Grunge

[Ron Manager]

Following on from the 'New Romantic' thread and moving on a decade, did the grunge scene do anything for you?

Personally I think Nirvana were one of the best bands ever - truly inspirational and a shot in the arm for the music industry when it was desperately needed. Sadly they led the way for a whole lot of other at best average but mostly appalling miserable plaid shirt wearing chancers.

 

[Napster]

Grunge was good as an antidote to those twee indie bands you're so fond of.

But personally, i can't stand grunge. I was always into hip-hop at that age.

 

[Custard Splat]

I was too busy shoegazing to notice any of that nasty rock music

 

[Leeboy]

I was more into the twee indie bands ( like Ron Manager ) but did not mind a bit of Nirvana, who were quite indie in their own way anyway.

Never really liked Pearl Jam, and Soundgarden only had one decent song before they disappeared

 

[Ron Manager]

Quote[/b] (Napster @ Dec. 17 2004,15:45)]Grunge was good as an antidote to those twee indie bands you're so fond of.

But personally, i can't stand grunge. I was always into hip-hop at that age.

I've told you before, I'm not happy with your blatant prejudice against twee indie bands and their fans. This bigotry has no place on this messageboard, I shall organise a benefit festival to raise awareness and fight back against the evil of indie-ism!

I am contacting the former members of Sleeper and Menswear to see if they will reform for the occasion and we will be printing 'BritPop against indie-ism' t-shirts to sell alongside old school adidas tracksuit tops and rare Belle and Sebastian posters. All to fight against your evil ways!

 

[Napster]

Quote[/b] (Ron Manager @ Dec. 17 2004,15:56)]

Quote[/b] (Napster @ Dec. 17 2004,15:45)]Grunge was good as an antidote to those twee indie bands you're so fond of.

But personally, i can't stand grunge. I was always into hip-hop at that age.

I've told you before, I'm not happy with your blatant prejudice against twee indie bands and their fans. This bigotry has no place on this messageboard, I shall organise a benefit festival to raise awareness and fight back against the evil of indie-ism!

I am contacting the former members of Sleeper and Menswear to see if they will reform for the occasion and we will be printing 'BritPop against indie-ism' t-shirts to sell alongside old school adidas tracksuit tops and rare Belle and Sebastian posters. All to fight against your evil ways!

i once met one of Shed Seven while at uni- he was a top bloke, and even he didn't like indie!!!

 

[Leeboy]

Quote[/b] (Ron Manager @ Dec. 17 2004,15:56)]I am contacting the former members of Sleeper and Menswear

give me a shout mate, as I work with a guy who hangs about with them socially, so we should get em on the cheap

 

[Ron Manager]

Quote[/b] (Leeboy @ Dec. 17 2004,15:59)]

Quote[/b] (Ron Manager @ Dec. 17 2004,15:56)]I am contacting the former members of Sleeper and Menswear

give me a shout mate, as I work with a guy who hangs about with them socially, so we should get em on the cheap

If he hangs around socially with Louise Wener from Sleeper then invite yourself and I along to gatecrash the social gathering for a perv!

If it's just Menswear don't bother.............

 

[Leeboy]

Quote[/b] (Ron Manager @ Dec. 17 2004,16:07)]

Quote[/b] (Leeboy @ Dec. 17 2004,15:59)]

Quote[/b] (Ron Manager @ Dec. 17 2004,15:56)]I am contacting the former members of Sleeper and Menswear

give me a shout mate, as I work with a guy who hangs about with them socially, so we should get em on the cheap

If he hangs around socially with Louise Wener from Sleeper then invite yourself and I along to gatecrash the social gathering for a perv!

If it's just Menswear don't bother.............

I'm afraid it's Simon from Menswear and Steve Mason from Gene, so sorry mate.
2 years ago I was like 'wow, you know famous musicians', now I'm quite blasé about it.

Although my mate still says ' wow, you know Drewe Broughton'

 

[steveh1510]

Quote[/b] (Leeboy @ Dec. 17 2004,16:10)]Although my mate still says ' wow, you know Drewe Broughton'  

Super Cheese Wilson said that to you? Blimey.

 

[Ron Manager]

Quote[/b] (Leeboy @ Dec. 17 2004,16:10)]Simon from Menswear and Steve Mason from Gene,

famous musicians

Mentioned in the same breath for the first time ever surely?

 

[palexander]

Grunge is my specialised subject!! I love it, grew up with it and embraced it like people did Punk or Ska etc at the time.

I know music is very subjective, but some of the bands that came out at that time just totally rule...

