Fat, poor, on drugs? Probably your own fault!

[lee_sufc]

Personally, I 100% agree with what is said here...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1032703/Fat-poor-Its-probably-fault-Cameron-declares.html

 

[Jedi Shrimper]

Personally, I 100% agree with what is said here...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1032703/Fat-poor-Its-probably-fault-Cameron-declares.html

That'll go down well in Glasgow East, one of the most deprived area's of Britain.

Does that mean it's his own fault he's a ****?

 

[Sussex Shrimper]

Not sure that I'd bring wealth into it, but otherwise I can't find much to disagree with there. Given that it's a story about a tory politician, published in the Daily Mail that troubles me. :stunned:

 

[Jonny_Stokes]

Perhaps Cameron could give them a hug (if he can get his arms round the fatties)? If it'll work for hoodies, it'll work for other blights on our society.

 

[cockles is back]

im fat, pretty poor and have done copius amounts of drugs in my time, is it my ownn fault, very fecking probably

 

[fredheim_holm]

Well said Cameron.

 

[dashman]

Of course we all believe what we read in the papers?!

And there are no rich, fat and drugged up people around!?

Dash

 

[MK Shrimper]

Out come the typical Tory stereotypes. For all his supposed change, Cameron is a typical public school boy toff, born in to luxury.

 

[Napster]

Out come the typical Tory stereotypes. For all his supposed change, Cameron is a typical public school boy toff, born in to luxury.

An easy stereotype to make yourself...

What he said was...

'Of course, circumstances - where you are born, your neighbourhood, your school, and the choices your parents make - have a huge impact. But social problems are often the consequence of the choices that people make.'

And I think that's fair comment.

 

[the_forgotten_man]

Out come the typical Tory stereotypes. For all his supposed change, Cameron is a typical public school boy toff, born in to luxury.

And out come the typical anti-Tory stereotypes. As a beacon of acceptance and tolerance, MK, why is it that you find it so easy to cast off a political party or politician simply because of the socio-economic group into which they were born? Is this not the same biggotry against which you and many others warned in recent threads (alright it was about racism, but judging someone based not on facts but on their background is just as bad)?

And what is it that you find so unacceptable with what he said? Is it not entirely possible for children (and adluts) of any wealth to exercise and eat healthy food at a bearable expense? Is it not entirely possible for people from any background to prosper when we have free education and health service to ensure that they have the opportunity to succeed in life?

All too often equality of opportunity and equality of outcome are confused by socialists, and people fail to realise that just because someone has screwed something up in life, it doesn't necessarily have to be the state's, or the system's fault. Admittedly, i think that the re-introduction of grammar schools into the educations system would increase this equality of opportunity (throughout all social classes), but even in areas where grammar schools have been abolished, all children have the right to free education up until 16, and many are even paid to be in education up to 18 - tell me where they lack the opportunity to learn, and better themselves?

Well done Cameron.

 

[Blueshrimper]

Don't agree with the part about being poor. Then again he probably doesn't realise not everybody is born into wealth.

 

[MK Shrimper]

How many Tories are not wealthy land owners with nice incomes and 2nd and 3rd homes? Not many I'd wager - though it's not as though Labour are any better these days.

And it's not as easy as "the choices" we make. I really believe that addiction is an illness like any other and some people have something inside them that makes them addicts of substances both legal and illegal. How many people from nice middle class homes become heroin addicts?

As for obesity - well, I suggest the government clamps down on the junk food ****e that pervades our high street and on the adverts. 99p for a burger of dubious nutritional value from Mc*******s where a bag of apples costs substantially more.

I have to say my dad told me that "The Tories only look after the rich," something that I was dangerously close to ignoring at the next election as I loathe the current bunch that are in (left wing? Are you kidding me, they're more right wing than Thatcher ever was).

Fortunately this little nugget from Cameron has bought me back to reality and at the next election my vote will go to........ well, not Labour or Tory that's for sure.

 

[loz]

Interesting move by Cameron- puts at risk a lot of the work that's been done to 'de-nasty' the Tories after Michael Howard, Redwood etc. Either he thinks he's catching a new mood a la the Suns 'Broken Britain', or that Labour are so ****ed anyway he can get away with being less centrist.

