Leeds United - Points Deduction Appeal

[secondalibi]

Sorry don't know if this has been discussed before........

I just wondered what everyone thinks would happen if Leeds were given back some or even all of their 15 point dedcution. What would we and other clubs in our league would do in protest, as it would be totally unfair. We all know that the play-off picture is very tight and we have a rough idea of how many points we need to get into the play-offs and the whole thing would become a joke if Leeds suddenly gain back some points, it would be ridiculous. I heard recently that the other clubs in division have already threatened a strike.

- G

 

[MK Shrimper]

Absolute travesty if they do.

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

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I've got a bad feeling about this! :(

 

[BrettieAngell]

"Probably the biggest hurdle is that Leeds actually signed a document to say they would take the Golden Share but they would accept the 15-point deduction "

How on earth can they have a case?

 

[C C Csiders]

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I've got a bad feeling about this! :(

I would think they will almost ceratinly get back at least 5 of the 15 points. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they get them all back. I think this is more to do with them being called LEEDS UNITED rather than for any other reason. Were it any of the other 23 teams in the league (posssibly Forest aside) there's be no chance of getting the points back.

 

[Suffolk Blue]

I would think they will almost ceratinly get back at least 5 of the 15 points. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they get them all back. I think this is more to do with them being called LEEDS UNITED rather than for any other reason. Were it any of the other 23 teams in the league (posssibly Forest aside) there's be no chance of getting the points back.

Given that they accepted an agreement whereby they lost 15points in exchange for them being exempted from a rule that meant they couldn't compete at all. I don't think they'll succeed.

I think that any positives they may gain from being LEEDS UNITED are more than balanced-out by the fact that it's KEN BATES who is involved.

I think the League should propose that the agreement be torn up, the 15point penalty removed, and the Golden Share removed also. Leeds get removed from the league; we lose 3 points we gained from them at home and might suffer overall but I'd take that if they got thrown out.

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

I think the League should propose that the agreement be torn up, the 15point penalty removed, and the Golden Share removed also. Leeds get removed from the league; we lose 3 points we gained from them at home and might suffer overall but I'd take that if they got thrown out.

Ooooh, I like that scenario, fairly unlikely to happen though!

 

[fatshrimp]

I reckon they'll get 5 points back.

Like spoilt children, kicking up a fuss and shouting, they will feel fully vindicated with their approach throughout this whole affair.

 

[haveaguiness]

personally i think if the points are given back to leeds, then the contract they signed has been broken, therefore the golden share has to be removed meaning leeds will not be able to compete in any competition.
If they would have sorted it out quicker in the first place then they would never have been in this position. Its there own fault for spending money they dont have in the first place!

 

[Firestorm]

I am with suffolk, if they want the agreement quashed then quash all of the agreement.

 

[Medway Blue]

Given that they accepted an agreement whereby they lost 15points in exchange for them being exempted from a rule that meant they couldn't compete at all. I don't think they'll succeed.

I think that any positives they may gain from being LEEDS UNITED are more than balanced-out by the fact that it's KEN BATES who is involved.

I think the League should propose that the agreement be torn up, the 15point penalty removed, and the Golden Share removed also. Leeds get removed from the league; we lose 3 points we gained from them at home and might suffer overall but I'd take that if they got thrown out.

Well put mate! Was good to meet you on Tuesday night. Thanks again for the ride, was a laugh. Hopefully I can come along to an away game or two!

 

[Cricko]

I can't say how mad I would get if Weeds again beat the system ...bunch of ****s ...:madman:

 

[Beefy]

I would think they will almost ceratinly get back at least 5 of the 15 points. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they get them all back. I think this is more to do with them being called LEEDS UNITED rather than for any other reason. Were it any of the other 23 teams in the league (posssibly Forest aside) there's be no chance of getting the points back.

Possibly. But I don't think any of the other 23 teams in the league (possibly Forest aside) would have been given the 15 point penalty in the first place.

I've got no love for Leeds and would be gutted if they get a single point back, let alone the full 15, but let's not pretend that the FA and the Football League have punished them for not getting the CVA in place. Leeds got a 15 point deduction because the FA had taken so much stick over them exploiting the loophole that allowed them to go into administration when they were virtually relegated already. The League then jumped all over this CVA stuff in order to give Leeds an actual penalty for going into Administration. There was very little consideration given to the long-term implications of the 15-point deduction, given the new policy that the HMRC have of rejecting any footballing CVA that doesn't agree to repay them in full.