Alice In Chains
Soundgarden
Pearl Jam
Stone Temple Pilots
Nirvana
Dinosaur Jr

There are many more, but these guys are who you should look out for if you want to get into grunge. Its not all heavy depressing guitar fuzz either - if you dont want to listen to the music, just take a read of some of the lyrics by Soundgardens Chris Cornell (even his solo stuff) and Eddie Vedder from Pearl Jam... you will be blown away.

Anyway.... as Alice In Chains "Love, Hate, Love" blasts away in the background, I need to make one more SZ post and carry on working!!

GRUNGE RULES!

 

[palexander]

Oh and thanks for the mention of the forgotten Louise Weener - what a total babe!

 

[Alexis_SUFC]

I went through a phase a few years back when I was really into Nirvana and STP. During that phase I got a few books about Kurt Cobain, and a few of their albums including my prized possesion of a signed Nevermind album.

The only Soundgarden song that I know is 'Black Holed Sun' and i quite like it so i might download a few of their songs. Don't really like Pearl Jam although 'Jeremy' is a good song.

Alexis

 

[Ron Manager]

Quote[/b] (pboreham @ Dec. 17 2004,16:34)]Grunge is my specialised subject!! I love it, grew up with it and embraced it like people did Punk or Ska etc at the time.

I know music is very subjective, but some of the bands that came out at that time just totally rule...

Alice In Chains
Soundgarden
Pearl Jam
Stone Temple Pilots
Nirvana
Dinosaur Jr

There are many more, but these guys are who you should look out for if you want to get into grunge. Its not all heavy depressing guitar fuzz either - if you dont want to listen to the music, just take a read of some of the lyrics by Soundgardens Chris Cornell (even his solo stuff) and Eddie Vedder from Pearl Jam... you will be blown away.

Anyway.... as Alice In Chains "Love, Hate, Love" blasts away in the background, I need to make one more SZ post and carry on working!!

GRUNGE RULES!

Have to disagree with you there mate (with the greatest of respect of course, and wishing you good luck with the trip to Oz).

Grunge was just a 'scene' made up by a music journalist desperate to make up for the fact he wasn't there at a really important time in music history (like rock'n'roll, the 60's British invasion of America, Punk, Hip-Hop, Acid House) and should be filed alongside the other fake happenings (Psychadelia, Prog-Rock, Ska, Baggy, Brit-Pop). That's not to say that there wasn't great music from grunge, but it came from Nirvana and Nirvana alone if you discount the bands that pre-dated but influenced the whole sound (like The Pixies) or that came along after like post-punk and took the next step musically (like Dinosaur Jr or Teenage Fanclub). The same is the case with all the other 'fake happenings' mentioned, there was some great music as part of them (with the exception of Prog-Rock - music of brain dead hippies with no worth whatsoever). Each had one or two good bands of real significance but they didn't really form part of a movement that made a difference to the world at the time.

IMHO of course

 

[palexander]

Quote[/b] (Ron Manager @ Dec. 18 2004,03:17)]

Quote[/b] (pboreham @ Dec. 17 2004,16:34)]Grunge is my specialised subject!! I love it, grew up with it and embraced it like people did Punk or Ska etc at the time.

I know music is very subjective, but some of the bands that came out at that time just totally rule...

Alice In Chains
Soundgarden
Pearl Jam
Stone Temple Pilots
Nirvana
Dinosaur Jr

There are many more, but these guys are who you should look out for if you want to get into grunge. Its not all heavy depressing guitar fuzz either - if you dont want to listen to the music, just take a read of some of the lyrics by Soundgardens Chris Cornell (even his solo stuff) and Eddie Vedder from Pearl Jam... you will be blown away.

Anyway.... as Alice In Chains "Love, Hate, Love" blasts away in the background, I need to make one more SZ post and carry on working!!

GRUNGE RULES!

Have to disagree with you there mate (with the greatest of respect of course, and wishing you good luck with the trip to Oz).

Grunge was just a 'scene' made up by a music journalist desperate to make up for the fact he wasn't there at a really important time in music history (like rock'n'roll, the 60's British invasion of America, Punk, Hip-Hop, Acid House) and should be filed alongside the other fake happenings (Psychadelia, Prog-Rock, Ska, Baggy, Brit-Pop). That's not to say that there wasn't great music from grunge, but it came from Nirvana and Nirvana alone if you discount the bands that pre-dated but influenced the whole sound (like The Pixies) or that came along after like post-punk and took the next step musically (like Dinosaur Jr or Teenage Fanclub). The same is the case with all the other 'fake happenings' mentioned, there was some great music as part of them (with the exception of Prog-Rock - music of brain dead hippies with no worth whatsoever). Each had one or two good bands of real significance but they didn't really form part of a movement that made a difference to the world at the time.

