Local elections 2018

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Westminster - which was a very ambitious target for Labour ended as 41 Tory seats to 19 Labour but the share of the vote was 42.8% to 41.1% - that gives a different perspective.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Laura Kunnesburg (BBC politics reporter) has put it as a clear vote for the same status quo. I am not rocking around the world about that: to me it shows why politicians have such little respect for the electorate as it appears most will just vote the way they always have - or not bother in the majority of cases.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Labour will make gains whenever the results are announced.:raspberry:

Actually about two thirds of the votes will be declared overnight on Friday.

Ever heard of exit polls?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43973936

How did your exit polls go for this one?

The Tories seem to be marginally up outside of London.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Still only two thirds of results in. Currently Labour and LibDems are +40 seats each, UKIP down 96 and Tories unchanged

 

[Benfleet A1]

Still only two thirds of results in. Currently Labour and LibDems are +40 seats each, UKIP down 96 and Tories unchanged

Been a interesting debate on LBC about the results. The general concencus seems to be that people like Labour polices but don't like the thought of Corbyn being in charge.

Possibly something in that?

 

[OldBlueLady]

Been a interesting debate on LBC about the results. The general concencus seems to be that people like Labour polices but don't like the thought of Corbyn being in charge.

Possibly something in that?

I alluded to this on one of the other myriad of politics threads the other day, him and Abbot are working almost as secret agents for the Tories!

 

[Uncle Leo]

Been a interesting debate on LBC about the results. The general concencus seems to be that people like Labour polices but don't like the thought of Corbyn being in charge.

Possibly something in that?

I think there is plenty in that.

 

[Firestorm]

Been a interesting debate on LBC about the results. The general concencus seems to be that people like Labour polices but don't like the thought of Corbyn being in charge.

Possibly something in that?

That has happened before with Michael Foot , its as if people actually like stuff that is good for society and the people but don't like socialists.....

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Owen Jones:


Almost everywhere Momentum campaigned won big gains for Labour.


TRAFFORD: Tories lost for the first time since 2004.
PORTSMOUTH: We won 4 new seats (only a third of seats up for grabs)
WANDSWORTH: 7 new seats; lost by 200 votes
SWINDON: Labour's vote went from 30.2% to 42.4%

 

[Uncle Leo]

Owen Jones:


Almost everywhere Momentum campaigned won big gains for Labour.


TRAFFORD: Tories lost for the first time since 2004.
PORTSMOUTH: We won 4 new seats (only a third of seats up for grabs)
WANDSWORTH: 7 new seats; lost by 200 votes
SWINDON: Labour's vote went from 30.2% to 42.4%

Still only one of those councils are now under Labour control though. Decent progress, but much like the last GE, not actually winning.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Been a interesting debate on LBC about the results. The general concencus seems to be that people like Labour polices but don't like the thought of Corbyn being in charge.

Possibly something in that?

only in so much as any party leader divides opinion. He has invigorated the party and turned it into a mass movement and increased the vote share to 40% at the general election. Many people will not vote Labour because of him and many more will. Of those that will 100% do, of those that won't how many would no matter who the leader is? People who would never vote Labour who now won't vote Labour because of Corbyn is still no vote just for a more specific reason.
Who would you replace Corbyn with? (If anyone says David Miliband I'll throw my phone out of the window)
Who would you replace May with? (If anyone says Boris Johnson I'll throw my phone out of the window)
Who would you replace Cablevwith? (If anyone has a suggestion I'll be surprised)

No politician exists right now that can appeal to the majority of the population, hasn't been since Blair and that was short lived.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Owen Jones:


Almost everywhere Momentum campaigned won big gains for Labour.


TRAFFORD: Tories lost for the first time since 2004.
PORTSMOUTH: We won 4 new seats (only a third of seats up for grabs)
WANDSWORTH: 7 new seats; lost by 200 votes
SWINDON: Labour's vote went from 30.2% to 42.4%

Why did Momentum, a grass roots movement, only campaign in 4 places?

