Pubey
Guest
So, Michael Caine thinks it should be brought back...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8354093.stm
do you?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8354093.stm
do you?
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MK Shrimper
Striker
Don't we have the best army in the world due to the fact that its made up of young men and women who choose to sign up rather than being forced to?
steveo
mine to stay the same please
But if you had national service, people who were naturally talented in that area night decide to stay on, giving us an even better army.
I wouldnt mind it at all but only if it meant everyone had to do it, absolutely no exceptions.
MK Shrimper
Striker
Or you could just get a whole generation of Hoodies who now how to kill with their bare hands rather than just talking about it.....
TrueBlue
SJP Taxi & Private Hire ⭐️
****ing lefty
Davros
The Whippet
I dont believe everyone should be forced to, but the lastest statistics show there are nearly 900k neets in the UK (thats 16-25 y/o's not in Employment, Education or Training). Its is of my belief that if you are in this age bracket, and choose to do nothing else of value with your life, then you should be forced into national service.
Rusty Shackleford
Banned
I wouldn't want most of the cretinous wimps we call our youth ruining the good name of our armed forces, but I would wholeheartedly support a program where 'service' meant service to our nation, whether it be cleaning the streets or teaching young kids. We live in a culture of entitlement and immediate gratification that has every two bob yob thinking they're owed whatever they desire, resulting in them tap dancing on some poor innocent's face when they don't get it.
The moral relativism so beloved by the Guardian reading crowd has eroded the general sense of right and wrong so thoroughly that only a dramatic about turn in our treatment of our youth, starting with our schools and ending with some form of national service, can pull us up from this breakneck plunge into social, cultural and moral oblivion.
The moral relativism so beloved by the Guardian reading crowd has eroded the general sense of right and wrong so thoroughly that only a dramatic about turn in our treatment of our youth, starting with our schools and ending with some form of national service, can pull us up from this breakneck plunge into social, cultural and moral oblivion.
Napster
No ⭐
I think authority should come from the parents. I was amazed that a kid at school recently was defended by his (unemployed) father, for not standing up when a teacher came into the room, because the teacher had not earned "respect".
I do think the kids need to learn respect, however, militarisation I don't think will solve it. Forcing them into some kind of community service, as part of a compulsory education programme, which is directly linked to their parents' benefits might be the way forward.
Then, get rid of the X-factor style programmes that offer 15 minutes of fame which serve no-one any good apart from the advertisers.
That's to start.
I do think the kids need to learn respect, however, militarisation I don't think will solve it. Forcing them into some kind of community service, as part of a compulsory education programme, which is directly linked to their parents' benefits might be the way forward.
Then, get rid of the X-factor style programmes that offer 15 minutes of fame which serve no-one any good apart from the advertisers.
That's to start.
Gt Yarmouth Shrimper
President⭐⭐🦐
I share that sentiment
Firestorm
Pedant
unusually on any subject which is remotely political I agree with Rusty here (well the first paragraph anyway)
The reason for the "must have whatever I want" could be (and has been by some commentators) as attributable to the capitalist greed culture fuelled by Thatcher.
Local Councils have scant resources to maintain verges, clean gum off streets , clean graffitti , perhaps a scheme where anyone aged between 16 and 20 who is not in either Full time or further Education or an apprenticeship must spend 6 months on a Local Authourity "clean up" squad may benfit society as well a possibly stopping the oiks defacing the place later
I agree with the worry about teaching the Asbo brigade how to kill, and also i don't think using them as cannon fodder would much of a vote winner either
osymandus
Life President
And i also agree here with Rusty to a point and mostly Firestorm . Certainly in that people are geared (of all social stratr) that getting what you want and how you want ignoring inconveniences as you go is encouraged (how did the rich get so rich , why are criminal gangs so successful !) However The Army themselves have said national service will not be welcomed or work as they don't want any one who dose not want to be there.
Morality is installed by home then outward to society as a whole , however there are levels of this that alway's need examining and understanding .
In the case of the teacher say are you respecting the position (which easiely leads to an unquestioning unreacting society ) or the individual (which makes you understand them better and the role they play).
OldBlueLady
Junior Blues Coordinator⭐⭐🦐
Without generalising too much, I have to say I'm in favour of it, although not for 2 years and I would prefer to say that they either do National Service in the Armed Forces or do one year paid at a similar rate working for Charity. I think this is particularly relevant with the raising of the school leaving age.
Of course, in an ideal world, morality and discipline should be learnt at home, however, there are ever increasing numbers of disfunctional and disparate families producing kids with increased regularity but less and less stability. I honestly despair of some of the families that I've had the misfortune to come across in my professional life - their kids have little hope at all of turning out to be respectable citizens when they have few morals being displayed to them in their everyday life. It's why schools are now spending so much time sorting out social issues concerning the children that go there - at all ages, and obviously, where welfare is concerned there is reams of paperwork.
Sorry if that sounds a bit judgemental, and I'm happy to say that there are very many more perfectly reasonable and respectable families with children that it's a delight to spend time with - and they ARE in a majority at the moment, at least in this area, but more and more of OUR time is spent involved with the children with a less well balanced home life.
Of course, in an ideal world, morality and discipline should be learnt at home, however, there are ever increasing numbers of disfunctional and disparate families producing kids with increased regularity but less and less stability. I honestly despair of some of the families that I've had the misfortune to come across in my professional life - their kids have little hope at all of turning out to be respectable citizens when they have few morals being displayed to them in their everyday life. It's why schools are now spending so much time sorting out social issues concerning the children that go there - at all ages, and obviously, where welfare is concerned there is reams of paperwork.
Sorry if that sounds a bit judgemental, and I'm happy to say that there are very many more perfectly reasonable and respectable families with children that it's a delight to spend time with - and they ARE in a majority at the moment, at least in this area, but more and more of OUR time is spent involved with the children with a less well balanced home life.
When would they be able to fit it in?
If they leave school at 16 then I can't see why they shouldn't but it is their choice, they won't work as hard as they can if they don't want to be there and will ruin the atmosphere for the ones who do want to be there.
Other students leave at 18 and go straight to Uni until they're in their 20's and if they went straight into national service they would forget some of the stuff they'd learnt and wouldn't be able to get the job they want.
If they leave school at 16 then I can't see why they shouldn't but it is their choice, they won't work as hard as they can if they don't want to be there and will ruin the atmosphere for the ones who do want to be there.
Other students leave at 18 and go straight to Uni until they're in their 20's and if they went straight into national service they would forget some of the stuff they'd learnt and wouldn't be able to get the job they want.
Vange Shrimper
Mrs Rock God
I think its a good idea. Might sort some of the problems out which occur involving yoofies of today.
GrumpyBlue
Director⭐⭐🦐
No but if it does come back send Michael Caine first
canveyshrimper
R.I.P
Michael Caine has done National Service, so I guess he can speak from experience. Conscription at time of war is different, however conscription continued after WWII until 1959/60, and many unwilling conscripts were killed in Korea, Malaya, Egypt, Cyprus Aden.
I'm not in favour of its return, as it stands our armed forces are professional and to a man (and woman) are volunteers. Consequently they know the risks and potential consequences. I wouldn't want to see one of mine being conscripted and taken off to a theatre of war largely against his will.
The Big Shrimp
Zone Photographer
I'm all for it as I'm too old to get called up!!
Seriously it would be good to see some of these scumbags get shown a few lessons of life. It would also show that without a knife or whatever tool they carry, they aren't as hard as they think! Get them milling & laugh at them getting the crap knock out of them!
Seriously it would be good to see some of these scumbags get shown a few lessons of life. It would also show that without a knife or whatever tool they carry, they aren't as hard as they think! Get them milling & laugh at them getting the crap knock out of them!
maninasuitcase
President
If you want to re-introduce national service you have to be honest about what you are doing it for, what you want to achieve, and who, if anyone, it exempts.
Are we saying all 16 to 18 year olds, for example, are packed off to camps for military training and that no matter what, they have to go? Or are they are shipped off to do two years of what is in effect low paid unskilled work?
It seems to me that we're trying to use National Service as some form of punishment of the young, innocent or guilty, or as some way of fixing a 'broken society' without addressing the real issues.
Are we saying all 16 to 18 year olds, for example, are packed off to camps for military training and that no matter what, they have to go? Or are they are shipped off to do two years of what is in effect low paid unskilled work?
It seems to me that we're trying to use National Service as some form of punishment of the young, innocent or guilty, or as some way of fixing a 'broken society' without addressing the real issues.
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