IMHO of course

He! He!... ok...

As 'fake' as the grunge scene was - and yea, I dont really agree with the term - it certainly produced lots of good music other than Nirvana, but that is why music is about taste.

Thats like me saying that the Punk era didnt produce any good music apart from the Clash - when I imagine people into Punk could real off tons of great tracks from the genre. Just cos I dont really like Punk, doesnt mean that good songs were not released.

To discount Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam or Soundgarden from the birth of grunge is a massive oversight. Sure, the later bands like STP etc tried to grasp the shirt-tails of the era and whilst producing some cracking music (check out the album "Purple" by Stone Temple Pilots for example) they never really had the raw edge of the affore mentioned.

If you want to start looking for grunge tracks Alexis, start here...

Alice In Chains : "It aint like that", "Man In The Box", "Love, Hate, Love" - from their 1st album 'Facelift'

Pearl Jam : "Even Flow", "Black", "Alive" from 'Ten' or "Go" from Vs.

Soundgarden : "Jesus Christ Pose", "Outshined", "Rusty Cage" from 'Bad Motor Finger' or "Fell On Black Days", "Spoonman", "Like Suicide" from 'Superunknown"

They were the first albums of those bands around the birth of grunge (1991/92) and should give you a good taster of the bands.

Cheers for the good luck RM! I wont slate your grunge-hatery too much, if only for the fact you mentioned Louise Weener!

 

[Ron Manager]

As an antedote to all this grunge dreariness, a picture of the mentioned Ms Wener for those of you either too young or old to know what we're on about -

 

[Mad Cyril]

Quote[/b] (Ron Manager @ Dec. 17 2004,15:42)]Following on from the 'New Romantic' thread and moving on a decade, did the grunge scene do anything for you?

Personally I think Nirvana were one of the best bands ever - truly inspirational and a shot in the arm for the music industry when it was desperately needed. Sadly they led the way for a whole lot of other at best average but mostly appalling miserable plaid shirt wearing chancers.

Kurt Kobain killed the baggy scene stone dead. For that I will never forgive him.

The only Nirvana albumn I like is the MTV unplugeed one which is fantastic.

 

[Ron Manager]

Quote[/b] (Mad Cyril @ Dec. 19 2004,18:52)]

Quote[/b] (Ron Manager @ Dec. 17 2004,15:42)]Following on from the 'New Romantic' thread and moving on a decade, did the grunge scene do anything for you?

Personally I think Nirvana were one of the best bands ever - truly inspirational and a shot in the arm for the music industry when it was desperately needed. Sadly they led the way for a whole lot of other at best average but mostly appalling miserable plaid shirt wearing chancers.

Kurt Kobain killed the baggy scene stone dead. For that I will never forgive him.

The only Nirvana albumn I like is the MTV unplugeed one which is fantastic.

Kurt didn't kill baggy, baggy was just another one of those made up 'scenes' invented by a journalist and the two truly great bands in the made up scene were The Stone Roses and The Happy Mondays. What killed those two bands creatively were drugs. For The Roses the fact that the two men who were the creative force fell apart with John Squire's cocaine use being widely attributed for the long wait for the second album and the often cited 'creative differences' that broke the band.

The Happy Mondays just simply took too many drugs and were never straight enough to follow the fantasticly inspired work of the early albums Instead they blew their extortionate recording budget on whatever narcotics they could find on the Carribean island they were sent to record - and that was a lot of drugs!

Kurt Cobain simply made, as part of Nirvana, fantastic music that struck a chord with many of a generation. However that music could have and would have sat happily in the charts alongside other great music by The Roses and The Mondays, if those bands had been in a state to produce it.

Music isn't like football, where you support one team and hate all others. To dislike one band or artist because their success happened at the time of the demise of other artists you like doesn't make sense to me. I passionately love The Roses, The Mondays and Nirvana because they all made fantastic music.

 

[palexander]

Quote[/b] (Ron Manager @ Dec. 19 2004,18:27)]As an antedote to all this grunge dreariness, a picture of the mentioned Ms Wener for those of you either too young or old to know what we're on about -

...

damn she is hot - I remember me and my ex-wife were gonna go and see Sleeper at Cliffs - but my wife was ill that night. Ended up going to see the Blues - must have been a Tuesday night game and remember we thumped someone...

Anyway... what a babe!