I agree with you to an extent, in that the ‘one size fits all’ solution to problems like this just doesn’t work, but my contention is that the approach that’s currently being used is in line with your belief that the hooligans are the victims. I’m not buying that. If you gave these little *******s acres of green space (or role playing games, as you suggested in an earlier thread), they’ll just trash them and laugh at the well-meaning hippy who’s trying to help them.
Was actually table top miniature war games but ill let you off ;) . Its teh degree to their crimes , as you say they all hooligans , well what level . Shop lifters , hangers on to the group becuase lack of awareness and understanding of themslves which is the massive problem of being a teenager (i mean who here even had a vague understanding of who they were at 12+ !) Michael Cane also sensible said that the kids had not been given a system to work in . Money was chucked at them , and of course it got eaten up . The social workers who could help them the groups that would take those kids who you can help (and they are the majority , remember humans are a pack mentality if a big alpha male calls and attrachs overs they will come running ) . He also sensible stated teh decline in a father figure and id go further and say a string male and female roles are missing (this is not always mother and father , as remember WWII and after alot of that generation were rasied by aunts uncles and grannies ! Also with your Jewish background you know the value of family)
The only approach that will work is the old fashioned carrot and stick. We need to give people realistic aspirations that they can escape poverty by working hard, and that will only come by reforming the enabling benefit culture and providing real education and discipline in our schools. Someone who busts their *** working a low paid job needs to be perceivably better off than someone who just sits on theirs. The hard working and honest members of our society need to be lionized rather than regarded as ‘mugs’.
But this is a one size fits all solution again . Carrot and stick work for some , a cuddle and kind words work for others . Its a discipline system that works for the individual, you have to discover this they are still people . And worest of all kids who have not been taught, so the adults have failed.
That’s the carrot part, now comes the stick. I’m sure many of you saw Panorama on Monday night, which recounted stories of vicious assaults that were ‘punished’ with a caution. We’re all aware of the horrendous tale of the double suicide of the mother and her mentally disabled daughter – pushed to the very edge by animals who know that they can get away with whatever they like. These are the victims, not the feral vermin who torment the decent and unassuming folk of our once great land. There needs to be the threat of real and awful punishment for the jumped up ayatollahs of sink estates. It’s not the cages that make the people feel like they’re living in zoos, it’s the animals who are allowed to act as the zookeepers whilst our police force spends its time ensuring quotas are filled and motorists are fleeced.
Its is cages that make them , i agree its disguisting what they did , had there also been a closer community people whould have stoped this dead . Education , removal of key kids the group . We're thinking to much of a mob as a single creature its not , gangs arnt a terrifying monster of titan legend its driven by individuals . You find who its heart is who its brains are and remove them . Why does it even exisit. Then you know what kind of discipline to install or training to prevent its creation.
We need to give people the tools to succeed, and the environment where their success will be rewarded. Granting the status of victim to those that victimize won’t achieve that.
