Post-Match Thread and Ratings Morecambe FC 1-1 Southend Utd

[FarmdogSUFC]

How about an analogy?

The head of the area fire services team (let's call him Mark for the sake of this analogy) is called out to eleven consecutive fires and nine of the properties burn down.

He then presides over a spell of twenty nine fires when:

• only eleven of the properties burn down
• ten have to be partially demolished
• in the six most recent local fires his firefighting team fail to turn on the hoses once

Is he improving in an acceptable manner or is he still completely out of his depth?

Lmao what the **** have I read here

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

How about an analogy?

The head of the area fire services team (let's call him Mark for the sake of this analogy) is called out to eleven consecutive fires and nine of the properties burn down.

He then presides over a spell of twenty nine fires when:

• only eleven of the properties burn down
• ten have to be partially demolished
• in the six most recent local fires his firefighting team fail to turn on the hoses once

Is he improving in an acceptable manner or is he still completely out of his depth?

You don't emphasise your points by repeating them ad nauseam. Quite the reverse. You bore people and they miss what may be the occasional valid point.
That is the polite way of saying. Pleeeeeaaase give it a rest.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Whether you like how we play, the tactics or think that we have improved or not, the stats in terms of points and results show we have improved since august. I agree, it may be too little too late, or that it’s not great to watch but come on...who on earth thinks a league 2 relegation battle is going to be a good watch!!
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You'll remember (no doubt) that the Chairman expected us to be in a L2 play-off place at the end of the season.Fat chance!

 

[Mad Cyril]

Objectively a good result. Keeps your head above water. Need to win one of your next two and then fleece the Ewes. Tall order, but far from an impossibility.

Assuming Colchester don't pick up points...

 

[rigsby]

You'll also remember a lot of fans thought it would be a relegation battle. Once our limited forward line was sold on and the embargo become common knowledge that became most fans.

What was you expecting?

 

[mfurok]

I have been critical of MM and especially after Saturday, but last night was a game where we looked like we acutely had some fight

Are you suggesting that 'some fight' is not the absolute minimum requirement?

 

[mfurok]

How far do you intend to go with this analogy? How about in four of the most recent difficult fires (in, lets say, Newport and Nailsworth), outside the local area and against all odds, two of the properties are completed saved, whilst in two more (let's say in, Cambridge and Morecambe - where no-one from this fire service team has ever even partially saved a property before when something has been at stake), the properties are partially saved and the inhabitants suffer no injuries? Would that be acceptable?

Anyway, in terms of yesterday's match, if you don't view it through the prism of the season as a whole, it was a good performance. The fact that we lined up in a 4-4-2 (or probably more accurately 4-4-1-1 with Dieng playing off Halford) showed that we have a Plan B (or, rather, this was probably down at about Plan E or Plan F at least at the start of the season) - even if it doesn't involve using any recognised forwards - and it was effective. It was ugly, but it was effective. We frustrated Morecambe early on and got ahead. We didn't let up in terms of our intensity and our organisation and went in deservedly ahead at half-time.

Everyone would've been expecting a response from Morecambe in the second half, and that's what happened. They are a top 7 - possibly even top 3 - team come the end of the season, and they increased their own intensity. For 10-15 minutes we didn't deal with it, during which time they equalised. It's easy to say we should've been prepared for it, less easy to actually deal with a decent team playing to their potential.

After about an hour, I was concerned that if Morecambe continued playing the way they were, that we'd lose the game; they had the overload in midfield and were constantly able to get to the edge of our penalty area, and there were a few nervous moments inside it. That we didn't lose, and that we wrestled the momentum away from them sufficiently that the final quarter-of-an-hour to mean that it was really anyone's game, showed me that the players and management are still very much up for the fight. I don't recognise the description that we aren't working hard to try to stay up in general (the Carlisle performance was a complete aberration in that regard, and this was a positive reaction. We just can't afford any more of those).

We're still in the fight, principally because we have the Col U game coming up. We have improved, and I struggle to see how anyone can argue with that. The question is simply whether we have improved enough, and whether we have done so in enough time to arrest relegation.

Of course we have improved.

Nobody can fail to improve upon 2 points from 11 games.

The answer to your other questions is that we have not.

Yesterday's performance was OK and is not what relegated us.

If replicated throughout the season it would have seen us just about stay up.

It wasn't

That's the problem.

 

[mfurok]

??? thank you for saving me from having to post.

The fireman analogy is definitely up there with...what shall I say...the strangest, I’ve ever heard? ?

Is that good or bad?

 

[mfurok]

Lmao what the **** have I read here

Would you prefer a farm analogy?

 

[FarmdogSUFC]

Would you prefer a farm analogy?