For what it's worth, my take on it is something like this: people from all walks of life can make **** decisions, or be selfish, neglectful and lazy. People fortunate to be born into better backgrounds do however grow up with higher aspirations and access to more options and resources. It's not an either/or issue, but I hope the Tories aren't going to go down the 'no such thing as society' route again'; it's dangerous politics and questionable ethics.

 

[Hotman]

As for obesity - well, I suggest the government clamps down on the junk food ****e that pervades our high street and on the adverts. 99p for a burger of dubious nutritional value from Mc*******s where a bag of apples costs substantially more.

Bollocks, its your choice what you put in your body, not the governments.

And with regards the cost issue, if an ecstacy tablet is cheaper than your dinner, it is your own ****ing fault if you choose the drug.

People have to learn to be responsible for themselves.

 

[Southend_Lady]

Bollocks, its your choice what you put in your body, not the governments.

And with regards the cost issue, if an ecstacy tablet is cheaper than your dinner, it is your own ****ing fault if you choose the drug.

People have to learn to be responsible for themselves.

Yep afraid I have to agree here.

I realise that addiction is an illness and it is a massive rollercoaster trying to sort it out, you only have to look at Amy Winehouse to see the effects. However, you can't become addicted to something you have never tried. Everyone knows what trouble drugs get you into so no one can plead ignorance.

I think that Cameron is right in saying that your background, income and area etc has a huge impact on your lifestyle. Thing is, there are plenty of people out there who come from the lowest of the low and the poorest of the poor and they still make something of themselves. They should be admired. Anything is possible if you put your mind to it, and although some have it harder than others, there are people out there that will prove the more misfortunate wasters wrong.

In most circumstances, being fat is a lifestyle issue. I would say that a small minority of people have problems tackling weight due to health issues etc. However, there are plenty of people out there that are just too lazy to get off their arses and do something about it.

I agree with most things that are said in the article and I think Cameron should be applauded for coming out and saying what everyone already thinks. People need to start taking responsibility for their own lives rather than trying to blame it on their circumstances. They would be admired much more.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Bollocks, its your choice what you put in your body, not the governments.

And with regards the cost issue, if an ecstacy tablet is cheaper than your dinner, it is your own ****ing fault if you choose the drug.

People have to learn to be responsible for themselves.

I quite agree. Thing is, a 2 year old given crisps and chocolate instead of a proper dinner has very little choice. People see a Happy Meal for £1.99 to feed their kids as a viable alternative as the kids won't complain the same way if you put a bit of fruit and veg in front of them.

 

[RobM]

Too many 'parents' cannot parent.

Too many buy the kid a new bike/PC game instead of spending time with the kid reading to them. I know of a kid who won't eat school dinners, he doesn't like them. When he was asked why he doesn't bring sandwiches, he said "Mummy doesn't have time to make them".

Money rich - time poor. Sad, sad, sad.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Think I've said something along these lines before - too many parents try and assuage their guilt at spending little time with their children by over indulging them with too much junk food, fizzy drinks, games, toys, in fact, almost anything they want. These children end up growing up wanting everything now and not learning how to be patient or to eat sensibly and at meal times, because they graze on rubbish all day long.

Having said that though, it's very easy to take the high moral ground when you have a young, fit, firm body. When you don't have the money to go to a gym and have kids to bring up it's not so easy, and then when this is complicated by health issues it's even harder. Just be aware that there are those who do have problems which make it difficult to keep fit, not least of which are the time and money.

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

Out come the typical Tory stereotypes. For all his supposed change, Cameron is a typical public school boy toff, born in to luxury.

I've always respected your views, though often disagreed (last time i believe was over the postal strike) but with respect those comments are the comments of a snob.

It should make no difference what someone's "class" or social background is, their views should be respected as much as a "working class hero" and vice versa. Disrespecting someone for being deemed "posh" is as bad as disrespecting someone for being "common".

 

[Kent Shrimper]

An easy stereotype to make yourself...

What he said was...

'Of course, circumstances - where you are born, your neighbourhood, your school, and the choices your parents make - have a huge impact. But social problems are often the consequence of the choices that people make.'

And I think that's fair comment.

Spot on this man, its all about the choices. Im sure we have all had different up bringing, pasts, experiences and they all come down to 1 thing, did we decide to snort that line, did we decide to gamble, did we decide to have another drink, did we decide to order the 17" super pizza from Dominoes?

Exactly we all made a choice!!! Que Sara Sara what ever will be will be!!!