Kacper Lopata

[Floval Flyer]

I’m sure if we owe Sheffield United any monies due to another Ron fock up I’m sure Ron will deal with it in his usual timely manner .

Maybe we could have a whip round for Sheffield Utd. Must be hard being 2nd in the Championship, with the prospect of a couple of hundred million and Prem football

They demands 40% and we are skint. Crikey!! Shows how warped football is

 

[amsemp]

Sorry if it’s been mentioned already, but does anyone know who decided there had been a breach of contract? I keep searching employment tribunals as they’re published (and fairly quickly too) but can’t find anything. Doubt it would be them though as it can take months, if not years, to get in front of an employment tribunal judge. Would it be the FA? If any hearing is published it will be very interesting indeed and we’ll know exactly what went on and I highly doubt it’ll show Ron in any sort of positive light.

 

[BoyWonder2]

Lomas will show why he was part of a strong back 3 at Brackley, as they don’t give away much last season. He will have more chance of playing at higher level that Lopata, that is an fact.

That’s not a fact, that is your opinon.

Personally, I feel that Lopata has the higher ceiling and the most potential, not that that is anything against Lomas. Lopata is highly regarded within the Polish FA, and therefore would have a better chance of playing on the International side at senior level.

 

[LeedsSUFC]

That’s not a fact, that is your opinon.

Personally, I feel that Lopata has the higher ceiling and the most potential, not that that is anything against Lomas. Lopata is highly regarded within the Polish FA, and therefore would have a better chance of playing on the International side at senior level.

If the Polish FA are looking to put a National League / now unemployed centre back in their senior squad, that shows the very poor state of the Polish International team rather than the ceiling of Lomas' talent.

 

[BoyWonder2]

If the Polish FA are looking to put a National League / now unemployed centre back in their senior, that shows the very poor state of the Polish International team rather than the ceiling of Lomas' talent.

I didn’t say they were looking to put him in their senior side now. But he is firmly on their radar. He has been captain at the Under 20 level.

Obviously, Poland has a smaller pool of players to pick from than England, and Lomas might be in the same boat as Lopata when it comes to international recognition if he was Polish.

However, if he was to play senior international football, he would be on the radar of a lot of Clubs, especially if he is still playing at a relative lower level when he does sign for a new Club.

As I said, I like the look of Lomas, I’m not stating that Lopata is Maldini and Lomas isn’t fit to lace his boots, I’m just saying that I think Lopata has a higher ceiling. I could be wrong, I could be proved right, but I can’t state either way that it’s a fact, like our Col Ewe friend @Murkey_Mouse

 

[West Stand]

There’s so many factors to this and they all lead to Ron Martin I’m afraid ,the level of under hand tactics that is going on a daily basis is frightening.

Imagine you are a fringe player who has gone out on loan and the club you are loaned to pays Southend the whole amount of your salary but even that isn’t being passed on to you , not one penny .

You then ask if the loan club can pay u direct so at least u get some money and the answer is NO .
This has been happening for over a period of months not weeks …….this club is a laughing stock amongst other clubs and I don’t blame any player for walking away …..the only thing keeping a number of these players here is Maher and Currie plus the promotion push

It would have broken FA rules if the club a player is loaned to paid the wages.

 

[Murkey_Mouse]

I didn’t say they were looking to put him in their senior side now. But he is firmly on their radar. He has been captain at the Under 20 level.

Obviously, Poland has a smaller pool of players to pick from than England, and Lomas might be in the same boat as Lopata when it comes to international recognition if he was Polish.

However, if he was to play senior international football, he would be on the radar of a lot of Clubs, especially if he is still playing at a relative lower level when he does sign for a new Club.

As I said, I like the look of Lomas, I’m not stating that Lopata is Maldini and Lomas isn’t fit to lace his boots, I’m just saying that I think Lopata has a higher ceiling. I could be wrong, I could be proved right, but I can’t state either way that it’s a fact, like our Col Ewe friend @Murkey_Mouse

Hope we be meeting our Col Ewes friends very soon in NL

 

[West Stand]

My understanding of the facts as set out was an allegation that loanees were not receiving their salaries even though the full amount has been paid to the loaning club by the parent club.

If someone's salary is being appropriated by a third party for their own or others use that is theft.

The appropriation without any explanation would normally be sufficient to establish the intention of permanently depriving the owner. Usually just spending such money as if it were one's own establishes such intent.

If a club receive money from the parent club of a loanee which is the salary of that player on the understanding that it will be passed on to that player and then 'swallow' it they would be obtaining by deception. The deception is that money is only being paid to the club the loanee is at in the belief it will be passed on to him. The money is the player's salary which the parent club is contractually obliged to pay and the club loaning the player have no claim whatsoever (at least none that I can see) on it.


What claim can the loaning club have on the money? If the player had not been loaned out the parent club would not have sent them any money.

Or am I missing something here?

Yes you are I am afraid

When a player goes out on loan the parent club carries on paying all wages. The club that has the player in on loan is invoiced the agreed sum for his services. That invoice includes VAT

 

[West Stand]

Sorry if it’s been mentioned already, but does anyone know who decided there had been a breach of contract? I keep searching employment tribunals as they’re published (and fairly quickly too) but can’t find anything. Doubt it would be them though as it can take months, if not years, to get in front of an employment tribunal judge. Would it be the FA? If any hearing is published it will be very interesting indeed and we’ll know exactly what went on and I highly doubt it’ll show Ron in any sort of positive light.

