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[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (glasgowsufc @ June 20 2005,14:51)]I really hate that condesceding fat Spurs w*nker!

Is he that bad? All pundits are to some extent a bit pious...

I was always a big fan of the Two Dannys when they were on Radio Five - they haven't come anywhere near replacing that show in their Saturday pre-match slot, IMHO.

The "Des talks to..." which is currently there is desperate, although at least it means that the monstrously awful Dominik Diamond isn't inhabiting that particular slice of the 5Live Schedule...

IMHO, there are plenty of worse pundits out there; although, clearly, the fact that he's a Spurs fan is a problem - after all, almost without exception (I can think of only one, a guy I know called Beany), every Spurs fan I've ever met is a suicidally depressed whiner whose belief that the English game is dying is based purely on the fact that Spurs are no longer a so-called member of the Big Five, thereby ignoring the fact that Spurs have played in Europe only once or so in the last 20 years and have won next to nothing domestically in that time.

Indeed, Spurs are only able to celebrate football through the medium of Schadenfreude - i.e. rejoicing in other people's misfortune. This is exemplified by the fact that the only moment of "success" they can claim in recent years is Nayim's halfway line lob over Seaman in the UEFA Cup final.

Unfortunately for Spurs fans, Nayim was no longer playing for them in 1995. However, the fact that his goal was scored for Real Zaragoza is immaterial to them.

So, apart from the Spurs link, Kelly's not all that bad, is he?

Matt

 

[C C Csiders]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ June 20 2005,15:45)]

Quote[/b] (glasgowsufc @ June 20 2005,14:51)]I really hate that condesceding fat Spurs w*nker!

Is he that bad?  All pundits are to some extent a bit pious...

Yes, he is that bad. He isn't really a pundit, a pundit would be someone with views on the game that he could at least back-up with having played the game. He's more a presenter, and a particularly crap one at that, both to look at, and to listen to.

Danny Baker a to$$er aswell.

 

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ June 20 2005,15:52)]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ June 20 2005,15:45)]

Quote[/b] (glasgowsufc @ June 20 2005,14:51)]I really hate that condesceding fat Spurs w*nker!

Is he that bad?  All pundits are to some extent a bit pious...

Yes, he is that bad. He isn't really a pundit, a pundit would be someone with views on the game that he could at least back-up with having played the game. He's more a presenter, and a particularly crap one at that, both to look at, and to listen to.

Danny Baker a to$$er aswell.

Ok, he may not be a pundit, but he can be a critic / journalist - and the fact that you've never played the game is immaterial.

Indeed, in some sports, the worst presenters are those who have formerly participated... anyone who has ever witnessed the mute inability of the likes of Gunnell, Black and Cram to criticise an athlete for a bad performance would be able confirm that.

Contrast that with Jonners, Blowers, Tony Cozier et al. in the cricketing world - fantasitc commentators, often harsh critics... but never played the game to much of a level. Indeed, the likes of Benaud & Aggers (in cricket) and Gray & Hansen (in football) - top class sportsmen becoming top class presenters / pundits - are invariably the exception, rather than the rule.

Baker... at times, I agree, a total stroker - especially in terms of some of his acquaintances and in the rather "new lad" way in which he conducted himself.

At other times, I've heard him make some of the most memorable radio I've ever heard. I can still remember some stuff that Danny Baker did on 5Live from 7 years or more ago (in that I remember listening to it when I was living in my old flat). In that ability to create memorable radio, Danny Baker remains totally peerless. I, for one, miss him on the airwaves.

 

[C C Csiders]

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Quote[/b] (glasgowsufc @ June 20 2005,14:51)]I really hate that condesceding fat Spurs w*nker!

Is he that bad?  All pundits are to some extent a bit pious...

Yes, he is that bad. He isn't really a pundit, a pundit would be someone with views on the game that he could at least back-up with having played the game. He's more a presenter, and a particularly crap one at that, both to look at, and to listen to.

Danny Baker a to$$er aswell.

Ok, he may not be a pundit, but he can be a critic / journalist - and the fact that you've never played the game is immaterial.

Indeed, in some sports, the worst presenters are those who have formerly participated... anyone who has ever witnessed the mute inability of the likes of Gunnell, Black and Cram to criticise an athlete for a bad performance would be able confirm that.

You did originally call him a pundit, so my reply was based on that. Whether a pundit or a journo he is still nauseating.

I think the problem with the former athletes you mentioned (Cram aside) is that they are not long retired, and fall into the not wishing to criticise a mate syndrome.

I thought you could still hear D. Baker on BBC London?

 

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ June 20 2005,16:08)]You did originally call him a pundit, so my reply was based on that. Whether a pundit or a journo he is still nauseating.

I think the problem with the former athletes you mentioned (Cram aside) is that they are not long retired, and fall into the not wishing to criticise a mate syndrome.

I thought you could still hear D. Baker on BBC London?

Possibly right, although all the athletes seem to be pretty bad at being critical - on the basis that it's largely an amateur (or perhaps amateurish?) sport...

I think that's right about Baker on BBC London; although that's a music-life-everything show, rather than just football (which is what I loved hearing him do)...

Kelly... yeah, I can see the nauseating tag; but amidst the nausea, there's some good stuff there too...

Matt

 

[C C Csiders]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ June 20 2005,16:12)]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ June 20 2005,16:08)]You did originally call him a pundit, so my reply was based on that. Whether a pundit or a journo he is still nauseating.

I think the problem with the former athletes you mentioned (Cram aside) is that they are not long retired, and fall into the not wishing to criticise a mate syndrome.

I thought you could still hear D. Baker on BBC London?

Possibly right, although all the athletes seem to be pretty bad at being critical - on the basis that it's largely an amateur (or perhaps amateurish?) sport...

I think that's right about Baker on BBC London; although that's a music-life-everything show, rather than just football (which is what I loved hearing him do)...

Kelly... yeah, I can see the nauseating tag; but amidst the nausea, there's some good stuff there too...

Matt

I think with Baker it is a case of him being better heard rather than seen. Kelly it is neither.

Baker was certainly better than all recent incumbents to the 5 Live 606 programme. He was, as a Millwall fan, more inclined to listen and give air time to fans of clubs outside the Premier$hite.

 

[Matt the Shrimp]

Definitely agree that Baker's awful on telly, as well as the best recent incumbent of the 606 chair. Worst 606 one is probably Mellor, though Alan Green sure runs him close.

 

[C C Csiders]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ June 20 2005,16:46)]Definitely agree that Baker's awful on telly, as well as the best recent incumbent of the 606 chair.  Worst 606 one is probably Mellor, though Alan Green sure runs him close.

I think the self-opinionated (syrup wearing?) Green is far worse than Mellor, in that with Mellor you knew he didn't really know what he was talking about, and therefore, you could go along with the bluff and blunder.

 

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (C C Csiders @ June 20 2005,16:49)]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ June 20 2005,16:46)]Definitely agree that Baker's awful on telly, as well as the best recent incumbent of the 606 chair.  Worst 606 one is probably Mellor, though Alan Green sure runs him close.

I think the self-opinionated (syrup wearing?) Green is far worse than Mellor, in that with Mellor you knew he didn't really know what he was talking about, and therefore, you could go along with the bluff and blunder.

Hmm, a fair point... it just used to bemuse me how he got to be the 606 presenter purely by dint of having shagged some ropey bint wearing a Chelsea shirt - allegedly, that is...

Oh, and it may have had something to do with the fact that he was once Minister for Sport, I suppose...

Don't know who scores more highly in the patronising / condescending stakes as between Mellor and Green (syrup, indeed?!), though... it's a close-run thing, I reckon...

Matt

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

Am surprised that Danny Kelly is getting all this stick. I always felt he was a genuine football fan who appreciated (and saw the comedy in) all levels of the game. 6-0-6 was deservedly an institution under his and Danny Baker's stewardship and one which catered for all match-going fans and tackled some genuine issues.

It was only once Mellor took over, that the phrase "and remember its not just about the premier$hite" became a once a week token gesture towards people like us, and the rest of the show became a platform for Liverpool and Spurs fans to bemoan their sides' lack of success/"big-name signings".

Mellor's stint marked the end of a programme whose soul was based on the terraces, to one, which if it had a soul, would be sat in its armchair at home (unless a friend had managed to acquire some seats, in which case it would be a programme based on the long drive back to Surrey from a home game at Old Trafford or to East Anglia from Anfield etc.).

Can anyone recall why Danny Baker got sacked from 6-0-6? I can't remember what the supposedly outrageous comment was he made.

 

[Guest]

I read the first page on this topic, then the 3rd.

Five Star to Mellor in such a short space ?

This is gonna be interesting!
I'm going to read the 2nd page now

 

[Guest]

OK I blame the moderator...

W4 Shrimper

 

[A loyal supporter]

I think Bakers a class act - his morning show on BBC Radio London is top notch.

 

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (Hong Kong Blue @ June 20 2005,19:22)]Can anyone recall why Danny Baker got sacked from 6-0-6? I can't remember what the supposedly outrageous comment was he made.

That was the incredibly memorable bit of radio I alluded to. Basically, it was a tirade against referees after the ref awarded Chelsea a last minute of extra time penalty in their FA Cup replay against Leicester in the 5th round of the Cup in the 1996-97 season.

The ref had arrogantly waved away the Leicester protests when, in fact, his decision had been a scandalously poor one. Baker was foaming at the mouth about these "amateurs" in black - one of whom had just blown Leicester's season out of the water.

A Scottish ref called up and asked Baker to be reasonable. Baker retorted "no, why do I have to be reasonable when one of your brethren has made one of the most unreasonable decisions of the year and cheated a football club out of hundreds of thousands of pounds" - something along those lines.

It was the monologue ranting, the refusal to be reasonable and the insinuation that the ref was a cheat that was the final straw for the BBC. The Corporation - not one for causing controversy - asked Danny to leave.

He was foaming, he was raving during that radio programme... but it was gripping. I didn't move from my radio for an hour. The most amazing thing was - he didn't swear, once, despite all the passion! I would have been effing and blinding, but not Baker.

A true pro - and with passion that you simply can't replicate. He has been missed.

Matt

 

[Guest]

I disliked him intensely.

I think just because he supported a non glamourous team he felt his opinion was more important than anybody elses.

Even Daz got rid of him.

 

[W4 Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (TrainCrewBlues @ June 20 2005,22:34)]OK I blame the moderator...

W4 Shrimper  

I'm not a moderator in the pub!

 

[C C Csiders]

Quote[/b] (Guest @ June 21 2005,00:42)]Even Daz got rid of him.

Bloody hell, that must be good stuff.

Persil can't remove a curry stain from my white shirt.