You don't even wear your glasses Jeff

 

[TrueBlue]

Are you suggesting that 'some fight' is not the absolute minimum requirement?

Of course they should be fighting every game but after that **** show on Saturday they gave it a good go Tuesday

 

[mfurok]

You don't emphasise your points by repeating them ad nauseam. Quite the reverse. You bore people and they miss what may be the occasional valid point.
That is the polite way of saying. Pleeeeeaaase give it a rest.

Put me on ignore.

How should one emphasise one's points?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

You'll also remember a lot of fans thought it would be a relegation battle. Once our limited forward line was sold on and the embargo become common knowledge that became most fans.

What was you expecting?

I was hoping for 22nd place.Being a SUFC supporter has taught me not to expect anything.

 

[OllieSteph44]

Is that good or bad?

Definitely good. I mean you are able to just make comment on my comment to it ?‍ Strange

 

[mfurok]

Definitely good. I mean you didn’t feel the need to dissect or discuss the actual points of the post favoring instead to just make comment on my comment to it ?‍ Strange

Good and strange.

Hey ho.

I guess that must be because I misinterpreted, misunderstood and failed to recognise nuance?

I'll try to improve in future.

 

[OllieSteph44]

Yesterday's performance was OK and is not what relegated us

Absolutely agree. People who think we are getting relegated for being the side we are now are mikes off. This is entirely due to the time it took to get going.

But we also have to consider that isn’t and wasn’t the fault of Mm. Not only did the chairman screw up the entire preparation of appointment and pre season, before he could begin the process of improving, he had to perform major surgery on a club and a team that had defeat, loser and bad habits etched through it like a stick of rock!

 

[OllieSteph44]

Good and strange.

Hey ho.

I guess that must be because I misinterpreted, misunderstood and failed to recognise nuance?

I'll try to improve in future.

I look forward to it. You know what they say, you can’t change until you accept change is needed ?

 

[mfurok]

Absolutely agree. People who think we are getting relegated for being the side we are now are mikes off. This is entirely due to the time it took to get going.

But we also have to consider that isn’t and wasn’t the fault of Mm. Not only did the chairman screw up the entire preparation of appointment and pre season, before he could begin the process of improving, he had to perform major surgery on a club and a team that had defeat, loser and bad habits etched through it like a stick of rock!

Trouble is we only get going sometimes and rarely at home.

Performances like the one on Saturday are indicative of what relegated us - along with the tippy tappy crap of the first eleven games.

Apologies to C'mon you Shrimpers.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Just seen the match highlights on iFollow and that post-match interview with MM."We'll continue with our processes" We're doomed .It's just a question of when not if.

 

[wiggy]

How far do you intend to go with this analogy? How about in four of the most recent difficult fires (in, lets say, Newport and Nailsworth), outside the local area and against all odds, two of the properties are completed saved, whilst in two more (let's say in, Cambridge and Morecambe - where no-one from this fire service team has ever even partially saved a property before when something has been at stake), the properties are partially saved and the inhabitants suffer no injuries? Would that be acceptable?

Anyway, in terms of yesterday's match, if you don't view it through the prism of the season as a whole, it was a good performance. The fact that we lined up in a 4-4-2 (or probably more accurately 4-4-1-1 with Dieng playing off Halford) showed that we have a Plan B (or, rather, this was probably down at about Plan E or Plan F at least at the start of the season) - even if it doesn't involve using any recognised forwards - and it was effective. It was ugly, but it was effective. We frustrated Morecambe early on and got ahead. We didn't let up in terms of our intensity and our organisation and went in deservedly ahead at half-time.

Everyone would've been expecting a response from Morecambe in the second half, and that's what happened. They are a top 7 - possibly even top 3 - team come the end of the season, and they increased their own intensity. For 10-15 minutes we didn't deal with it, during which time they equalised. It's easy to say we should've been prepared for it, less easy to actually deal with a decent team playing to their potential.

After about an hour, I was concerned that if Morecambe continued playing the way they were, that we'd lose the game; they had the overload in midfield and were constantly able to get to the edge of our penalty area, and there were a few nervous moments inside it. That we didn't lose, and that we wrestled the momentum away from them sufficiently that the final quarter-of-an-hour to mean that it was really anyone's game, showed me that the players and management are still very much up for the fight. I don't recognise the description that we aren't working hard to try to stay up in general (the Carlisle performance was a complete aberration in that regard, and this was a positive reaction. We just can't afford any more of those).

We're still in the fight, principally because we have the Col U game coming up. We have improved, and I struggle to see how anyone can argue with that. The question is simply whether we have improved enough, and whether we have done so in enough time to arrest relegation.

We have improved yes, away from home. If all of our games were on our travels then I think we would survive. However, at Roots Hall for whatever reason we will struggle to get a win and that is why we will go down!