Ref Watch ..... Northampton A

[Massimo Giovanni]

I can understand why the corners were not given, both were in the opposite side of the field from the main stand Lino. what is not good is that on both occasions I looked across to see where the Lino was and he was on both time 15 yards behind the play.
As for the shirt pull on Inniss, well the shirt must have been stretched 2 ft out and it was as clear as could be, the ref and/ Lino must have seen it unless they were looking at their feet or checking on Oxley.

 

[ace]

hence my second point, closing ranks.

 

[rigsby]

I can understand why the corners were not given, both were in the opposite side of the field from the main stand Lino. what is not good is that on both occasions I looked across to see where the Lino was and he was on both time 15 yards behind the play.
As for the shirt pull on Inniss, well the shirt must have been stretched 2 ft out and it was as clear as could be, the ref and/ Lino must have seen it unless they were looking at their feet or checking on Oxley.

The Glash incident was the other end so difficult to say whether it was wrong. Normally if the defender makes out he is hurt then you know they are guilty. I was row B dead in line with the Iniss shirt pull. He was goal side of his man and in space, the contact was longer and clearer than Demetriou's red incident. Clear penalty.

There is some new and unwritten rule that you cant touch someone in open play but from a set piece you can commit assault. If it was the other way round and Innis had fouled his man, then he could have well ended up back jail serving his remaining 14 weeks.

 

[Lord Football]

The Glash incident was the other end so difficult to say whether it was wrong. Normally if the defender makes out he is hurt then you know they are guilty. I was row B dead in line with the Iniss shirt pull. He was goal side of his man and in space, the contact was longer and clearer than Demetriou's red incident. Clear penalty.

There is some new and unwritten rule that you cant touch someone in open play but from a set piece you can commit assault. If it was the other way round and Innis had fouled his man, then he could have well ended up back jail serving his remaining 14 weeks.

That was a penalty, btw. You only have to watch Mike Dean this season to see what you are supposed to do. But you wouldn't expect (nor want) the assistant to give that. As a ref, that is yours to give. You have a better view and better angle. Without wishing to upset Ace by being arrogant, or even vaguely knowledgable, you cover that in pre match instructions. You do not want the situation where an assistant is flagging for a pen when you have a clear view and know it is not.

 

[Mick]

Referring to the corner decisions. I was placed less than 20 feet behind the goal. So I think I'll trust my eyes to the linos, who must have guessed. To say "no it wasn't" smacks of arrogance, and closing ranks. As to the penalty, Demetriou said so last night, as quoted by CP.

I've now read the quote from Demetriou - "it wasn't the ref who made the decision. He was asking the linesman who was about 40 feet away".

Now given that the "linesman" was nearly 120 feet away, I'm not sure how much I would rely on his comments. I'm sure the referee would have been having a few words over their comms equipment just to make sure there was nothing he'd missed, but I'd be surprised if Mr Cooper made the decision.

 

[AndyT]

Interesting with the Demetriou sending off, there were two incidents in the round up on 'Goal Rush' which were similar.

One was a cross where the Pompey defender handballed it above his head, as a Barnet attacker behind him was about to head in.

The other was a penalty in the Yeovil v. Cheltenham match where a player had his shirt tugged as he was about to latch onto a cross to fire a shot goalbound.

Neither player was sent off.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Interesting with the Demetriou sending off, there were two incidents in the round up on 'Goal Rush' which were similar.

One was a cross where the Pompey defender handballed it above his head, as a Barnet attacker behind him was about to head in.


The other was a penalty in the Yeovil v. Cheltenham match where a player had his shirt tugged as he was about to latch onto a cross to fire a shot goalbound.

Neither player was sent off.

I am in no doubt that we were very harshly dealt with; I know it is a mantra for every season and every club BUT it is the inconsistency that really annoys, we do not go to watch the refs yet game after game they seem to be having a massive effect on the results.

 

[londonblue]

No he didn't. The whole ball needs to be out of play. He couldn't possibly see if it had when the keeper took it out coz the keeper blocked him and the second one clearly wasn't.

The first one wasn't clear. Even if the 'keeper did take the ball over the line there is an argument to say it was a foul on him anyway has he was challenged by someone-or-other. The second one clearly wasn't over the line.

Anyhow, I've now seen the penalty / sending off. I am none the wiser. Yeah it's a penalty, but I cannot fathom out how that is an OBVIOUS goalscoring opportunity. The key word is obvious. The player never had the ball and had an awful lot to do to make it goal scoring opportunity, let alone an obvious one. A yellow at the very most. If you are going to start sending players off for that, you'll be doing it everytime you give a penalty. Poor decision, that whilst not costing us the game, has cost us a player next Tuesday

Totally agree. At the time I though the same, but accepted I was miles away from the incident. Seeing it again on TV has just reinforced my opinion. Never in a million years should that have been a sending off, for every reason you've given.

 

[londonblue]

We won't be appealing, I'd say. The Northampton player, without the foul, had a clear header on goal from eight yards out.

A harsh, unnecessary decision though by the referee. He wouldn't have been criticised by the assessor if he had gone yellow but he seems to be a career referee with his sights on Select Group 2 who wants to get noticed.

Not in my opinion. He would have done well to get anything on that cross.

 

[Mick]

Interesting with the Demetriou sending off, there were two incidents in the round up on 'Goal Rush' which were similar.

One was a cross where the Pompey defender handballed it above his head, as a Barnet attacker behind him was about to head in.

The other was a penalty in the Yeovil v. Cheltenham match where a player had his shirt tugged as he was about to latch onto a cross to fire a shot goalbound.

Neither player was sent off.

I've already said that the red card was harsh and unnecessary (rather than downright wrong). In your two examples the referees were more generous.

Great penalty save by ex Canvey Island and Concord Josh Vickers at Pompey.

Conversely there were two very harsh red cards shown at Colchester and Luton. One of them was by the man in charge tomorrow.

 

[mrsblue]

Refs and Lino's IMO are slaughtered from everyone which is a shame because without them equals no football.

The ref calls it as he sees it,sometimes wrong but mainly correct,Professional managers/coaches/players moaning about this decision or that decision need a reality check.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Twenty yards behind (or in front of) the second defender or 20 yards behind play ?

All of those Mick, the goal keeper went down at the feet of our player, on (over!) the line and another defender was v close by. The Lino was just about in line with the pen box. GK carried ball over the line with his momentum.

 

[AndyT]

I've already said that the red card was harsh and unnecessary (rather than downright wrong). In your two examples the referees were more generous.

Great penalty save by ex Canvey Island and Concord Josh Vickers at Pompey.

Conversely there were two very harsh red cards shown at Colchester and Luton. One of them was by the man in charge tomorrow.

Agreed, Mick.

Possible penalty but not a red in my view.

As others have said, it's the usual inconsistences.

I do wonder if word gets around the refereeing circuit about PB and we sometimes get more of a raw deal because of it.

 

[londonblue]

It'll be interesting to see what happens with the appeal. Should find out around lunchtime.

 

[londonblue]

Red card rescinded. There's a surprise.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Red card rescinded. There's a surprise.

Lots of surprises in that decision.
We "got" a result from the FA.
The FA didn't form ranks behind the ref is tantamount to saying the bloke GOT IT WRONG!
It is likely that at 2 nil down and full team we would have struggled anyway BUT who knows; another day the ref would give the pen to us and at 2-1 it would have been "game on".