How would you describe PS's style of play

[OldBlueLady]

Ahhh, leave him be, he's a happy bunny at the moment, he's just become a grandad at the eternally tender age of 29! :winking:

 

[blue79]

Clinton also if we are able to keep Hall. Sure he won't sign another new deal and only has a year left. I also think our Back line requires an injection of pace. Certainly amongst the central defence.

 

[Its Only A Game]

After my previous post was deleted, apologies for the "personal abuse"..........I still fail to understand why some posters seem to want to keep harking on about hoofball and sturrock when 82% of posters said they were either "very or reasonably" happy with the performance of Mr Sturrock.

I doubt many managers ever rank much higher than that. Surely it doesn't matter what you call the type of football, if the punters are reasonably happy.

 

[blue79]

Punters take it game by game. They're a fickle breed. If the team loses the first League game of next season they'll be cries of something should have been sooner in relation Sturrock's departure. I'll go further if one or two pre-season friendly results don't go right again they'll be saying maybe he should have departed as it appears the same old things will be creeping into play all over again.

 

[Jai]

Sturrock gives a good interview in today's Echo. He says his sides do not play "hoofball" as that suggests aimless punting, but they do try and get the ball into certain areas. Which I think nobody on here would refute. He also admitted that some of the home games were not great to watch and he wants to try and change that.

 

[blue79]

It is a good interview. As much as Sturrock still just about gets my vote I do doubt if he can succeed in changing what he says he wants to change. I don't think he's modern enough to try a completely new way but I feel he merits a bit more time next season. See how things go after 10 games or so.

 

[Hawkwell Blue]

Oh my god Mcnasty, blind optimism? See this is the problem. The style of play would have been the same whether we were promoted or not. Just because we weren't promoted doesn't mean that it's right to start slagging everything off. It's completely ONE EYED.

Two words "Nail" and "Head". Well said.

 

[Reg Martin]

I voted for 'we play a bit of both' and that's based on the matches I attended of which 80% were away games
Maybe the home games were a lot worse but then again some people just like moaning - I spent my first two years on the zone defending Steve Tilson against all the people moaning about him.
I think the second half of the season has raised questions about Paul Sturrock though not necessarily about his preferred style of play. It was the constant chopping and changing of personnel and the signing of a number of players who were nowhere near fit that concerned me more.

 

[McNasty]

Oh my god Mcnasty, blind optimism? See this is the problem. The style of play would have been the same whether we were promoted or not. Just because we weren't promoted doesn't mean that it's right to start slagging everything off. It's completely ONE EYED.

But you were the most rose-tinted of all the people on the Zone. I am more of a realist, usually advocating a "wait and see" attitude. This time you were wrong with your predictions and statements that we were going up. Next time you may be right.

I would have swallowed a "hoofball/direct" style of play if we had achieved promotion but as it didn't work I feel that it was a failure. That does not make me negative, just someone who thinks that blatant , blind optimism leaves someone open to comment.

 

[blue pilot]

Agree with McNasty's comment that our style ultimately didnt work. I feel too many teams worked us out and we didnt have a Plan B.
Incidentally, Swindon + Crewe both play it on the floor and have done better than us.

 

[Onion_Bag_Dave]

Agree with McNasty's comment that our style ultimately didnt work. I feel too many teams worked us out and we didnt have a Plan B.
Incidentally, Swindon + Crewe both play it on the floor and have done better than us.

This is wrong. Our attacking play was not sussed out. If we defended properly against Accrington at home and/or Plymouth away we would have been a league 1 side. Fine margins.

 

[Onion_Bag_Dave]

But you were the most rose-tinted of all the people on the Zone. I am more of a realist, usually advocating a "wait and see" attitude. This time you were wrong with your predictions and statements that we were going up. Next time you may be right.

I would have swallowed a "hoofball/direct" style of play if we had achieved promotion but as it didn't work I feel that it was a failure. That does not make me negative, just someone who thinks that blatant , blind optimism leaves someone open to comment.

Predictions count for nothing.

This hoofball bollocks is madness. Hoofball is when a completely basic non technical team SMASH the ball aimlessly every single time when in possession. We don't do that. How you and others cannot understand this is completely beyond me.

The thing is McNasty you do not know me, you do not know all of my opinions. Sometimes perspective is necessary. People lose it, and I try and weigh up their BLIND PESSIMISM with my more positive views on the situation. If you would like me to provide my entire view on this season I will do it.

By naming me 'Rose Tinted' what you are effectively saying is that you are of a much more superior standard of person to me and that you have the ability to see the bigger picture, suggesting that I don't. Which is nonsense.

I turn up to each game positively. I leave each game positively. That's how I deal with things.

 

[fbm]

Interesting that ours and West Hams seasons were almost running in parallel. Top of the table for a while, excellent away records, poor home records, both managers playing a direct style, both had blips at roughly the same time... they won their play off and we didn't - that's the big difference.