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Still only one of those councils are now under Labour control though. Decent progress, but much like the last GE, not actually winning.

one extra council, which is in addition to the high start point of 2014.
The final outcome of the Brexit deal is going to make such fundamental changes to the Tories fortunes that being neck and neck till that point is fine. Their Brexit actions will define their elect-ability at the next GE or before. I'm expecting it not to be good news for them - but its 100% in their hands.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Why did Momentum, a grass roots movement, only campaign in 4 places?

cut and paste from twitter so he had character limits. Momentum campaigned in most places but these were places where they concentrated their efforts.

 

[RHB]

I have no idea what the mean average was across the country when it came to turn-out stats, but, as Firestorm has pointed out, the turn-out for the Southend wards was nothing short of pathetic,only 2 wards in Southend with over 40% turnout, Kursaal - 24.4%).

Whenever folk are asked by the Echo, pretty much there is very vocal critcism of the local council or the state of the town, or both. Threads on here have mirrored that view and I have yet to hear anyone say 'I couldn't care less, they can do what they like, because I don't vote'. Seems to me that apathy is the order of the day and things won't change much, if at all, in Southend until very many more electors actually exercise their right to vote and hold councillors to account.

 

[rigsby]

only in so much as any party leader divides opinion. He has invigorated the party and turned it into a mass movement and increased the vote share to 40% at the general election. Many people will not vote Labour because of him and many more will. Of those that will 100% do, of those that won't how many would no matter who the leader is? People who would never vote Labour who now won't vote Labour because of Corbyn is still no vote just for a more specific reason.
Who would you replace Corbyn with? (If anyone says David Miliband I'll throw my phone out of the window)
Who would you replace May with? (If anyone says Boris Johnson I'll throw my phone out of the window)
Who would you replace Cablevwith? (If anyone has a suggestion I'll be surprised)

No politician exists right now that can appeal to the majority of the population, hasn't been since Blair and that was short lived.

Apart from Nigel Farage of course. He not only got a true majority he got 17m votes.

Just think if only Labour would listen to the real workers of Britain rather than the white privileged champagne socialists who spend their time mocking and sneering at us......How different life would be

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

cut and paste from twitter so he had character limits. Momentum campaigned in most places but these were places where they concentrated their efforts.

Owen Jones does seem to have character limits, but I still don't see how Momentum can have had such a big effect when Labour's overall results are so flat and they've lost more councils than they've won. Every party's percentage is going up because of UKIP's explosion.

Plus they had an absolute open goal of being up against a government pre-occupied with in-fighting over Brexit, who presided over Grenfell, Windrush scandal, in an economy where prices are growing faster than wages etc. They should be absolutely hammering this administration.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Apart from Nigel Farage of course. He not only got a true majority he got 17m votes.

Just think if only Labour would listen to the real workers of Britain rather than the white privileged champagne socialists who spend their time mocking and sneering at us......How different life would be

Jesus Christ!!

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Owen Jones does seem to have character limits, but I still don't see how Momentum can have had such a big effect when Labour's overall results are so flat and they've lost more councils than they've won. Every party's percentage is going up because of UKIP's explosion.

Plus they had an absolute open goal of being up against a government pre-occupied with in-fighting over Brexit, who presided over Grenfell, Windrush scandal, in an economy where prices are growing faster than wages etc. They should be absolutely hammering this administration.

I left that there for you to pick up, I hope you appreciate it.

Yes agreed, no one should vote Tory but a lot of people are set it their ways and a lot of others are scared of the word socialist.

Momentum galvanise canvassers and offer a level of engagement that other parties are envious of. They have also 'won' social media.

Results still coming in but with 20 yet to declare Labour are +60, LibDems +43, Tories -2 and UKIP - 120
So Tory % of the vote may be up? but currently down on Councillors.

Context is needed - +60 is not flat, it's not emphatic but any means but it is an improvement on the 2014 high point.
2017 GE saw the biggest increase in vote since 1945 and that was mostly because of the manifesto and the campaign, and Momentum were a big influence on the campaign.

Whatever your politics public engagement in the process has to be seen as a positive and Momentum have enabled a large increase in that.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Apart from Nigel Farage of course. He not only got a true majority he got 17m votes.

Just think if only Labour would listen to the real workers of Britain rather than the white privileged champagne socialists who spend their time mocking and sneering at us......How different life would be

I don't remember seeing his name on my ballot paper in June 2016.

We've seen that when his name is on a ballot paper in a UK parliamentary election, he's got a quite stunning record.