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[Xàbia Shrimper]

Why has ShrimperZone suddenly moved from a place for free speech to a forum where the moderators decide what can or what cannot be said or discussed?! The debate was still valid and we were coming towards a mutual understanding albeit very slowly. But then a moderator closes it!! Unbelievable! Be grown up, if it bores you, don't read it anymore! But allow other people to be able to discuss these subjects!!

Jeez! Would never have happened in my day!

 

[Joolz]

Agreed Mike. I don't understand it at all. Especially as I was about to add a reply that disagreed with your stance!

 

[Smiffy]

Love it, I feel an uprising of SZ members coming along!!..

 

[The Flying Scotsman]

Quote[/b] ]If families and kids are openly chanting for Manchester United without any hint of provocation towards home fans (i.e. their support is directed towards the players on the pitch), I can't see anything wrong with that and, in anything, it will enhance the atmosphere.

Would have added my comment in the correct topic before it was locked, but In reference to Mikes quote above, do you not think that chanting for the away team in the home end is provocation regardless of where there support is directed. Anyone starts chanting Man U songs near me will soon be told in no uncertain terms where they should go.

And Mike - You're a numpty! Get back to your swimming pool.

 

[The Flying Scotsman]

Quote[/b] (Joolz @ Nov. 03 2006,13:36)]Agreed Mike. I don't understand it at all. Especially as I was about to add a reply that disagreed with your stance!  

Just do it here. I have.

 

[Smiffy]

Quote[/b] (The Flying Scotsman @ Nov. 03 2006,13:38)]

Quote[/b] ]If families and kids are openly chanting for Manchester United without any hint of provocation towards home fans (i.e. their support is directed towards the players on the pitch), I can't see anything wrong with that and, in anything, it will enhance the atmosphere.

Would have added my comment in the correct topic before it was locked, but In reference to Mikes quote above, do you not think that chanting for the away team in the home end is provocation regardless of where there support is directed. Anyone starts chanting Man U songs near me will soon be told in no uncertain terms where they should go.

Well said FS, this is the stance I shall also be taking, unless it is a woman or young child of course...

Any male over 18 is fair game for some abuse in my book.

 

[stickyboy]

Dont think anyone will be too bothered if any Man Utd fans are just sitting there watching the game, if they stand up in our end and start singing then its different. On the other hand if they get up and start singing its likely to get any Southend fans up for singing more to shut them up so could work out better for atmos.

 

[Smiffy]

Quote[/b] (stickyboy @ Nov. 03 2006,13:43)]Dont think anyone will be too bothered if any Man Utd fans are just sitting there watching the game, if they stand up in our end and start singing then its different. On the other hand if they get up and start singing its likely to get any Southend fans up for singing more to shut them up so could work out better for atmos.

If any Mancs sing in the home ends, it will raise the atmosphere, but it will also help turn it nasty...

 

[Joolz]

Quote[/b] (The Flying Scotsman @ Nov. 03 2006,13:38)]

Quote[/b] (Joolz @ Nov. 03 2006,13:36)]Agreed Mike. I don't understand it at all. Especially as I was about to add a reply that disagreed with your stance!  

Just do it here. I have.

OK, I'll add this.

Generally speaking I don't dislike Man U fans at all, but I do dislike southern based Man U fans who have no connection with the club whatsoever, and will probably jump ship as soon as another team starts to dominate and United don't win anything for a couple of seasons.

And I especially dislike the fact that some of these fans have acquired tickets for the game at the expense of some very genuine and lloyal Southend fans. If they are so desparate to see them play, why don't they go to Old Trafford instead, where at least they will see the first team?

So I don't understand why we should be tolerant of Man U fans in the home end. If we want to generate an intimidating atmosphere at Roots Hall, we aren't going to do it by being 'one big happy family' all sitting together.

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (The Flying Scotsman @ Nov. 03 2006,14:38)]... do you not think that chanting for the away team in the home end is provocation regardless of where there support is directed. Anyone starts chanting Man U songs near me will soon be told in no uncertain terms where they should go.

