performing they stay on and if they are not performing he still has the old guard on the bench,He cannot really lose because currently if Wanderers score first has this current starting eleven got 2 goals in it?
 

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