Aside from all of that, I have loads of mates who are West Ham seasos and have been taken along to a couple of games this season as their guest. West Ham drew one with Leeds and lost the other to Ipswich. The football was rubbish and like us, the Hammers only got where they were because of their away form.

But is everything ok because they went up?

Well, no, actually. For years, West Ham were known as the Academy of Football and used to play an entertaining, passing game that won them the League and FA Cup a couple of times. Occasionally they would have a good season and finish in the top hhalf and sometimes the top 6 but NEVER have won the league or even looked like it. More often than not they have flirted with relegation and have been one of the up-and-down sides since the Prem was started.

Very few of my mates were happy when Allardyce took over and at least one is actually seriously considering NOT renewing, simply because the football isn't entertaining.

Yet Big Sam has NEVER taken a team down from the Premiership. Ask Blackburn fans if they would want him back. There are loads of teams who would want him just so that they can stay in the top flight.

I guess with us, it depends what we go along for. For me, there is no expectation for us to do anything, only hope, and for the most part I am just thankful we have a team to support. Those who purely go to be entertained may well have an issue with the style.

But I'd still rather have this than watch incredibly entertaining football that didn't yield results. I remember the 1975/6 season when we played some of the most entertaining football ever and had Peter Silvester up front who scored 23 goals. We still got relegated though.

 

[shrimpfan]

Predictions count for nothing.

This hoofball bollocks is madness. Hoofball is when a completely basic non technical team SMASH the ball aimlessly every single time when in possession. We don't do that. How you and others cannot understand this is completely beyond me.

The thing is McNasty you do not know me, you do not know all of my opinions. Sometimes perspective is necessary. People lose it, and I try and weigh up their BLIND PESSIMISM with my more positive views on the situation. If you would like me to provide my entire view on this season I will do it.

By naming me 'Rose Tinted' what you are effectively saying is that you are of a much more superior standard of person to me and that you have the ability to see the bigger picture, suggesting that I don't. Which is nonsense.

I turn up to each game positively. I leave each game positively. That's how I deal with things.

you still on the liqufruta?

 

[Onion_Bag_Dave]

you still on the liqufruta?

Garlic_Bag_Dave.

Haha!

 

[tangerine dream]

Am i missing something?The whole idea of a game of football is to win.
Otherwise, do away with the goalposts. It seems that to some supporters
whatever we do,it will never be enough. This is the fourth tier of professional
football. Most of the players are limited in what they can do. Why ask them to
take chances in their own half. I'm not convinced that Paul Sturrock ever knew
his best team and tinkered far too much.

 

[Jam_Man]

But you were the most rose-tinted of all the people on the Zone. I am more of a realist, usually advocating a "wait and see" attitude. This time you were wrong with your predictions and statements that we were going up. Next time you may be right.

I would have swallowed a "hoofball/direct" style of play if we had achieved promotion but as it didn't work I feel that it was a failure. That does not make me negative, just someone who thinks that blatant , blind optimism leaves someone open to comment.

Indeed, I was tolerating the style as it was working but ultimately didnt get us up. Now it may well get us the same 83 points next year and we do go up, but personally dont want to sit through games like that all season.

I wont criticise the style we played as it did almost get us up but I want a change now.

For me we have showed in teh closing stages of the season we can play decent football and that 442 worked. 451 got us some decent results away, but should not be used at home. When 451 works we can get a result, when it doesnt work we look terrible which happened far too often.

Using "Would you rather we played nice football and finiished midtable" isnt much of a defence. Its not one or the other. We have shown we can play and we will hopefully improve the squad this summer.

PS seems to indicate a change of style at home next season, so Im hopeful we will see improvement there.

 

[Jam_Man]

Am i missing something?The whole idea of a game of football is to win.
Otherwise, do away with the goalposts. It seems that to some supporters
whatever we do,it will never be enough. This is the fourth tier of professional
football. Most of the players are limited in what they can do. Why ask them to
take chances in their own half. I'm not convinced that Paul Sturrock ever knew
his best team and tinkered far too much.

Again, why does it have to be one or the other ? Why cant we strive to win football managers whilst playing more entertaining football ? We can do it, as did other teams in the league.

 

[t meister]

I think if we keep the majority of players next season we should go up, maybe even win the league, it all seemed to go down hill once liam got injured but there is 11 players in a team and not 1.

 

[Jam_Man]

This is wrong. Our attacking play was not sussed out. If we defended properly against Accrington at home and/or Plymouth away we would have been a league 1 side. Fine margins.

There were plenty of times our "attacking play" was completely ineffective and we barely had a shot on goal all game. If thats not being sussed out I dont know what is.

When you play 1 upfront and use "direct attacking passes" that can be easily dealt with then you do need to create chances in other ways. This was demonstrated against Crewe when with one up front Crewe dealt with everything easily until we changed to 442. Having a plan B on that occassion almost got us the draw.

You say you like to add perspective in your post to McNasty, but your views are so polar to negative views they dont actually give perspective as all.and are just as unbalanced as some of the negative posts.