Fat, poor, on drugs? Probably your own fault!

[J]

Call me old fashioned but are they not are more likely to be suicide bombers than catholics are? British Catholics and Protestants have managed to survive for quite a few years here without blowing each other up.

I saw a documentary on tv the other week where a bunch of black muslim were having a gang war with a bunch of asian muslim who originated form Pakistan. (I wouldnt use the word ****'s for obvious reasons) This is an example of the multi cultural problems we will be facing in the future. Support for the BNP is growing. When the white youth realise whats going on they will be rising up against these other groups as well.

I wish that was true, however today's white youth population, are more concerned with trying to pretend to be black jamaican gangsters.

 

[steveo]

are more concerned with trying to pretend to be black jamaican gangsters.

Yeah I saw a programme last night which put a bunch of youths in prison for a few weeks. There was a white lad who called everyone man and said innit at the end of every sentence. Strange really.

 

[J]

Yeah I saw a programme last night which put a bunch of youths in prison for a few weeks. There was a white lad who called everyone man and said innit at the end of every sentence. Strange really.

Aye, i mean surely he is just soaking up his local culture.. And to be honest, in south london - you have a wide variety to choose from...

African Blacks
African Arabs
Afrkan
bengali
Indian
Pakistani
Jamaican
Nigerian

or just plain old South Londoners. To be honest, the list above looks more appealing than the latter.

 

[steveo]

or just plain old South Londoners

Who? think you are going back a bit far there mate

 

[J]

Who? think you are going back a bit far there mate

Haha.. yeah just a bit, probably pre 1970

 

[sufcintheprem]

Didn't realise this was a race thread. I thought we'd maybe had enough of them by now.

Shame the forgotten man's comments were forgotten so quickly to be honest.

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

British Catholics and Protestants have managed to survive for quite a few years here without blowing each other up.

:D


I'm sorry, that was supposed to be humerous, wasn't it?

 

[sufcintheprem]

Ok, I might have to respond a bit...

Call me old fashioned but are they not are more likely to be suicide bombers than catholics are?

Suicide, yes, but I seem to remember the IRA being pretty bomb happy.

British Catholics and Protestants have managed to survive for quite a few years here without blowing each other up.

They have now but some of our bloodiest history was spent trying to reconcile differences between the two. The majority of Muslims will have been here two generations at most. I'm not saying that this is justification but there's no way I can speak to a random Muslim blaming him for atrocities caused by other Muslims. Is it my fault born in to a Christian family that the Serbian soldiers raping Bosnian women?

I saw a documentary on tv the other week where a bunch of black muslim were having a gang war with a bunch of asian muslim who originated form Pakistan. (I wouldnt use the word ****'s for obvious reasons) This is an example of the multi cultural problems we will be facing in the future. Support for the BNP is growing. When the white youth realise whats going on they will be rising up against these other groups as well.

I didn't see this and haven't researched the documentary so I can certainly be completely wrong. However, is it not fair to say that when you're a teenager you tend to seek membership of groups for a number of reasons? I would assume most teenagers would seek common interest groups and if you happen to be in a minority religion, I'd say that's a fairly hefty common interest.

Most gangs in London seemed to be based around which block or area they live in rather than a racial divide.

From what I could tell, the things going on in Birmingham a couple of years back seemed slightly different as did the incidents in the North West.

Anyway, none of this has relevance to what Cameron said.

 

[steveo]

British Catholics and Protestants have managed to survive for quite a few years here without blowing each other up.




I'm sorry, that was supposed to be humerous, wasn't it?

I did say British, which I think we have established in previous posts, rules out the Irish.
Even if you include them the 80's and 90's were relatively bomb free compared to what he have had to suffer from the latest bunch of maniacs.

 

[OldBlueLady]

I did say British, which I think we have established in previous posts, rules out the Irish.
Even if you include them the 80's and 90's were relatively bomb free compared to what he have had to suffer from the latest bunch of maniacs.

Oh no, I have to take issue with you there. I was working in London for much of the 80s, and there were a number of bombings and hundreds of bomb warnings around that time.

I think we've allowed this thread to degenerate into something which it wasn't started out as. Political maybe, another debate on racism - no. The two can be discussed independently sometimes.

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

I did say British, which I think we have established in previous posts, rules out the Irish.
Even if you include them the 80's and 90's were relatively bomb free compared to what he have had to suffer from the latest bunch of maniacs.

Well, I'd class Ulster as British tbh.

Relatively bomb free? Are you serious? I think you'll find there were more incidents of bombings during the problems with Ulster than there have been from extremist Muslims.

 

[steveo]

I think you'll find there were more incidents of bombings during the problems with Ulster than there have been from extremist Muslims.

I did say quite a few years. A quarter of a century or so is quite a few years to most people and there isnt really a threat there now.

 

[dashman]

Shades of grey?

 

[Firestorm]

I did say British, which I think we have established in previous posts, rules out the Irish.
Even if you include them the 80's and 90's were relatively bomb free compared to what he have had to suffer from the latest bunch of maniacs.

Steve (You knew I coulnd't resist) , Since our last debate on this I went away and looked a few things up


Control over IRA bombings in Britain was given to Brian Keenan, a member of the Army Council from Belfast. Keenan, along with Peter McMullen, a former member of the British Parachute regiment, conducted a series of bombings in 1973. A bomb, planted by McMullen, exploded at a barracks in Yorkshire, injuring a female canteen worker. Keenan was born in County Londonderry Northern Ireland as was therefore British

The Assassinations of Ross McWhirter and Airey Neave as well as the Guilford and Woolwich pub bombings were carried out by a unit from Dublin.

The Birmingham Bombing was carried out by locals recruited to the cause.


The only conviction brought for The Hyde Park bombing was Danny Mcghee (Born Crossmaglen NI)

So it would appear that whilst the organisation was primarily Republic based there were a number of UK citizens who bombed the mainland of Britain . They also killed people in Northern Ireland based on theior religious belief.

As for "relatively bomb Free" there were 15 IRA Bomb attacks in London in the 80's and 90's

In the past 20 years (a similar period) how many Islamic extremist bomb attacks have there been ?

This post is not intended to condone any violent activity by any parties, nor is it an act of support for any race , creed religion or political group.
Its purely to put a few facts behind the debate.

 

[steveo]

The Assassinations of Ross McWhirter

That was always a strange one.

As for "relatively bomb Free" there were 15 IRA Bomb attacks in London in the 80's and 90's

Very surprising, i seem to have lost a few years

In the past 20 years (a similar period) how many Islamic extremist bomb attacks have there been ?

No idea, can you check for me, you seem to have plenty of spare time.

Its purely to put a few facts behind the debate

How dull though, If we all checked the facts before posting, we wouldnt be able fo fire off 15 random posts every 10 minutes whilst quaffing copius amounts of Guiness

 

[Desert Shrimper]

No they dont. They have to have their own schools, their own places of worship and their own communities. This rubbish about Britain being a multi cultural society is really worrying. Its a society of many cultures that dont get on and dont integrate and that can only be bad in the long term, especially for the white, English person who will some day be in the minority. Then when the "new" cultures start trying to run this country like they do their own, e.g you couldnt put a christian church in Iraq, the minorities like white English will be in trouble.

Wow Steveo you sound like you'd have loved Germany in the 1930's, except then you'd have blamed the ****ing Jewssss! Don't you have any Asian mates who are just er normal blokes? They're not all out to stick a semtex belt round your waist, honest.

 

[steveo]

Shame the forgotten man's comments were forgotten so quickly to be honest.

Who?

Don't you have any Asian mates who are just er normal blokes?

No. Not by choice, I just dont have any Asian mates. I do business with a few and my honest opinion is that Hindus are more honourable than Muslims, Indians are better to deal with than Pakistanis. That is based purely on my own experience and is not intended as a racist comment.

 

[Firestorm]

That was always a strange one.

Yeah, I could never make out the reasoning behind that one.....

 

[MK Shrimper]

Yeah, I could never make out the reasoning behind that one.....

From Wiki...

on 4 November 1975, McWhirter offered a £50,000 reward for information leading to a conviction for several recent high-profile bombings that were publicly claimed by the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA). He also advocated stronger restrictions on the Irish community in Britain

 

[Firestorm]

Who?


No. Not by choice, I just dont have any Asian mates. I do business with a few and my honest opinion is that Hindus are more honourable than Muslims, Indians are better to deal with than Pakistanis. That is based purely on my own experience and is not intended as a racist comment.

I have not had a lot of dealings with Hindus whereas a large number of our clients are Muslim.
Never had any "honour" issues with them , apart from when chasing money I once asked why they had not honour their debt and got flamed by the MD for trying to wind them up as, in his words, they are very honourable people.

the Biggest problems , funnily enough, I have encountered have been with those in the Asian Countries who consider themselves "western" .They all seem to model thier business ideals on Gordon Gecko and are willing to shaft anyone and everyone to get what they want. Also Russians seem to be particulary adept at F***ing people over.