Kights.

[LBBlue]

Honestly McGlashan being able to get into a position to cross makes him better than a lot of wingers we've had at the club, even if his end product is lacking at times. If he could do it all he wouldn't be League 1, I'm pretty happy with how he's started the season. He already looks miles better than last year and hopefully as his confidence grows he'll be able to iron out the errors, it seems a bit early to write him off when he's been one of our only threats.

I think I could probably name at least 15 wingers who I have seen at the club better than McGlashan.

John McKinven, Derek Woodley, Peter Taylor, Colin Morris, Terry Johnson, Martin Ling, Ryan Hall for starters.

Steven Clark and Gordon Connelly may be not so good.

I admire him for being a trier but we need better.

 

[fbm]

I think I could probably name at least 15 wingers who I have seen at the club better than McGlashan.

John McKinven, Derek Woodley, Peter Taylor, Colin Morris, Terry Johnson, Martin Ling, Ryan Hall for starters.

Steven Clark and Gordon Connelly may be not so good.

I admire him for being a trier but we need better.

Ricky Otto, Kevin O'Callaghan, Andy Ansah... now I'm struggling

 

[Beefy]

Right footed wingers often prefer playing on the left as it means they can cut inside. Gower already said it was the side he preferred to play and Kightly has a similar playing style.

 

[southendkid]

I think I could probably name at least 15 wingers who I have seen at the club better than McGlashan.

John McKinven, Derek Woodley, Peter Taylor, Colin Morris, Terry Johnson, Martin Ling, Ryan Hall for starters.

Steven Clark and Gordon Connelly may be not so good.

I admire him for being a trier but we need better.

If you have to go back to the 60s to name 15 wingers better than him that would suggest we've had a lot worse than McGlashan at the club.

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

Silly me I should have realised that he aims at the first defender hoping they will head it into their own goal.

And then blasts a shot against a defender hoping it will ricochet up into the air so that their keeper will fluff it and allow Lenny to score.

I will give you he showed a bit of tenacity toe poking a ball that nearly got away from him to Robinson for the third goal.

I thought he offered nothing yet we got 2 goals in 2 games from his play. Maybe be a little more balanced in your posts for them to be taken seriously.

 

[onceknownasrab]

Two sides to a debate here. There are injuries and enforced positional changes that have led to below par performances. Adversely we have enough quality, experienced players, that can put their best foot forward when things are not ideal. So it raises the questions as to how many have really stepped up to the plate and how many have been found wanting? If, as I suspect, most of you think we have had too few shining stars in the face of adversity, we have to ask why?

I always believe that everything starts from the back. If the keeper is having a poor game it puts jitters into all the players in front of him. If the defence is suspect, the keeper is exposed, the mids hold back and the frontline get little or no service. Oxley seems to be doing his bit but the defence, prior to the patched up one against Rochdale, has been suspect. The ripples have been felt throughout the side. I am of the opinion that when/if we sort the defence, we will then see better performances throughout the team. JM may even have a target to hit in the box now and then.

 

[LBBlue]

Ricky Otto, Kevin O'Callaghan, Andy Ansah... now I'm struggling

Alan Rogers, Andy Rogers, Bernie Lewis, Malcolm Slater, I liked Scottie Houghton, Adrian Clarke.
Ron Pountney played right flank a lot so did Terry Gray.
Gerry Fell. Julian Hails, Paul Byrne. Jamal Cambell-Ryce.

Tilson didn't really play out and out wingers but Gower and Pettefer played on the flanks.

Stuart Brace and David Crown started as wingers but not for us. Ken Foggo.

Another couple who weren't so great were Ian Cowan and Jackie Ferguson.

I'm not sure where you put Scott Forbes Dave Chambers and John Baber.

 

[LBBlue]

I thought he offered nothing yet we got 2 goals in 2 games from his play. Maybe be a little more balanced in your posts for them to be taken seriously.

I didn't say he offered nothing - just that he is a bit limited. The stats show that when he has to start we don't do usually do very well.

Look at the breakaway in the first half against Gillingham when he carried the ball 60 yards -slipped it right to Kightly on his outside and then what did he do? Stopped running - when he should have bust a gut to get to the near post in front of the keeper for Kightly's cross.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Alan Rogers, Andy Rogers, Bernie Lewis, Malcolm Slater, I liked Scottie Houghton, Adrian Clarke.
Ron Pountney played right flank a lot so did Terry Gray.
Gerry Fell. Julian Hails, Paul Byrne. Jamal Cambell-Ryce.

Tilson didn't really play out and out wingers but Gower and Pettefer played on the flanks.

Stuart Brace and David Crown started as wingers but not for us. Ken Foggo.

Another couple who weren't so great were Ian Cowan and Jackie Ferguson.

I'm not sure where you put Scott Forbes Dave Chambers and John Baber.

Seem to remember JB playing both as a winger and as an inside forward.

 

[Jam_Man]

I didn't say he offered nothing - just that he is a bit limited. The stats show that when he has to start we don't do usually do very well.

Look at the breakaway in the first half against Gillingham when he carried the ball 60 yards -slipped it right to Kightly on his outside and then what did he do? Stopped running - when he should have bust a gut to get to the near post in front of the keeper for Kightly's cross.

Thats a terrible stat when there are 22 players on the pitch. Results arent influenced solely by any one player.

That said I do agree to an extent, McGlashlan has looked bright and his pace has been an asset, but his final ball is terrible. Frustrating to see him get in a decent position and watch the ball go over the bar or straight to the keeper most of the time.

As for the original point of the thread, Kightly is more than happy on the left and has done well, not sure why the drama.

