I Love My Team

[colonelnutter]

Wiggly, it was boring before and it is now. Crawl back u der your stone.

Agh that's nice !

However back in the real world we were dog poo,could be playing at midnight and still not score.

Brown is boring tactically and we got what we deserved...nothing.

 

[rlb999]

I'm reassured that the original post now has umpteen likes. All is not lost.

 

[Sleaford Shrimper]

If I'm being as objective as I'd like to be, I think that it would be a good thing for us to end the season having consolidated our place in this division, rather than getting promotion to the Championship. Going back to posts on this site before the season started, the predominating view was that, given what we could afford in terms of our playing squad and in terms of our limited financial revenue, we would do well to finish in mid-table. Sure, it would be a great feeling to get into the play-offs and win at Wembley for the second year running but, if we did achieve that, I would be worried about our mid-term future.

You don't have to have been a Southend supporter for as many as the 50 years that I have clocked up to recall, firstly, that the quality of player that is required to compete and keep a football club in the Championship is much higher than (with due respect to our current squad) we have for the most part at present and, secondly, that the consequences of a swift relegation from the Championship can be disastrous and difficult for a club of our size to recover from. Realistically, even if he was persuaded that it was the right thing to do, I don't see our current chairman being willing or able to pay the transfer fees or wages that genuine, established Championship-class players would require. It would be far better, in my opinion, for us to spend money sensibly now on bringing in less expensive younger players with the potential to compete at Championship level and mould them into a squad that can gain promotion from League One and survive in the Championship with the addition of just a few more established players. If you think back to the David Webb squad that took us up to the second tier of English football, it was well populated with young players on on their way up in their careers. With some well-chosen additions, we more than held our own for a while. Failure to reinvest the income from the sales of the likes of Austin, Powell, Angell, Prior, Collymore, etc wisely and some poor management appointments saw us plumb the depths of the footballing wilderness until Tilly built a new squad that wasn't good enough when it got to the Championship and down we came into the awful wilderness from which we only managed to escape at the end of last season.

 

[mattitouk]

At the end of the day,... call it "Shrimperzone" or "Shrimpermoan" we all represent "Southend United" ..... Not "Southend Divided"....

More positive comments please,... We should all be backing our team, day in and day out.

 

[HudsonNo1]

Try Barnsley who have surged up the able in the last couple of months, and who now sit in a play off position.
Ironically we are playing them next week!.

thatll be 3 points then... That's how it works with us isn't it... Beat those who we shouldn't and lose to those we should.

 

[mrsblue]

Wiggly, it was boring before and it is now. Crawl back u der your stone.

Yet again the mods fail to act with abusive rants.

 

[McNasty]

Yet again the mods fail to act with abusive rants.

Which bit don't you like ?

 

[mrsblue]

Which bit don't you like ?

Danny pav stated start your own thread,which I did,he then come onto that thread being abusive,then it was locked!

We are all Southend fans ,but see it differently from time to time,I'm happy debating the game whether I'm right or wrong,but rarely if ever stoop to abuse first.

Just want a level playing field for everyone.

 

[Ricey]

Danny pav stated start your own thread,which I did,he then come onto that thread being abusive,then it was locked!

We are all Southend fans ,but see it differently from time to time,I'm happy debating the game whether I'm right or wrong,but rarely if ever stoop to abuse first.

Just want a level playing field for everyone.

Your thread was closed because it's blatant fishing/trolling whatever you want to call it. You also put in the title that you can discuss the match, well we already have a thread about that. If you wish to discuss the match in any way shape or form we have a thread already open so you can moan till your hearts content. As for the abuse like stated by manor previously we are volunteers we do this for free in our spare time. We try and monitor the site 24/7 but sometimes we miss things, if you find a post aimed at you is abusive then use the report button. We are then alerted to this fact and it will take us straight to that post and we can act quicker.

Now just drop it please.

 

[colonelnutter]

Just to put into context my comments to mrsblue, I don't think the one above is abusive as it reflects my view that this person may be the same attention seeking troll as Wiggly. I rarely post but get sick of the negative drivel this person constantly posts to try to stir things up and fit circumstances to his/her/its agenda. My comment on a previous thread may have been "robust" and was worthy of deletion according to a moderator. Their privilege. But give previous posts by this individual I suggest he/she/it either "grows a pair" if such obviously attention seeking posts are published or perhaps reflects on the fact that many on here have voiced their views on the drivel posted including moderate and infrequent posters like me.
UTB.

