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NFL Draft

Yorkshire Blue

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Is this tomorrow?

I might have to get my draft board out and start brushing up, because I've completely lost track of what's going on here.
 
Well today to be correct, here is the schedule for this year's draft.

Round 1 Thursday, April 22 7:30-11 p.m. EST
Rounds 2-3 Friday, April 23 6-11 p.m. EST
Rounds 4-7 Saturday, April 24 10 a.m.-6 p.m. EST
 
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Well today to be correct, here is the schedule for this year's draft.

Round 1 Thursday, April 22 5:30-9 p.m. EST
Rounds 2-3 Friday, April 23 4-9 p.m. EST
Rounds 4-7 Saturday, April 24 8 a.m.-4 p.m. EST

Your times look all wrong

For the first time in history, the NFL Draft goes primetime with Round 1 slated for 7:30 p.m. ET on Thursday, April 22. Rounds 2 and 3 will be held on Friday, April 23 beginning at 6 p.m. Rounds 4-7 will be held on Saturday, April 24 beginning at 10 a.m

I reckon it starts in about an hour.
 
What (or I suppose, where) is CST?

Commiserations to Seth. To trade up to reach once is bad enough, to do it twice in the first round. Ouch.

The highlight was watching Joe Haden (and his mother) cry at the news he was going to Cleveland. You can't blame him, I'd cry too if I had to play for the Browns.

The big non-Tebow (yawn) surprise was the Jags.
 
CST is Central Standard Time, whereas EST is Eastern Standard, and MST is Mountain and PST is Pacific Standard Time. (Have I bored you yet?)

Central time zone is used in Minneapolis which is also the home to my NFL team and thus why the times i gave were in that TZ.

Of course to be a real pedant then i should have used D not S as the US is now in Daylight Time.
 
CST is Central Standard Time, whereas EST is Eastern Standard, and MST is Mountain and PST is Pacific Standard Time. (Have I bored you yet?)

Central time zone is used in Minneapolis which is also the home to my NFL team and thus why the times i gave were in that TZ.

Of course to be a real pedant then i should have used D not S as the US is now in Daylight Time.

I thought they usually used ET and CT for Eastern and Central? What really confused me is why you were converting into EST rather than BST.
 
Props to ESPN for allowing me to watch the draft live in the UK. I've made it clear that I like Tebow as a second round pick but I think McDaniels has really bet the farm by taking him when Jimmy Clausen was still on the board, who I rated a better pro prospect than Sam Bradford. McDaniels seems very 'character' driven in his remaking of the Broncos, but he has to remember that there's one thing that trumps intangibles in the NFL, and it's called 'tangibles'.
 
Props to ESPN for allowing me to watch the draft live in the UK. I've made it clear that I like Tebow as a second round pick but I think McDaniels has really bet the farm by taking him when Jimmy Clausen was still on the board, who I rated a better pro prospect than Sam Bradford. McDaniels seems very 'character' driven in his remaking of the Broncos, but he has to remember that there's one thing that trumps intangibles in the NFL, and it's called 'tangibles'.

LOL

nfl.com were also showing it. They even managed to occasionally show the Bengals' picks rather than cutting to adverts and even on one time deigned to discuss the Bengals' selection for a full 20 seconds before resuming their Tebow/Claussen/McCoy infatuations.
 
For the uninitiated, what's the deal with Tebow? I know that he's the poster boy for the pro-life lobby, and a multi-garlanded, Heisman-winning QB. But I read somewhere the suggestion that his game "might not adapt to the NFL" and that, arguably, he shouldn't have been a first-round draft.

Why?

PS That Ndamukong Suh... cripes, he's a solidly-built lad, isn't he?!
 
For the uninitiated, what's the deal with Tebow? I know that he's the poster boy for the pro-life lobby, and a multi-garlanded, Heisman-winning QB. But I read somewhere the suggestion that his game "might not adapt to the NFL" and that, arguably, he shouldn't have been a first-round draft.

Why?

PS That Ndamukong Suh... cripes, he's a solidly-built lad, isn't he?!

The answer lies in the fundamental differences between the pro game and the college game, particularly on the offensive side. College offensive playbooks tend to be simpler (I imagine this is due to the fact that players can only be playing in a system for a maximum of four years, whereas they can spend up to 20 years in the pros), and favour more 'old school' schemes like the spread offense and the option, where the QB generally receives the football in the shotgun formation and runs with it far more regularly than would be the case in the pros.