 

[LBBlue]

As for the original point of the thread, Kightly is more than happy on the left and has done well, not sure why the drama.

7 games one win.

McLaughlin needs to get match fit -we've just given him a three year contract. Then Kightly can go onto the right side.
I think the point is we did not get the best out of Kightly, who is clearly our most creative player and a goal scorer. On Saturday we created next to nothing against ten men. We remained far too defensive covering the back four in which we had our best two players. We should have adapted our tactics to the situation. Cox, Kightly and to an extent McLaughlin all seemed to be doing the same thing getting in each others way.

 

[Napster]

7 games one win.

McLaughlin needs to get match fit -we've just given him a three year contract. Then Kightly can go onto the right side.
I think the point is we did not get the best out of Kightly, who is clearly our most creative player and a goal scorer. On Saturday we created next to nothing against ten men. We remained far too defensive covering the back four in which we had our best two players. We should have adapted our tactics to the situation. Cox, Kightly and to an extent McLaughlin all seemed to be doing the same thing getting in each others way.

Fixed that for you

I think the point is that Wordsworth is injured, who is clearly our most creative player and a goal scorer.

 

[Beefy]

We remained far too defensive covering the back four in which we had our best two players. We should have adapted our tactics to the situation. Cox, Kightly and to an extent McLaughlin all seemed to be doing the same thing getting in each others way.

We did adapt our tactics to the situation - we had half the squad injured and had to field square pegs all over the field. Kightly is very clearly not a central midfielder at this level and certainly isn't suited to playing in midfield behind Simon Cox who wants to play in the space that Kightly probably would have liked to step into however it was a case of desperate times. I doubt Brown would play him there in any other circumstances.

 

[Jam_Man]

7 games one win.

McLaughlin needs to get match fit -we've just given him a three year contract. Then Kightly can go onto the right side.
I think the point is we did not get the best out of Kightly, who is clearly our most creative player and a goal scorer. On Saturday we created next to nothing against ten men. We remained far too defensive covering the back four in which we had our best two players. We should have adapted our tactics to the situation. Cox, Kightly and to an extent McLaughlin all seemed to be doing the same thing getting in each others way.

My comment about drama was about why focus on Kightly who has done well for us.

I appreciate the reason why people post negative threads because we have again started poorly, but thats not because we played Kightly on the left.

Hindsight is awesome for saying what we should have, but if we were defensive to cover the back four then thats surely perfectly understandable when we had to play a kid and a midfielder there?

As for adapting tactics, we did on Saturday to cope with the injuries.

 

[mrsblue]

My comment about drama was about why focus on Kightly who has done well for us.

I appreciate the reason why people post negative threads because we have again started poorly, but thats not because we played Kightly on the left.

Hindsight is awesome for saying what we should have, but if we were defensive to cover the back four then thats surely perfectly understandable when we had to play a kid and a midfielder there?

As for adapting tactics, we did on Saturday to cope with the injuries.

Contrary to some on here...Kights plays RW in most games,yes he can switch to the other flank if required but right footed players prefer playing where they can use their favoured foot without checking inside to get it on that favoured foot.

What hindsight exactly.....you sign old blokes then they have more chance of breaking down....you sign right footed players and then play them elsewhere that is foolish.Phil has had the entire close season to bring in bodies in case of injuries,he didn't and that ain't hindsight its damn foolish.

 

[TTS]

Just for the record, I think our start last season was poor, this season its been indifferent.

Our start last season, ie the poor one, was with the squad we had available, our season slumped at the end because of injuries.

Hopefully our season, when every one is back, will only suffer from this awful collection of injuries now, meaning we can kick on when all return.

Kept hold of Lenny, a plus.
Good peformances from youngsters, a plus
Signs of good performances, when played in their favoured position ( Kights being one ), a plus

 

[Jam_Man]

Contrary to some on here...Kights plays RW in most games,yes he can switch to the other flank if required but right footed players prefer playing where they can use their favoured foot without checking inside to get it on that favoured foot.

What hindsight exactly.....you sign old blokes then they have more chance of breaking down....you sign right footed players and then play them elsewhere that is foolish.Phil has had the entire close season to bring in bodies in case of injuries,he didn't and that ain't hindsight its damn foolish.

Preferring it is one thing, doesnt mean they cant play there.

Wasnt Mark Gower right footed and played on the left? Being able to cut in and shoot benefits a right footer so what you lose in natural crossing you gain elsewhere. Most wingers are able to switch wings and often do during games.

We have 6 centre halves on our books (4 senior pros) , three under the age of 25, is that not enough? Hindsight is calling it foolish when 4 of them pick up injuries, one of which is under 25.

You cant build a squad with the requirement of being able to deal with 4 centre halves being injured. Having two injury prone old players isnt great, but we still have Kiernan and White to cover them both, the fact we lost them two as well is just bad luck.

 

[mattytheshrimper]

Bit surprised some people are slatting McGlashan on here, especially when the likes of Timlin have about a 0.5% pass success!

 

[Firestorm]

I cant get any further than the post which said that Kevin O Callaghan in better than McGlash....
Sure he isnt the best we have had , but worse than Dead on arrival O callaghan ? Has he run over your cat or are you baseing it on escape to victory

 

[Beefy]

Contrary to some on here...Kights plays RW in most games,yes he can switch to the other flank if required but right footed players prefer playing where they can use their favoured foot without checking inside to get it on that favoured foot.

Again it depends on the player. Gower definitely said when he was here that he preferred playing on the left. Playing on the right helps a right-footed winger who wants to get to the byeline and deliver a cross but that was never Kightly's game (nor was it Gower's).

Neither of us know which flank he prefers to play on, or even if he cares.