But my point is: there's a good chance that there will be a lot of kids in the ground on Tuesday night. Kids probably won't understand the concept of provocation on a scale conducive to football. They will be watching Manchester United - their team - and they will most probably sing the praises of that team. And I'm sure (hope?) most people here will understand that there is nothing wrong with that? Which is my point. If it's a bunch of kids, are you really going to advocate the use of strong-arm tactics to get them out of the home areas?

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (The Flying Scotsman @ Nov. 03 2006,14:38)]And Mike - You're a numpty! Get back to your swimming pool.

Numpty back ...

 

[Smiffy]

Well said Joolz, top post.

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (stickyboy @ Nov. 03 2006,14:43)]Dont think anyone will be too bothered if any Man Utd fans are just sitting there watching the game, if they stand up in our end and start singing then its different. On the other hand if they get up and start singing its likely to get any Southend fans up for singing more to shut them up so could work out better for atmos.

BINGO!

 

[The Flying Scotsman]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ Nov. 03 2006,13:50)]

Quote[/b] (The Flying Scotsman @ Nov. 03 2006,14:38)]... do you not think that chanting for the away team in the home end is provocation regardless of where there support is directed. Anyone starts chanting Man U songs near me will soon be told in no uncertain terms where they should go.

But my point is: there's a good chance that there will be a lot of kids in the ground on Tuesday night. Kids probably won't understand the concept of provocation on a scale conducive to football. They will be watching Manchester United - their team - and they will most probably sing the praises of that team. And I'm sure (hope?) most people here will understand that there is nothing wrong with that? Which is my point. If it's a bunch of kids, are you really going to advocate the use of strong-arm tactics to get them out of the home areas?

No. I'm just going to tell them to shut the f%&k up.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Here's some free speech for you Mike - you're turning into a boring, bittor person who clearly has nothing else whatsoever to do with his day than find 'sport' on here.

Last time anyone checked every forum on the internet had moderators that are freely able to decide what is appropriate content and take action as they see fit. If you want endless fights - shrimpers.net is for you - feel free to use it.

You're right it would never have happened 'in your day' because you used to be interesting and have other things in your life.

You grow up - or bore off!

 

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ Nov. 03 2006,13:31)]Jeez! Would never have happened in my day!

Of course it would, and of course it did. Frequently. If anything, topics have been locked less frequently in the last six months than they were in the proceeding six months.

The decision to lock or not to lock threads is not, of course, an entirely precise science. However, what is beyond question is that the moderators have always had the entirely unfettered right to move and/or lock those threads which in their opinion needed to be moderated.

It is a right which shall be continued to be exercised in the manner in which we consider to be in the best interests of the board.

MtS

 

[Smiffy]

Meeeeoooowww!!!.

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Joolz @ Nov. 03 2006,14:49)]... I especially dislike the fact that some of these fans have acquired tickets for the game at the expense of some very genuine and lloyal Southend fans. If they are so desparate to see them play, why don't they go to Old Trafford instead, where at least they will see the first team?

Whilst I understand that point, if these genuine and loyal fans really wanted to attend the game, why didn't they queue up at 4am in the morning to get themselves a ticket? These Manchester United fans were desperate to see their team play (they might not get the chance to do so otherwise) so they suffered numbing cold on Tuesday night and fully deserve a ticket. As does Aberdeen Shrimper, who drove down from the Highlands because he desperately wanted to go, which kinda puts a shuddering halt to all those complaints from exiles, eh?

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

If I see a kid wearing a Man U scarf in the home end I'm certainly going to make a comment.

Wearing another team's colours in the home end is wrong.

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Spaceman Spiff @ Nov. 03 2006,14:53)]Here's some free speech for you Mike - you're turning into a boring, bittor person who clearly has nothing else whatsoever to do with his day than find 'sport' on here.

Last time anyone checked every forum on the internet had moderators that are freely able to decide what is appropriate content and take action as they see fit. If you want endless fights - shrimpers.net is for you - feel free to use it.

You're right it would never have happened 'in your day' because you used to be interesting and have other things in your life.

You grow up - or bore off!

I think the power of the moderator has gone slightly to your head and this forum has become poorer for it. Whatever happened to Matt's passionate cry that he'll defend the right for freedom of speech? Obviously doesn't apply to some people, does it? I think the other moderators need to take a close look at practices because in recent months they have been become more and more restrictive ...