Forget Colu we are playing the Real Scum tomorrow

[Prodigal Son]

Quote[/b] (Thenewblue @ Mar. 17 2006,21:24)]YEAH THEY SHOULD HAVE GONE BANKRUPT AND OUT OF EXISTENCE RATHER THAN ANNOY A FEW NOBODYS ON THIS SITE! YOUR ALL PATHETIC TO HATE THEM. THEY HAD NO FANS IN LONDON SO THEY WOULDA GONE BUST. BUT THE CLUB IS STILL AFLOAT NOW SO WHY DO U ALL CARE SO MUCH. JUST CONCERN YOURSELFS WITH OUR OWN CLUB. SOUTHEND UTD! COME ON YOU BLUE BOYS!

Well put, I think I was trying to say the same thing, but careful calling people 'nobodys' on here, many of them have legend status (according to them)

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Thenewblue @ Mar. 17 2006,22:24)]YEAH THEY SHOULD HAVE GONE BANKRUPT AND OUT OF EXISTENCE RATHER THAN ANNOY A FEW NOBODYS ON THIS SITE! YOUR ALL PATHETIC TO HATE THEM. THEY HAD NO FANS IN LONDON SO THEY WOULDA GONE BUST. BUT THE CLUB IS STILL AFLOAT NOW SO WHY DO U ALL CARE SO MUCH. JUST CONCERN YOURSELFS WITH OUR OWN CLUB. SOUTHEND UTD! COME ON YOU BLUE BOYS!

But you have to fight franchising in English football before OUR club gets embroiled in the sordid practice. Remember that Southend United FC very nearly moved to Milton Keynes; it could have been us. Then would you have been so blasé about it? Wimbledon FC were a legitimate football club and it doesn't matter whether they had 2,000 fans to 20,000; for those fans it was THEIR football club, just as Southend United is OUR football club. They had their club taken away from them; what would you if you had your club taken away from you? The creation of MK Dons destroyed TWO clubs - Wimbledon FC and Milton Keynes City. As football fans we simply shouldn't ignore such actions with the blinkered view that "it isn't happening to our club".

Because one day it just might ...

 

[Thenewblue]

Like it or not, football clubs now ARE businesses, plc's etc. If a business underperforms..makes losses underperforms etc, then moving is a viable option. Now Wimbledon FC was losing money hand over fist, rented a ground, and had no fan base to speak of. MK had no league team as such, and so it was a business decision to re-locate, was it right football wise? undoubtley it wasn't, but business wise it was, Wimbledon FC wouldn't exist today anyway, due to debt. They did what was necessary to keep a club alive, just under a diff name, maybe it wasn't right, but it was neccessary.

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Their "fan base" was no bigger than ours. Don't let the fact that we're pulling in an average of 7,000 or so cloud your opinion. Just watch the average attendance plummet once the team starts losing (and it will happen). I reckon there must be no more than 3,000 hardcore fans; Wimbledon FC probably boasted much the same before their club was taken away from them.

BTW - Not many years ago, we were losing money had over fist, rented our ground, and had no real fan base to speak of. Did our owners sell up and move the club elsewhere? No! They worked on pulling the club out of the doldrums. Our finances are better (although we're still massively in debt) and we're pulling in more fans (but only because of the success) although we still rent our ground. You know we're not that much different ...

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

Quote[/b] (Xàbia Shrimper @ Mar. 17 2006,21:51)]

Quote[/b] (Thenewblue @ Mar. 17 2006,22:24)]YEAH THEY SHOULD HAVE GONE BANKRUPT AND OUT OF EXISTENCE RATHER THAN ANNOY A FEW NOBODYS ON THIS SITE! YOUR ALL PATHETIC TO HATE THEM. THEY HAD NO FANS IN LONDON SO THEY WOULDA GONE BUST. BUT THE CLUB IS STILL AFLOAT NOW SO WHY DO U ALL CARE SO MUCH. JUST CONCERN YOURSELFS WITH OUR OWN CLUB. SOUTHEND UTD! COME ON YOU BLUE BOYS!

But you have to fight franchising in English football before OUR club gets embroiled in the sordid practice. Remember that Southend United FC very nearly moved to Milton Keynes; it could have been us. Then would you have been so blasé about it? Wimbledon FC were a legitimate football club and it doesn't matter whether they had 2,000 fans to 20,000; for those fans it was THEIR football club, just as Southend United is OUR football club. They had their club taken away from them; what would you if you had your club taken away from you? The creation of MK Dons destroyed TWO clubs - Wimbledon FC and Milton Keynes City. As football fans we simply shouldn't ignore such actions with the blinkered view that "it isn't happening to our club".

Because one day it just might ...

Spot on.

The other point worth recalling is that Wimbledon rose from non-league obscurity to win the FA Cup and to put the big, rich club's noses out of joint (often literally!). The demise of Wimbledon, synonmous with the rise of the premier$hite marks the end of the dream when anyone can win the FA Cup and regularly beat the big boys in the top flight.

When Wimbledon died, a piece of English football died. MK Dons is the illegitimate offspring, not worthy of Wimbledon's illustrious name.

Franchising is wrong, it is against everything that a club like Southend should stand for eg community based, the idea of partaking in a league based on footballing performances not bank balances.

I hope we stuff them for double figures tomorrow.

