I'll now patiently wait for GBJ to wade in and contradict me
Only just seen this thread, but you're spot on mate :) I think you speak a lot of sense and generally agree with you in most boxing topics. However, you know I've got to disagree with the Tyson bit :thumbsup:
Manny Pacquiao is in his decline, where Mayweather is still improving with age. His performance against Canelo was one of, if not his best to date. Mayweather would comfortably outpoint Pacquiao. Not that their respective promoters would ever manage to get an agreeable (to both parties) contract on the table. Sadly, it's a fight that will never happen.
Totally 100% agree
Incidentally, and it really grates me to have to say it, as I despise the man; but Amir Khan is probably the best fight for Mayweather, in terms of a challenge anyway. Mayweather has already stated he wants to fight in the UK, so Khan despite his recent form, is the biggest name he could fight here.
Mayweather will NEVER fight in England. It's all a cunning ruse to keep the "casuals" slightly interested. Do you think Vegas would let him? Do you think HBO would let him? Him fighting over here wouldn't generate half of what would he'd get in Vegas. I'd like to see it, but there no chance whatsoever (IMO of course)
As demonstrated by Alvarez, power is not enough to trouble Mayweather, he knew this, and tried to mix troubling Mayweather with the occassional flurry of punching, with boxing on the back foot (mayweathers speciality), and simply didn't have the hand speed, or defence to trouble Mayweather. However, the one attribute Khan does have is speed, and this is probably the best form of attack when facing Mayweather. Khan's ability to get in, release a combination of punches and get out quickly has the potential to trouble Mayweather, where stronger, and arguably more talented boxers than Khan would struggle. Of course, there is the major flaw in his chin, and his arrogance in his belief he has the ability to stand and trade (cruelly exposed by Danny Garcia). Sadly, as it really does pain me to say it, Khan probably has a better chance than most against The Money, providing of course, he gets past the only fighter more annoying than Khan in the Welterweight division, Devon Alexander in December.
Power has never been enough. Didn't work for Gatti, ODLH, Hatton, Cotto, Ortiz, JMM. Floyd's just too good.
Khan gets stopped. No doubt. He has absolutely zero discipline. First, His speed will count for nothing against an opponent he won't be able to hit. Second, he doesn't have KO power at light welterweight, never mind Welterweight (which he's never even fought at before) those 2 things, tied in with a proven record of ditching a disciplined gameplay, against an incredibly slick, fast counter puncher like Floyd, then there's only one outcome.
There's only one man around who could possibly trouble Mayweather at this current time, and that's GGG. Of course the weight issue could be a stumbling block, but if they could negotiate it for Canelo, why not for Golovkin? THAT is the next super fight. Whether it happens or not, is another matter.
Now the important bit.
Wes, Wes Wes. :facepalm:
Going back to Fury Haye, it genuinely surprises me that people believe Fury will 'smash' Haye. Sure he has a punchers chance, it's the heavyweight division after all - although, having watched Fury's career progress, he's never really been a big hitter, odd for someone of his size.
Fury has a KO percentage of 71%. That's not a bad return at all.
Fury has no fighter's of note on his CV, he laboured past Chisora, got up from the canvas against Cunningham, and has a CV full of fighters in the twilight of their careers, Martin Rogan, a Prizefighter loser (against Fraudly Harrison) an example; all cherrypicked to boost his win-and-0 record.
Fury has no worse a record than Haye at HW. Haye's been in with ONE decent HW.. Wlad. The rest are Monte Barrett, a 39-year-old John Ruiz, Fraudley Harrison, Chisora (who'd lost 3 on the bounce at that point) & Valuev (who despite being a Champion, is simply a freak sideshow act)
He got up off the floor against Cunningham & went on to spark him clean out & remain undefeated. Unlike Haye who's been defeated twice. That "undefeated confidence" is worth so much in boxing.
Haye, has fought the best at Cruiserweight and Heavyweight, travelling away from his home comforts to do so. He has blistering speed for this level, and is a feared banger in the division.
Cruiserweight I agree. But as the list above says, his HW resume is rather naff, and hid reign as HW champ, has to go down in one of the worst in HW history. Also, Fury has fought in England, N Ireland. Canada & America. Hayes speed & explosiveness are very very good, I agree, but it's a shame he never got to test those out when it mattered. Having those tools against the likes of Fraudley is one thing. But he couldn't even begin to use them against Wlad. It's the equivalent of me playing a 1-on-1 game of football with a 3 year old, and claiming I'm incredible when I win. But up against pro's, I get battered. Then I blame my bad toe:hilarious:
Fury, knows he is likely to lose his, 0, which is why he stalled on the fight initially, but the realisation that Haye is the biggest payday in the heavyweight division at present, and being young enough to rebuild his career after a bank boosting loss, decided it was worth the risk. It's also why he has, after his initial and rather predictable public childish strop, again backtracked and said they want the fight still. It will still happen, there's too much money for it not too, and Haye will win, and it will be by KO
This part I tend to agree with. Slightly.
Tyson would have won though IMO :thumbsup:
