Midfield for next season...

[OldBlueLady]

Slightly skewed logic, I think. Most footballers go for the simple pass, and if that isn't on, then they try the longer one, or the lump instead.

Macca is never going to win the "cultured midfielder of the year" award, even if he was the only candidate.

I'm not saying he's the perfect, ideal midfielder, just I wish people would give him a bit more credit.

 

[Napster]

I'm not saying he's the perfect, ideal midfielder, just I wish people would give him a bit more credit.

Fair enough.

 

[Jedi Shrimper]

I'm not saying he's the perfect, ideal midfielder, just I wish people would give him a bit more credit.

Macca is a tough tackling, hard working, all action midfielder who over the last 2½ seasons has been a great asset.

Moussa is more creative though.

We can but hope for a midfield that accomadates & allows both these players to perform at their best.

 

[bertiebigbanana]

Macca is a tough tackling, hard working, all action midfielder who over the last 2½ seasons has been a great asset.

Moussa is more creative though.

We can but hope for a midfield that accomadates & allows both these players to perform at their best.

Late into the fray on this one but i agree entirely with your 1st point.
As for moussa being the more creative...Im not so sure he is yet. I can see in occasional glimpses why many on here sing his praises but for me, he drifts out of games more often than into them. He's marking is at best erratic constantly leaving 'his man' in acres of space whilst he wanders aimlessly around the pitch. I dont deny there is a certain potential in him as a good player, i just dont think he's earned the accolades yet that some bestow on him.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Late into the fray on this one but i agree entirely with your 1st point.
As for moussa being the more creative...Im not so sure he is yet. I can see in occasional glimpses why many on here sing his praises but for me, he drifts out of games more often than into them. He's marking is at best erratic constantly leaving 'his man' in acres of space whilst he wanders aimlessly around the pitch. I dont deny there is a certain potential in him as a good player, i just dont think he's earned the accolades yet that some bestow on him.

:) Glad to know I'm not alone, and the accusations levelled at me so obviously don't apply to you!

 

[Pubey]

:) Glad to know I'm not alone, and the accusations levelled at me so obviously don't apply to you!

bore off and stop being so paranoid... people have been discussing our midfielders (constructively and positively) and you see any comments about Macca as a personal attack on you. Not everything revolves around you.

 

[EastStandBlue]

:) Glad to know I'm not alone, and the accusations levelled at me so obviously don't apply to you!

Oh for **** sake...


Glad to see reasonable debates are out the window because OBL likes Macca and can't see anything levelled against him. Those *******s and their opinions.

 

[OldBlueLady]

bore off and stop being so paranoid... people have been discussing our midfielders (constructively and positively) and you see any comments about Macca as a personal attack on you. Not everything revolves around you.

Oh, here we go, it's tongue in cheek, and you are so wrong it's laughable. I've been constructive and positive, in fact more so than most I would say, then you have to bring up your old assertions about things revolving round me again. Happy Days! End of the Season, little to talk about so let's just talk rubbish again.

 

[Pubey]

No guys, I won't accept it - when you lot post anything where you're bitching about Macca then invariably you're doing a spot of fishing to make me bite

then you have to bring up your old assertions about things revolving round me again.

Nope, you just said that every time someone 'bitches' about Macca that they're fishing for you... that seems paranoid (and completely untrue) to me. A new poster (belgrave?) made some comment about Macca and you laid into them too... nice one. Bore off and change the record

 

[EastStandBlue]

This whole ordeal reminds me of that scene from The Bodyguard...

I can just picture someone levelling some criticism at Macca, who reads it on the board and is about to burst into floods of tears just before OBL swoops in and carries him to safety.

 

[Pubey]

This whole ordeal reminds me of that scene from The Bodyguard...

I can just picture someone levelling some criticism at Macca, who reads it on the board and is about to burst into floods of tears just before OBL swoops in and carries him to safety.

Macca is probably too drunk to care


*runs*

 

[number11]

Oh, here we go, it's tongue in cheek, and you are so wrong it's laughable. I've been constructive and positive, in fact more so than most I would say, then you have to bring up your old assertions about things revolving round me again. Happy Days! End of the Season, little to talk about so let's just talk rubbish again.

No guys, I won't accept it - when you lot post anything where you're bitching about Macca then invariably you're doing a spot of fishing to make me bite.

In fairness to Pubey and EastStandBlue, the above comment comes accross as extremely paranoid. It could be seen as quite belittling, as you are suggesting they are not having proper views, only ones designed to annoy you. Given his vocation, and the fact that EastStandBlue has written some very excellent pieces on here, to demean his input in such a way could be quite insulting.

For me, our centre midfield can be our strong point next season provided Tilly can find the right balance (not only in the centre, but also with the right wide players complimenting them). Macca, Grant, Christophe and the Moose can all perform at high end League one level. If we get some creative wide players then perming any of those 4 can work. However, if we have central players playing wide again next year then Id like to see either Moussa play centrally, or Sawyer brought in to help our creativity. Other then Sawyer or a Sawyer type though I would far rather Tilly looks to strenghten other positions first.