Had us or Luton gone into administration in the way that Leeds did and then had troubles with the HMRC there is no way on Earth we'd have been given a 15 point penalty.

Again, don't think I'm being sympathetic to Leeds, I just think this whole affair is a shambles from start to finish and I think it'll drag on. Orient have said that they'll go to Court if Leeds getting points back denies them of a Play-Off spot. It won't because they'll be mid-table but I wonder what Ron Martin's attitude, with a new stadium to build, will be if we end up in 7th with Leeds above us.

This should never have happened in the first place. Anyone who goes into Administration should be automatically relegated at least one division. That might actually force clubs to keep their finances in check. 10 points is no deterrant at all.

 

[number11]

This should never have happened in the first place. Anyone who goes into Administration should be automatically relegated at least one division. That might actually force clubs to keep their finances in check. 10 points is no deterrant at all.

Especially when you have already been relegated!

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

but I wonder what Ron Martin's attitude, with a new stadium to build, will be if we end up in 7th with Leeds above us.

Exactly what I asked after the story came out about Orient (& to a lesser extent Donny Rovers) being prepared ot fight this if they needed to.

I think Ron should clarify Southend's position prior to the case hearing so that we all know where we stand should we finish in 6th place but be relegated to 7th if/when Leeds points penalty is reduced!

 

[sosman]

Can I just point out that a "25-30% chance of success" is pss poor.

If you were a solicitor advising someone on a case -whether it was a personal injury case, consumer claim, whatever - and that was your assessment of the prospects of success of tha tclaim you would be telling the client to forget about it as it wasn't worth the risk of going down in a ball of flames (i.e having to pay the other side's costs).

The point I am making is that this sports lawyer talks as if-and folk on this board have interpreted this way- 25-30% is somehow a good or even fair prospect of success. But it's not, it's absolute crap.

I would be surprised and disappointed if a High Court judge didn't see through this claim for the rubbish that it is. At least we know that the fact that 'it's Leeds' will count for absolutely nothing before the arbitrator.

I'd be reasonably confident about this.

 

[les@donr]

The FL is aware that if they award any points back to L**ds there will be serious rammifications throughout L1, with a host of clubs being prepared and willing to take legal action against both the FL and L1, which includes some wealthy chairmen, John Ryan of Doncaster Rovers is worth at least £32m, he could afford a top lawyer to fight the case alone, but would want other chairmen to be with him to form a united front, Barry Hearn at Orient has got a sizeable nest egg, which I'm sure he would be willing to dip into on behalf of Orient. This could be an interesting saga, making L**ds more unpopular than they already are, if that is possible.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

The FL is aware that if they award any points back to L**ds there will be serious rammifications throughout L1, with a host of clubs being prepared and willing to take legal action against both the FL and L1, which includes some wealthy chairmen, John Ryan of Doncaster Rovers is worth at least £32m, he could afford a top lawyer to fight the case alone, but would want other chairmen to be with him to form a united front, Barry Hearn at Orient has got a sizeable nest egg, which I'm sure he would be willing to dip into on behalf of Orient. This could be an interesting saga, making L**ds more unpopular than they already are, if that is possible.

The trouble is, as the Wet Sham scandal showed, the chairmen are all mouth and back down as soon as their club is no longer effected. Sheff Utd were left fighting the corner of justice alone.

 

[les@donr]

Yorkshire Blue, John Ryan has to put it bluntly got balls, if he says he will something he will do it, he has taken Rovers from nearly folding to edge of the CCC, he took on the council and got a new stadium, he sacked one of most successful managers and poached a manager who he thought would take Rovers to the next level. He will take action against Leeds alone, if he has too, plus he is well respected amongst other chairmen as to his efforts at Rovers, and will get some of their support. Despite being 2nd and 3rd Rovers and Carlisle have a great affinity, so my guess they would support any action John Ryan would take.

 

[discord]

Sorry don't know if this has been discussed before........

I just wondered what everyone thinks would happen if Leeds were given back some or even all of their 15 point dedcution. What would we and other clubs in our league would do in protest, as it would be totally unfair. We all know that the play-off picture is very tight and we have a rough idea of how many points we need to get into the play-offs and the whole thing would become a joke if Leeds suddenly gain back some points, it would be ridiculous. I heard recently that the other clubs in division have already threatened a strike.

- G

Quite simple really :puke
They should be deducted even more points for being the Arsenal of Yorkshire!