Tebow is an archetypal spread offense QB, with a huge frame well suited to running 10-15 times per game. The offensive scheme he ran with the Florida Gators suited his style, but there's no team running it regularly in the NFL (the wildcat package popularised by the Dolphins is the nearest equivalent, and this is only an occasional ploy).

NFL teams run a 'pro style' offense where the QB usually receives the ball whilst standing in an almost Brighton fan like position in relation to the Center. He will then drop back to hand off to a running back or to pass. A scrambling QB is an asset, but it shouldn't be his major strength. A pro QB needs to be able to read defensive schemes and be able to assess the chance of completing a pass to his primary, secondary and tertiary receivers in a matter of moments. This is a skill that can only be developed by countless reps in a similar system, and Tebow just doesn't have that familiarity with the skills you need right now. He may well learn them, but will the Broncos fans be willing to wait a couple of years when they hardly have stellar talent on the depth chart in Orton and Quinn.

That said, Sam Bradford, picked first by the Rams, didn't operate out of a pro style offensive scheme, and will struggle if he's made starter from day one. He has a more NFL ready game than Tebow in terms of his arm strength and accuracy, but he still faces a steep learning curve. The only top QB prospect who did play in a pro style offense was Jimmy Clausen who played under Charlie Weis at Notre Dame. There is definitely an argument that he was the most NFL-ready of the QB prospects, but evidently every NFL team disagreed with that argument, and I guess that they know more about this than me.

As for Suh, he is an absolute monster. He is immensely talented physically and also comes across as a very humble and intelligent guy. As a Redskins fan, I would ship Haynesworth and Landry to Detroit for Suh in a heartbeat.
 
Did the Dolphins get anyone good??

Mel Kiper's analysis:

Miami Dolphins
Summary: This draft for me is really Jared Odrick and the rest. Odrick can be a really good player, another active, disruptive tackle in a draft full of them. Koa Misi could be good, but not right away because he'll need to spend a little time transitioning from defensive end to outside linebacker. After that, I thought the Dolphins reached a couple of times. Perhaps Nolan Carroll can recover from his injury to become a pretty good player. A low-risk, high-upside pick late with him. I should add that Brandon Marshall is, technically, a part of this draft, and will clearly help Chad Henne. Draft grade: C-
 
Rusty Shackleford said:
Mel Kiper's analysis:

Miami Dolphins
Summary: This draft for me is really Jared Odrick and the rest. Odrick can be a really good player, another active, disruptive tackle in a draft full of them. Koa Misi could be good, but not right away because he'll need to spend a little time transitioning from defensive end to outside linebacker. After that, I thought the Dolphins reached a couple of times. Perhaps Nolan Carroll can recover from his injury to become a pretty good player. A low-risk, high-upside pick late with him. I should add that Brandon Marshall is, technically, a part of this draft, and will clearly help Chad Henne. Draft grade: C-
That doesn't sound good, looks like another season of mediocrity beckons then...
 
For the uninitiated, what's the deal with Tebow? I know that he's the poster boy for the pro-life lobby, and a multi-garlanded, Heisman-winning QB. But I read somewhere the suggestion that his game "might not adapt to the NFL" and that, arguably, he shouldn't have been a first-round draft.

Why?

PS That Ndamukong Suh... cripes, he's a solidly-built lad, isn't he?!

He definitely shouldn't have been a first round pick.

1. He's a development pick who many analysts don't expect to be NFL ready for another couple of years. It's bad value to get a pick who may or may not pan out 3 years down the line, whilst you pay him 1st Round money and watch your team get beaten by 1st round picks who are NFL ready.
2. His mechanics are bad. Slow release, some poor footwork although these are apparently being addressed.
3. Neither his arm strength nor accuracy is thought to be elite by NFL standards.
4. His college record (and his numbers are very good) is inflated by (a) the system Florida play, the spread, which inflates numbers and (b) playing for a really good team against some not very good teams. He might have won the Heisman but there are plenty of examples of Heisman winners who haven't made an impact in the NFL - Troy Smith who won it the year before Tebow was drafted in the 5th round for example.
5. He had a really poor showing at the Senior Bowl, which along with the Combine (where Tebow elected not to throw) are the two major chances for players to improve their draft stock once the season ends.
6. Quite a few analysts reckon he profiles better as either a tight end or a full-back. There was one full-back taken in the 5th round (139th pick) and another taken in the 7th round, with the 245th pick.
7. The Broncos gave up half of their draft with their 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks to the Ravens, who are divisional rivals of my Bengals (cheers for that, as if the AFC North wasn't already tough enough without idiots overpaying) when they have loads of holes that need filling.
8. There were better QBs still available.

