Late out...

[palexander]

Just remembered - why were we about 5 minutes late out of the dressing rooms at the start of the game?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt that a punishable offence under FA ruling? Either way, has anyone got any info on why it happened?

 

[SUFC_Spike]

I believe it was because Flavs had to change his shirt from green to gray as the referee said he couldn't wear his normal green kit as the Leicester 'keeper was also wearing green.

 

[palexander]

Quote[/b] (SUFC_Spike @ Aug. 26 2006,22:17)]I believe it was because Flavs had to change his shirt from green to gray as the referee said he couldn't wear his normal green kit as the Leicester 'keeper was also wearing green.

Oh what is going on in football at the moment!!! As if Flavs and their keeper are gonna clash....

Its all Ben Thatchers fault!

 

[Bielzibubz]

Quote[/b] (pboreham @ Aug. 26 2006,22:19)]

Quote[/b] (SUFC_Spike @ Aug. 26 2006,22:17)]I believe it was because Flavs had to change his shirt from green to gray as the referee said he couldn't wear his normal green kit as the Leicester 'keeper was also wearing green.

Oh what is going on in football at the moment!!! As if Flavs and their keeper are gonna clash....

Its all Ben Thatchers fault!

I agree. Should be shot at dawn, or at least after iv'e had my first brew of the day

 

[SUFC_Spike]

I agree, if that is why it was (I can't say I'm totally sure that's what it was) it is frankly pathetic, but I thought that was the tone from the ref all day today if I'm being honest...

 

[Shrimper2thecore]

They would clash if one keeper went forward at the end to try and save the game at a corner, and then it is not allowed!!

That is the reason behing why the two keepers cant wear the same colour tops!!

 

[EastStandBlue]

Ref started as he meant to go on then

 

[palexander]

Quote[/b] (Shrimper2thecore @ Aug. 27 2006,12:32)]They would clash if one keeper went forward at the end to try and save the game at a corner, and then it is not allowed!!

That is the reason behing why the two keepers cant wear the same colour tops!!

I take your point but how rare is that? Think I've seen it once live and about 5 times on hundreds of TV games...

 

[Pubey]

rules are rules, didnt think the ref was the worst but for a couple of bizarre advantage decisions and booking barrett for cleaning winning a 2 footed challenge, i think its a disgrace that you can get carded for a a clean tackle, even if its 2 footed or from behind. if you go through the player than fair enough

 

[Andy_S]

Would've thought that something like that would've been planned before they made it out into the tunnel?

The ref in the Daggers friendly checked with Flavs what colour he was wearing during the warm up. And he was a terrible ref!

 

[Angell Delight]

Quote[/b] (jontosh2001 @ Aug. 27 2006,18:52)]i think its a disgrace that you can get carded for a a clean tackle, even if its 2 footed or from behind. if you go through the player than fair enough

If its 2-footed and the ball is won it's still a free kick and a yellow card simple as that, it annoys me when referee's don't do their job in this respect.

 

[Pubey]

even if there is no contact?? i can understand the rules being more strictly applied to get rid of bad and dangerous tackles, but barrett didnt touch the player and got a straight yellow just because it is two-footed, not for the actual tackle which wasn't even a foul.

 

[Angell Delight]

Contact is irrelevant mate, a 2-footed challenge is considered dangerous even if the ball is cleanly won. Obviously there are some 2-footed tackles that are horrendous and others in which the player wins the ball and the referee will react differently to each but both are still penal offences. The bad ones will be dealt with in the severest possible manner and the so called "minor ones" SHOULD (if the referee is doing his job) be dealt with via a free kick and yellow card. Even as a referee myself I can understand why players feel hard done by in this respect but I also fully agree with the directive to caution players for the lesser offence as any 2-footed tackle is rightly considered dangerous. If an incident of this nature happens in any of my games I explain the decision but I ALWAYS caution every time.

