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India v England ODIs

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Yorkshire Blue

Yorkshire Blue

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C'mon England.

KP has won the toss and we will field.

It's a much changed Indian team from the one who beat Australia. No Tendulkar, Ganguly, Laxman, Sharma or Kumble.

Triple good news for England in that Broad is fit, Ravi plays and there is no Swann.
 
You just beat me to it!

Will need to vastly improve on that performance against the Mumbai XI the other day.

I am going for a India win but only just . Reckon India will muster a score of around 200.
 
Think I was a bit optimistic on England's part that they would keep the score down to around 200! India could reach that by the 20th over at this rate!
 
Awesome batting display from India. This wasn't England playing badly so much as India putting on a one-day batting masterclass: good running between the wickets, playing themselves in before going for their shots, attacking the first ball of the over to get ahead, building partnerships, rotating the strike.

It is a lightening fast outfield and although the chances are that any team chasing such a total will find the required rate too much and lose wickets at regularly intervals and be bowled out woefully short, it isn't inconceivable that England could have a go at it. It could suit Ian Bell in particular if he can find the gaps and doesn't get bogged down. England will probably be bowled out for under 250 or make 350+
 
Pubey said:
Time for Ravi to show his stuff 147-6
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KP run out......hope Ravi wasnt at fault!!

This is shocking....cant imagine we would have suffered too many larger run defeats than this?! (unless Broad can get us to respectability!).
 
number11 said:
KP run out......hope Ravi wasnt at fault!!

This is shocking....cant imagine we would have suffered too many larger run defeats than this?! (unless Broad can get us to respectability!).
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never ever expected us to challenge in this game... but it's still a complete thrashing and I only saw a little bit of it this morning and we looked out of touch. i think it's good having the ODIs before the Tests though and it could help us
 
number11 said:
KP run out......hope Ravi wasnt at fault!!
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What, you mean you hope Ravi didn't call KP for a quick single which was never on in international cricket* and run him out by about 2 yards?

Oops.

*You can get away with those in county cricket because the level of fielding is pretty poor.

The General said:
Woeful....
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To be fair this wasn't as bad as the Stanford debacle. This was more a case of India playing really well than England playing really poorly.

The margin of defeat is always magnified in cases like this.

I really hope England don't panic and make wholesale changes. The team they had out there was pretty much their best team. I can see them panicking and picking the extra spinner because it is India, despite seam outperforming spin again.
 
Ah well, at least Ravi got some good runs to kinda make amends! Must be pretty demoralising for him coming in at 8, but at least he has gone above Luckey Wright.

Thing is Samit Patel is okish as a containing spinner, but dont you think we need more of a specialist bowling to the Indian batsmen who are comfortable with spin and improve and move easily to deal with what Patel can send down? Im happy with Patel being in there as an allrounder but would quite like to see a better spinner.....maybe not Swann....but Panesar perhaps?
 
number11 said:
Ah well, at least Ravi got some good runs to kinda make amends! Must be pretty demoralising for him coming in at 8, but at least he has gone above Luckey Wright.

Thing is Samit Patel is okish as a containing spinner, but dont you think we need more of a specialist bowling to the Indian batsmen who are comfortable with spin and improve and move easily to deal with what Patel can send down? Im happy with Patel being in there as an allrounder but would quite like to see a better spinner.....maybe not Swann....but Panesar perhaps?
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I'd love to see a better spinner, but we just don't have one who can do any more than contain. And if they are just going to contain, we might as well have one who can hold their place as a batsman (and is a competent fielder).

Until the 5th bowler is someone who the captain would be happy to toss the ball if you had to attack to take a wicket, I think there is more value in the part-time bowler who can hold their own as a batsman.

I'm not even sure of Monty's effectiveness on the Asian sub-continent against competent players of spin in test cricket, let alone one-day cricket where he seems to lack the necessary variety. If it was a raging bunsen I'd probably pick him, but otherwise he's a liability in the field and he may not even bowl his full quota of overs.
 
Yuvraj makes it consecutive 100's, India rally from 26/3 to 209/5 with the past part of 10 overs left. Looks like England could be chasing down 300+ again.
 
India scored about 50 runs too many. That was a much tougher pitch to bat on than the first game but only Broad had the right line and length for it. It was a sloppy display with far too many extras and balls down the leg-side and until two good run-outs from direct hits late on, the fielding was just sloppy with barely a return over the stumps.

The most depressing bit was the way England let the game drift. The reason I was excited about KP captaining England is because I thought he'd be adventurous but England, or rather Broad got them 3 down on a pitch with variable bounce and England bought on Collingwood and Patel and put everyone on the boundary. Collingwood, Patel and Pietersen bowled 18 overs between them (they only needed to bowl 10), but what really annoyed me was the way they let Yuvraj and Gambhir play themselves in and collect the easy singles. Collingwood and probably Patel can be effective one-day bowlers, but make the opposition take risks and have to hit over the top, rather than playing tip and run.
 
Solid start to the reply but I can see this run rate running away from us pretty quickly.
 
Rather than get extra spinners in, I'd much rather more of our batsmen facing spin didn't look like Gunnar Olsson when Cruyff slipped past.
 
145-3 (33rd over) 8.7 required RR

need a couple of mammoth overs, but with wickets in hand i can see this being close
 
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