 

[Bay Shrimper]

I am a Southerner stuck up in the frozen North West and so have to rely on away games int North, match reports and the good people of shrimper one for my Blues fix. I suffered the Bradford performance and have read loads about the system Brown picks etc etc. My view is much simpler. It seems to me that we need 2 more midfielders who are capable of bossing and running the middle of the park. If we had 2 hard working technically gifted players who could create space by taking people on and also working back then we just might have better balance. Deegan works hard but has no talent yet, Timlin I rate highly but is not doing it at the moment, Atkinson runs his socks off but again isn't creative. I believe we have the strikers and defence but both parties need a creative midfield to buy them time. With more time comes more, and better, chances to score.
Either way I live and bleed the Blues and will until I die.

 

[rayleigh dan]

If I'm being as objective as I'd like to be, I think that it would be a good thing for us to end the season having consolidated our place in this division, rather than getting promotion to the Championship. Going back to posts on this site before the season started, the predominating view was that, given what we could afford in terms of our playing squad and in terms of our limited financial revenue, we would do well to finish in mid-table. Sure, it would be a great feeling to get into the play-offs and win at Wembley for the second year running but, if we did achieve that, I would be worried about our mid-term future.

You don't have to have been a Southend supporter for as many as the 50 years that I have clocked up to recall, firstly, that the quality of player that is required to compete and keep a football club in the Championship is much higher than (with due respect to our current squad) we have for the most part at present and, secondly, that the consequences of a swift relegation from the Championship can be disastrous and difficult for a club of our size to recover from. Realistically, even if he was persuaded that it was the right thing to do, I don't see our current chairman being willing or able to pay the transfer fees or wages that genuine, established Championship-class players would require. It would be far better, in my opinion, for us to spend money sensibly now on bringing in less expensive younger players with the potential to compete at Championship level and mould them into a squad that can gain promotion from League One and survive in the Championship with the addition of just a few more established players. If you think back to the David Webb squad that took us up to the second tier of English football, it was well populated with young players on on their way up in their careers. With some well-chosen additions, we more than held our own for a while. Failure to reinvest the income from the sales of the likes of Austin, Powell, Angell, Prior, Collymore, etc wisely and some poor management appointments saw us plumb the depths of the footballing wilderness until Tilly built a new squad that wasn't good enough when it got to the Championship and down we came into the awful wilderness from which we only managed to escape at the end of last season.

I just don't understand this viewpoint, what's to say next season we won't be struggling like Fleetwood and Chesterfield who 'consolidated' last year.

Surely it's better to go up, have a good go and if you come straight back down, so be it. Let's be honest with our budget were never going to be able to truly compete in the Championship, but I'd love another crack at it, the sooner the better!

 

[WickfordShrimper]

Well Lets all come down we could be in Colchester's position :smile:

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

Im looking forward to Brown doing the off to Bolton and getting a manager in that has a fresh, attacking view to football

Interesting point of view to say the least. To want someone who has been so far a success to the club out in my opinion is conclusive that you are a supporter of your own opinion. Sadly definitely not of Southend United.

 

[Sleaford Shrimper]

I just don't understand this viewpoint, what's to say next season we won't be struggling like Fleetwood and Chesterfield who 'consolidated' last year.

Surely it's better to go up, have a good go and if you come straight back down, so be it. Let's be honest with our budget were never going to be able to truly compete in the Championship, but I'd love another crack at it, the sooner the better!

I understand and sympathise with your sentiment.

I'm sure that supporters of Fleetwood and Chesterfield will correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that they improved their playing staff effectively after last season in the way that I am suggesting. Chesterfield sold their best player, Sam Clucas, to Hull City, for example, and didn't get anyone comparable to replace him.

You make the point that we are never going to be able to truly compete in the Championship. That is certainly the case with our current squad of players. Yet we did compete effectively at that level in the 1990s with a squad of largely young and talented players that David Webb managed and developed from the old Division 4. I was there on that wonderful New Year's Day when we thrashed Newcastle United 4-0 at Roots Hall to go top of the old Division 2 (= Championship) and only the lack of ambition and guts on the part of chairman Vic Jobson prevented Webby from further developing the squad to consolidate our position in that division and make an effective challenge for a place in the Premier League.