 

[Suffolk Shrimper In Dorset]

m k dons is not right, a sorry growth that will fade unless post their new stadium they get some more dosh to buy there way up. it will never last though.

but don't really care. tomorrow is all about supporting our team, not slagging off theirs. too many folk on this site have childish views, though I suspect some are kids so maybe fair enough. but wise up. support our team, that is what will inspire Kev & Co to do the business tomorrow, not slagging off the dons.

up the Blues

 

[Thenewblue]

I'm aware of our fan base thank you! Sat there grim faced through the chipunk days! I'm not trying to argue or fight, but I just see what they done as not all that wrong, as long as it was a 1 off. their getting bigger gates than when they was in the chamiponship, I dunno, just its hard to put across in words!

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Suffolk Shrimper @ Mar. 17 2006,23:05)]too many folk on this site have childish views, though I suspect some are kids so maybe fair enough. but wise up. support our team, that is what will inspire Kev & Co to do the business tomorrow, not slagging off the dons.

I'm not necessarily slagging off MK Dons but more pinning my objection to the danger of football franchising. I'm far from a kid but if my opinions is considered to be childish then we might as well give up and open the door to franchising. Harlow Shrimpers anyone?!

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Thenewblue @ Mar. 17 2006,23:06)]I'm aware of our fan base thank you! Sat there grim faced through the chipunk days! I'm not trying to argue or fight, but I just see what they done as not all that wrong, as long as it was a 1 off. their getting bigger gates than when they was in the chamiponship, I dunno, just its hard to put across in words!

You should have been grim-faced during the Peter Morris days when barely 1,000 turned out!! Yes, the Football League realised they'd fecked up after condoning the move and claim to discourage further possibilities so we MAY not see other franchising in professional football in England and therefore it could be a "one-off". But money talks and I fear that there are several other clubs (or rather their league positions) who are being lined up for a similar project. As football fans we should be united to let the authorities know that they can't play with OUR football clubs. There is too much history in each and every club in this land ... apart from MK Dons ...

BTW - We're not fighting; it's a debate.

 

[Thenewblue]

I know that at 1 time it was discussed Southend moving to basildon, but surely if u was a wimbeldon fan, u'd rather have an mk dons to support than no team at all?

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

Quote[/b] (Thenewblue @ Mar. 17 2006,22:06)]I'm aware of our fan base thank you! Sat there grim faced through the chipunk days! I'm not trying to argue or fight, but I just see what they done as not all that wrong, as long as it was a 1 off. their getting bigger gates than when they was in the chamiponship, I dunno, just its hard to put across in words!

But the move has created the precedent.

Also if you think the Chipmunk years were bad, you should have been about in the 80s, or even in the 90s when we were doing well but a move to Basildon was being muted.

 

[Thenewblue]

If you want to look at a case sutdy, the NBA is a good reference, they seem to be ok with it? maybe it doesn't quite apply, but it does seem to help struggling teams prosper, so is it the location or the name we support?

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

Quote[/b] (Hong Kong Blue @ Mar. 17 2006,22:15)]

Quote[/b] (Thenewblue @ Mar. 17 2006,22:06)]I'm aware of our fan base thank you! Sat there grim faced through the chipunk days! I'm not trying to argue or fight, but I just see what they done as not all that wrong, as long as it was a 1 off. their getting bigger gates than when they was in the chamiponship, I dunno, just its hard to put across in words!

But the move has created the precedent.

Also if you think the Chipmunk years were bad, you should have been about in the 80s, or even in the 90s when we were doing well but a move to Basildon was being muted.

Sorry, muted is what Jobson tried to do to fans who opposed the move.

I meant mooted.

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Thenewblue @ Mar. 17 2006,23:14)]I know that at 1 time it was discussed Southend moving to basildon, but surely if u was a wimbeldon fan, u'd rather have an mk dons to support than no team at all?

No. And a vast majority of Wimbledon FC fans would disagree as well which is why they set up AFC Wimbledon. Obviously I can't speak for everyone but I would suggest that the vast majority would prefer to follow an AFC Southend outfit playing in the Borough of Southend-on-Sea than a franchised version of their club playing 70 miles away.

BTW - Southend United were originally linked with a move to Milton Keynes before Winkelman targeted Wimbledon FC; would you have gone all that way to support such a team?

 

[Thenewblue]

Why was a move to Basilodn even considered? New ground probs?

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

Quote[/b] (Thenewblue @ Mar. 17 2006,22:16)]If you want to look at a case sutdy, the NBA is a good reference, they seem to be ok with it? maybe it doesn't quite apply, but it does seem to help struggling teams prosper, so is it the location or the name we support?

The Americans are OK with capital punishment for mentally retardent teenagers, it does't mean that that makes it OK.

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Thenewblue @ Mar. 17 2006,23:16)]If you want to look at a case sutdy, the NBA is a good reference, they seem to be ok with it?

And the NFL.

But the US has been brought up within the world of sports franchising; it's part and parcel of the game in the States. There are a few exceptions of course but, on the whole, there's very little history in US sport, unlike England where most clubs can trace their origins back to the 19th Century ...

 

[Thenewblue]

Thats what I mean though? Do you support Southend as a region? or Southend Utd as a team? Say they took the whole structure, players management etc and stuck as in Epping for example..would I still go or would i go see AFC Southend who I have no affiliation with? No contest SOuthend Utd would win. I live in Basildon, doe sthat mean I should turn out and support them instead of Southend?

 

[Xàbia Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Thenewblue @ Mar. 17 2006,23:19)]Why was a move to Basilodn even considered? New ground probs?

Jobson disagreements with Southend Council.

Jobson disagreements with fans.

Jobson disagreements with anything that stopped him from making money out of the club by whatever means ...

 

[Thenewblue]

I'm not totally ingnorant to what your saying and in some ways I agree, but maybe I'm naive, but I belive there must be a reason they moved?