 

[EastStandBlue]

Macca is probably too drunk to care


*runs*

Did I say safety?

I meant carry him to the Pub.

 

[Jedi Shrimper]

Macca, Grant, Christophe and the Moose can all perform at high end League one level. If we get some creative wide players then perming any of those 4 can work.

Macca doesn't have enough hair for this.

[assumes the crash position]

 

[Welly7]

Macca is a tough tackling, hard working, all action midfielder who over the last 2½ seasons has been a great asset.

Moussa is more creative though.

We can but hope for a midfield that accomadates & allows both these players to perform at their best.

From the midfielders we have at the moment, the one thing thats missing from all of them is genuine creativity. The sort of player that can see defence splitting passes and then deliver, something maybe Sawyer can offer.

Moussa is probably the better of the four because Grant & JFC are more defensively minded, but I still have doubts as to whether Moose is the creative player who can have a team built around him.

As for Macca, what he offers is work rate and passion. He isn't the type who can just sit and hold the midfield because thats not his game. His passing isn't the best at times and thats why he keeps it simple more often than not. I don't think he had his best season, but he certainly improved in the second half of the campaign.

 

[chapperzUK]

Macca doesn't have enough hair for this.

[assumes the crash position]

More to the point would Moussa look good with an afro (starts thinking ...)

or

Anyway back to the topic. I think that Grant and Christophe are quite similar in the way that they are good defensively and can sit infront of the back four to offer protection and allow a more creative force forward and recently this has been Macca. This worked when Sawyer and Christophe were pairing up in the middle and this showed with Sawyer given the freedom to roam forward with the reassurance that Christophe will be behand him offering support. I would be delighted if we sign Sawyer and another creative left midfielder. Moussa is adapting to his role on the left and this can be transfered over to the right.

 

[OldBlueLady]

In fairness to Pubey and EastStandBlue, the above comment comes accross as extremely paranoid. It could be seen as quite belittling, as you are suggesting they are not having proper views, only ones designed to annoy you. Given his vocation, and the fact that EastStandBlue has written some very excellent pieces on here, to demean his input in such a way could be quite insulting.

Is anyone seriously surprised that I get a little paranoid at times? We've had a couple of cases recently where I've been told not to be so gullible, and then when I question whether something's fishing - bearing in mind past history here - it seems that's wrong too. My initial point remains - and it's nothing to do with me - that I think some people on here are biased against Macca because of his off the pitch behaviour.

I hope the new poster accepted what I said to him, it was the continuation by others that prolonged the discussions and being told to "bore off" and stuff is guaranteed to get my back up, as it would lots of other people on here.

 

[TheSouthendUnitedRunner]

No, not confusing them, Theo does it often but since having scored a couple of goals this season, Moussa has increasingly been doing the same.

I'm honestly NOT having a go at Moussa here, but I do get VERY CROSS when people consistently have a go at Macca. Moussa has done a great job on the left, but he does drift, and if we're to go with that next season, we do, most definitely, need a proper winger in on the right.

For me, that leaves Sawyer as not really necessary as things stand. I can't see any of our CMs going anywhere this Summer.

Fair enough, but I don't think Moussa is someone that is continually taking shots rather than playing passes. The only shots I can think of that haven't resulted in goals for Moussa (I'm only taking about the home games here) are the one he put over the top on Saturday and the air shot on Saturday.

I don't see Moussa taking many shots on, whereas Macca appears, at times, to have a shot on sight policy. How many times has Macca taken a shot on as opposed to slip someone in, or take a touch and look for a pass. His taken on numerous volleys when the ball has come out of the box this season that have been health and safety risks to the fans.

Don't get me wrong, I like Macca. I had a major issue with him earlier on in the season, around the Stockport away game, because of his form and fitness but it appears to be something he has addressed as he has had a strong end to the season, like a lot of the side.

I'm a Macca fan, obviously not as much as you, but I can appreciate what he brings to the side in his never say die attitude, but there have been games where he is "found out". The best central midfield pairing we have had this season has been JFC and Sawyer.

 

[BrettieAngell]

Fair enough, but I don't think Moussa is someone that is continually taking shots rather than playing passes. The only shots I can think of that haven't resulted in goals for Moussa (I'm only taking about the home games here) are the one he put over the top on Saturday and the air shot on Saturday.

Moussa had an attempt after a long run from our own half (not dissimilar to his goal against Hartlepool) that the keeper saved on Saturday if you watch the virgin highlights it's on there, I think he shots quite alot actually and sometimes when he shouldn't.

 

[Beefy]

I dont think we need Sawyer, yes he did well but is he much better than what we have? No.

I guess that that is the real question here. If he's not much better than what we've got then we'd be better off spending the time and money involved in signing him on other areas of the side where we have less cover.

Personally I think that Sawyer is much better and is worth spending the time and money on. He's a much more cultured player than anyone else that we've got and whilst he hasn't reached the heights that he reached with us with either Coventry or Wycombe, he's got the ability to play at a much higher level one day, IMO.

If Sawyer does sign though then I don't see how Moussa will ever get a run in the middle.