The media are in absolute love with him as this clean-living All-American idol. They are so sycophantic towards him it is really nauseating. His main asset is considered to be his intangibles - things which conveniently aren't measurable, (and coincidentally only ever seem to apply to white players) such as "leadership" (ie holding prayer meetings and having bible verse in his eye paint) and being a "winner" (playing for a really good college side), although he's physically very strong and powerful which is why some think he'd make a better FB or TE.

I'm not saying he won't end up as a decent NFL player, it's just there were far better, safer, alternatives with probably as much, if not more up-side.
 
His main asset is considered to be his intangibles - things which conveniently aren't measurable, (and coincidentally only ever seem to apply to white players)

No offense intended bro (which I believe was Jim Zorn's motto when he coached the Skins), but I think that last statement's a bigger reach than Denver's pick. There may well be racist institutions in the USA, but the NFL media isn't one of them. Look at what happened to Limbaugh when he criticised McNabb (who I now believe to be the greatest QB since Sammy Baugh). 'Intangibles' are measured on every player, and attributed to anybody who seems to achieve more than they logically should.
 
No offense intended bro (which I believe was Jim Zorn's motto when he coached the Skins), but I think that last statement's a bigger reach than Denver's pick. There may well be racist institutions in the USA, but the NFL media isn't one of them. Look at what happened to Limbaugh when he criticised McNabb (who I now believe to be the greatest QB since Sammy Baugh). 'Intangibles' are measured on every player, and attributed to anybody who seems to achieve more than they logically should.

Maybe, but can you think of any black players who are "gamers" and are eulogised for their gamer-ieness in the way that Tebow is, the way that Jeter is, the way that Favre is?

In a country where so many NFL players are black (and for the Jeter example, MLB hispanic), do you not think its strange that there aren't any black (or hispanic) players eulogised for being "gamers".
 
Maybe, but can you think of any black players who are "gamers" and are eulogised for their gamer-ieness in the way that Tebow is, the way that Jeter is, the way that Favre is?

In a country where so many NFL players are black (and for the Jeter example, MLB hispanic), do you not think its strange that there aren't any black (or hispanic) players eulogised for being "gamers".

There's a valid point here in that no minority players are eulogised to the same extent perhaps, but at the same time, all of those players you mentioned are among the most hated as well, even amongst some media pundits (Jim Rome makes no attempt to conceal his contempt for Favre).

Would you not agree that Warren Moon, Steve McNair, Randall Cunningham and Donovan McNabb have very few detractors in the media, and are certainly regarded as 'gamers', but to a lesser degree than Favre, admittedly. As for Jeter, he's more lauded for his pinstripes than his skin colour by the Yankee/Sox-centric media. If he played in St Louis and Pujols played in the Bronx, I think there might be a difference.

There may be an underlying theme of race in that there are assumptions that black players have more athleticism than white players, so the success of the latter group must be down to their 'intangibles'. The preponderance of black players in the NFL probably drives this analysis, which I believe to be flawed, as you just cannot succeed in the league without great athleticism. Tebow may not have the arm strength and the accuracy of a prototypical QB, but he is an amazingly athletic guy.
 
Damn, I wrote a reply earlier but it appears to have been lost.

Basically I agreed with all that. Would have been interested to see how lauded those QBs you mention would have been if they'd been in say the NY media spotlight (especially if they were winning), but I think the main thing is the colour of their teams, not the colour of their skin.

Commentators gushing definitely turns me off players (see Tebow, Gerrard etc)

I did point out that the opposite to Jeter for being eulogised is A-Rod who is still despised despite being a great player (albeit one with a picture of a centaur with his head above his bed) and then I see that my favourite columnist has written about those two today
 

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