My guess would be is that the PFA were advising the player and almost certainly the NL and as a consequence the FA would have known the position regarding non payment of players wages.

I would be surprised if the matter had been the subject of any type of hearing and almost certainly the PFA and players agent will have followed a process advised by the league and the FA that will have included Southend receiving a formal notification re the players intent to apply sporting just cause

edit. Not sure of it’s accuracy but this is what the echo said re a hearing


That resulted in Lopata starting to seek a way out of the club and handing in his notice which led to a hearing taking place.

The panel at that sided with Lopata which enabled him to leave, although Blues insist they are still able to play a part in deciding the defender’s future”

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I thought joining Southend made him morally dubious

Thought he was supposed to be going out with a local lass?

 

[Yer Blues]

Hope we be meeting our Col Ewes friends very soon in NL

Lopata might be playing for them.

 

[united we stand]

My understanding of the facts as set out was an allegation that loanees were not receiving their salaries even though the full amount has been paid to the loaning club by the parent club.

If someone's salary is being appropriated by a third party for their own or others use that is theft.

The appropriation without any explanation would normally be sufficient to establish the intention of permanently depriving the owner. Usually just spending such money as if it were one's own establishes such intent.

If a club receive money from the parent club of a loanee which is the salary of that player on the understanding that it will be passed on to that player and then 'swallow' it they would be obtaining by deception. The deception is that money is only being paid to the club the loanee is at in the belief it will be passed on to him. The money is the player's salary which the parent club is contractually obliged to pay and the club loaning the player have no claim whatsoever (at least none that I can see) on it.

What claim can the loaning club have on the money? If the player had not been loaned out the parent club would not have sent them any money.

Or am I missing something here?

I think you are missing something

We are still the employer, we pay the wages.

Who employs the player ?
Who (should) pay the national insurance?
Who (should) pay income tax to HMRC
Who (should) pay pension contributions?

The club we are loaning a player to is paying a fee, they are not paying his wages.
People just use the phrase as it’s quicker than saying ‘ a fee which is the same amount as wages”

 

[Holy Joe]

My guess would be is that the PFA were advising the player and almost certainly the NL and as a consequence the FA would have known the position regarding non payment of players wages.

I would be surprised if the matter had been the subject of any type of hearing and almost certainly the PFA and players agent will have followed a process advised by the league and the FA that will have included Southend receiving a formal notification re the players intent to apply sporting just cause

edit. Not sure of it’s accuracy but this is what the echo said re a hearing


That resulted in Lopata starting to seek a way out of the club and handing in his notice which led to a hearing taking place.

The panel at that sided with Lopata which enabled him to leave, although Blues insist they are still able to play a part in deciding the defender’s future”

Wouldn't be sporting just cause would it? I thought that's where for example a player doesn't play because been frozen out by the manager - e.g., sporting reasons not financial/contractual?

 

[West Stand]

Wouldn't be sporting just cause would it? I thought that's where for example a player doesn't play because been frozen out by the manager - e.g., sporting reasons not financial/contractual?

Yes a player can apply the sporting just cause argument if they don’t feature in 10% of a clubs games during a season ( when fit) but you can’t use that reason for unilaterally walking out mid season and even at seasons end it rarely ever applied to player in their twenties

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Is there any possibility that we will owe Sheff Utd as he has been able to terminated his contract. I assume that they will have had a clause in his transfer to us enabling them to take a percentage of any sell on fee. As we have broken his contract and he has been able to walk they will presumably not get anything, so will we have to compensate Sheff Utd?

This seems highly implausible.

I would go as far to say that Sheff Utd would be more likely to lend assistance with challenging Lopata’s next employer for a transfer compensation than then would be to successfully pursue us for breaching his contract.

 

[Maxgoyard]

This seems highly implausible.

I would go as far to say that Sheff Utd would be more likely to lend assistance with challenging Lopata’s next employer for a transfer compensation than then would be to successfully pursue us for breaching his contract.

How will they challenge his next club when there has been no transfer made, Lopatas a free agent.

Not only has he ****ed Southend over but also Sheffield

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

How will they challenge his next club when there has been no transfer made, Lopatas a free agent.

Not only has he ****ed Southend over but also Sheffield

First sentence, yet

Second sentence, yeah but we ****ed him over first.

 

[kentblues]

How will they challenge his next club when there has been no transfer made, Lopatas a free agent.

Not only has he ****ed Southend over but also Sheffield

He’s under 24 so the suggestion is compensation would be due..

 

[Colchester and proud!]

Hope we be meeting our Col Ewes friends very soon in NL

Sorry I don’t think you will, we are slowly pulling away from the bottom 2/3 the new manager, assistant manager, goalkeeper coach and 1st team analyst are all in place now so it should settle down from the loss of the previous staff soon.

 

[LeedsSUFC]

Isn't it interesting that two loanees with loved last season have such a similar history/troubled young careers... (I know Lopata is Ron's fault, but why did he force his way out of Sheff in the first place...)

See Derby FC vs the Brunts.

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