 

[Pubey]

fair enough, i just think its a problem with the rules, it seems there are more cards and fouls being given for "attempted fouls" or tackles without contact (like the gerrard penalty last weekend). automatically giving a yellow for a two-footed tackle or attempted tackle seems to be the wrong way of making our game safer. i am more for taking retrospective than preemptive action, punish the actual foul or challange, with replays or whatever (whilst letting the game flow) than blowing up every time a player slides in 1 or 2 footed for the ball, whether or not it is a legal tackle.

also what is the official ruling for 2 footed tackles, are they specifically outlawed in the rules or is it more an interpretation?

 

[Pubey]

fair enough, i just think its a problem with the rules, it seems there are more cards and fouls being given for "attempted fouls" or tackles without contact (like the gerrard penalty last weekend). automatically giving a yellow for a two-footed tackle or attempted tackle seems to be the wrong way of making our game safer. i am more for taking retrospective than preemptive action, punish the actual foul or challange, with replays or whatever (whilst letting the game flow) than blowing up every time a player slides in 1 or 2 footed for the ball, whether or not it is a legal tackle.

also what is the official ruling for 2 footed tackles, are they specifically outlawed in the rules or is it more an interpretation?

 

[Angell Delight]

Quote[/b] (jontosh2001 @ Aug. 27 2006,22:02)]also what is the official ruling for 2 footed tackles, are they specifically outlawed in the rules or is it more an interpretation?

Personally for me the Gerrard incident was a penalty - I was only surprised Morgan wasn't red-carded!!!

As for the ruling ANY 2-footed tackles should be punished with a yellow card AT LEAST and red if they are considered serious offences. The severity of the challenge is down to the referee (or in some cases assistant's) interpretation but any 2-footed challenge MUST be punished one way or the other.

 

[Pubey]

but again with the gerrard penatly it at first seemed that there was contact, but hten the replays seemed to suggest that there wasnt. apparently in the ref's report is suggested that it was an attempted foul.

again i understand when 2-footed tackles are deemed dangerous, i just wish the rules would still allow for well timed, clean tackles of any type. however i suppose there have been too many ended careers for this to be the case.

 

[Angell Delight]

Gerrard attempted to avoid the challenge coming in and this was detrimental to his control of the ball as it played a major part in him losing his balance when it came to the final shot. Had Gerrard not attempted to avoid the challenge a penalty would have been the only outcome as Morgan would still have got nowhere near the ball. If the referee doesn't award a penalty in a situation such as the one at Brammall Lane (provided he is satisfied simulation played no part) then Gerrard is effectively being penalised for attempting to stay on his feet - some referee's would have given it and some wouldn't (hence the Shearer-Hansen debate on MotD) but again for me it's a pen, contact doesn't necessarily always have to be made for a free kick/penalty to be awarded.

On 2-footed challenges I doubt any will ever be legal and rightly so in my honest opinion, they are dangerous and while some deserve yellow and some red only these sanctions will keep them to a minimum in the game and that can only be good as many careers have been ended by them as you say. If 2-footed challenges that win the ball are seen to be accepted as legal tackles we'll undoubtedly see a lot more players attempting them each week which will lead to more nasty injuries than we see currently. It only takes one mistimed lunge to break someone's leg and no matter how frustrated players get when they're penalised for winning the ball 2-footed the directive is ultimately there for their protection and those of their fellow pro's and that has to be the priority.

 

[sufcintheprem]

sufcintheprem in agreeing with Angell Delight shocker! I thought the Gerrard one should have been a pen too. If it wasn't for Morgan's intervention that didn't win the ball then Gerrard would have been clean through. It shouldn't be the case that Gerrard has to risk injury to get a pen in that situation. The only problem is if this starts happening more often with the problems we have with diving.

Regarding the Barrett yellow card, my mates who were in the Leicester end reckoned it was probably the best thing anyone did in the match and rewarding it with a yellow probably made players wonder whether they should bother. I had to agree.

 

[Pubey]

good points about the gerrard pen, just didnt really think that you can be penalised for putting someone off, as gerrard obviously was because morgans attempted tackle was wild and mistimed

also agree that barretts tackle was excellent, and it is a shame that the rules say that he has to be penalised for it, but rules are rules and i can understand why two-footed tackles are now outlawed