I reiterate my fears about coming straight back down. Both times when we were relegated from the 'Championship' division we tumbled straight down to the bottom division with dwindling crowds and no money to pay players on Championship wage contracts, resulting in probably some of the worst playing squads that I have ever seen at the club in 50 years or, as was the case last time, virtually no players on contract two or three weeks before the start of the next season.

I'd love to be wrong about this. I'd love us to be promoted to the Championship in May this year and compete successfully against the likes of Aston Villa, Newcastle, Sunderland, Norwich or whoever it is that get relegated from the Premiership but, as I said at the start of my original posting, I am trying to be objective and, being objective, I see more potential problems than dreams coming true if we get promoted this year.

 

[OldBlueLady]

I really despair of these people who don't seem to understand that Brown delivered the best day of our lives last season in gaining promotion, and that we are sitting safe and secure in L1 and doing so much better than many would (and did) have predicted at the start of the season.

So much of the negativity and trolling is also spilling into Chris Phillips' FB Southend United group, the #BrownOut people can (to coin a phrase that is being used a lot on here at the moment) "do one", as far as I'm concerned.

Yes, we're missing Lenny and a properly functioning Timlin massively, as I said after Tuesday night, Deegan, Atkinson and Wordsworth do NOT work together. He changed things a bit yesterday and brought Worrall back in, that was a positive step to counteract the accusations of being negatively set up.

We desperately need creativity, once we have that, then I am sure the goals will follow. UTB.

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

For me, Southend are at their best when Lenny and Timlin are at their best in the same team. One is injured and one is in the worst form since he's been here. When playing well, these two are capable of making any average side look good. Lenny will be back in a few weeks, and Timlin is so focused and such a trier and a winner at the club, that he will be doing everything to get his form back and make the starting eleven all the time.
I think Hunt and Mooney have been found out now, and we really need a better striking partner for Barnett. Also, playing with more width definitely suits Southend much better. The lump it up to the one or two up front is boring, frustrating, and is not working.

 

[mrsblue]

I really despair of these people who don't seem to understand that Brown delivered the best day of our lives last season in gaining promotion, and that we are sitting safe and secure in L1 and doing so much better than many would (and did) have predicted at the start of the season.

So much of the negativity and trolling is also spilling into Chris Phillips' FB Southend United group, the #BrownOut people can (to coin a phrase that is being used a lot on here at the moment) "do one", as far as I'm concerned.

Yes, we're missing Lenny and a properly functioning Timlin massively, as I said after Tuesday night, Deegan, Atkinson and Wordsworth do NOT work together. He changed things a bit yesterday and brought Worrall back in, that was a positive step to counteract the accusations of being negatively set up.

We desperately need creativity, once we have that, then I am sure the goals will follow. UTB.

We have IMO one of the most exciting players in the division Jack Payne,he should be one of the first on the team sheet every game if fit,he scores goals,makes goals,is our most forward thinking player YET he is constantly benched or dropped,that is simply poor management IMO .

 

[OldBlueLady]

We have IMO one of the most exciting players in the division Jack Payne,he should be one of the first on the team sheet every game if fit,he scores goals,makes goals,is our most forward thinking player YET he is constantly benched or dropped,that is simply poor management IMO .

I have to disagree. There have been games this season where the physicality or the dominance of opposition defences just haven't suited Jack, and he's looked lightweight and out of his depth. It's about scouting teams effectively to realise which teams Jack will do well against and to use him to his best ability. He was the stand out player yesterday, especially once Worrall had gone off, and we should have been able to capitalise on that....but didn't.

 

[mrsblue]

I have to disagree. There have been games this season where the physicality or the dominance of opposition defences just haven't suited Jack, and he's looked lightweight and out of his depth. It's about scouting teams effectively to realise which teams Jack will do well against and to use him to his best ability. He was the stand out player yesterday, especially once Worrall had gone off, and we should have been able to capitalise on that....but didn't.

Phil recently played 352 which suited JP,he had protection and was able to dictate the play,Phil's problem in my book is he constantly worries about the opposition,he wants to nullify them into submission without threatening their goal which of course in not in Jack's style of play.Yesterday we were once again far too slow,it's as though Phil has ordered them to retain the ball in order to bore the opponents into throwing in the towel.

I still think we have a pretty good team when we press and play with passes being pinged around,yesterday was yet another bad day at the office,sadly.