Essex senior cup final - Who can explain?

[Shrimper2thecore]

And OAPs have usually earnt the right to a reduced admission!

What a bloody stupid comment

 

[WestRoadShrimper]

Yay someone actually decides to read the original question!!! Thank you!!

Didn't think it was as hard to figure out as some people made it.....

 

[OldBlueLady]

What a bloody stupid comment

I'd like to know why you think that? OAPs have usually worked hard in their life times to receive pensions, reduced rates or free travel on public transport and various other reduced prices, so if OAP rates are available for football matches then what's the problem? You were saying in an earlier comment that OAPs are adults also and the inference was you should all be in the same boat, Chadded also pointed out that many OAPs are on reduced incomes. I know students are too, but that's because you aren't working through choice, i.e. continuing education. I can assure you most OAPs don't choose to have a reduced income, it's a natural state of affairs and a tradition to respect the elderly isn't it, so therefore I really don't see why you needed to make that comment - but after yesterday I suppose I'm fair game.

 

[Einstein]

I know students are too, but that's because you aren't working through choice, i.e. continuing education.

As much as I hate defending students..... generally they will earn higher incomes in their lifetime, therefore paying more tax, therefore contributing more to the state (which includes the elderly's state pensions), and the bottom line is they will contribute more than the average 16 year going off to work on a building site....

 

[OldBlueLady]

As much as I hate defending students..... generally they will earn higher incomes in their lifetime, therefore paying more tax, therefore contributing more to the state (which includes the elderly's state pensions), and the bottom line is they will contribute more than the average 16 year going off to work on a building site....

I accept that, but I just think it's wrong to expect the same concessionary rates as an OAP. FWIW I completely resent having to pay for a full price seat if I want to take my kids to see a show in the West End, but it's your choice to make - if you want to go then you pay the price, if you don't then you stay at home. Likewise, I object to paying full fare on public transport or air travel for my kids when they are still both in school. Things aren't fair and we just have to live with it.

 

[Thurrock_Blue]

Erm...from the guy who wanted to go in as a child at Swindon!!!!!!!!

Nicely put there sir!

 

[haveaguiness]

I accept that, but I just think it's wrong to expect the same concessionary rates as an OAP. FWIW I completely resent having to pay for a full price seat if I want to take my kids to see a show in the West End, but it's your choice to make - if you want to go then you pay the price, if you don't then you stay at home. Likewise, I object to paying full fare on public transport or air travel for my kids when they are still both in school. Things aren't fair and we just have to live with it.

to be fair mate i bet we wouldnt hear you complaining about students if you ever had to go to the hospital for surgery or go and see the doctor... the government make it hard enough for kids wanting to go university the least clubs can do is drop ticket prices and that is at every ground every game, why should it be pick and choose

 

[Shrimper2thecore]

OldBlueLady I think (as other have pointed out to an extent), that your views on students are very limited and naive. It would appear you are of the bad view that all students are only students to avoid joining the working population yet. I am not denying that there are those with that in mind, however as you said with OAP, words such as "usually" and "most" etc. The same can be said for students, in that most want to go to university to further their future, to help and improve society as we know it. Obvious vital jobs required to attend Uni (that you would miss) doctors, vets etc.

The majority of those who are students now are giving themselves the opportunity to earn more in their lifetime, so that we will pay more in taxes, so that the OAP's can have their pensions, and have the best retirement possible, having worked hard (most of the time) for the rest of their lives.

I agree that OAP's deserve their reduced rates, but ultimately they are given reduced wages so they can have more money to attend more matches, and so increase attendences for the club, well they same can be said for students.

You said if students dont want to pay full prices then stay at home, I think this is a silly comment to be honest. If I could I would attend every single match while I am at Uni, like I did before going to Uni, but its not financially viable. Not only is there the cost of the match ticket, there is the travelling home too. I appreciate that not all adults live withing walking distance of the Hall, but with all considered I think it makes sense that students benefit from concession prices too.

As I have said numerous times now, my problem was not that OAP's got cheaper prices, or even that students did not on tuesday, it wsa to see if anybody knew why sometimes student ARE classed as concessions, and sometimes ARE NOT classed as concession, but that appears to have gone straight over everyone except WestRoadShrimper's head, so well done to you Sir!!

 

[sufcintheprem]

Maybe, if you reduce student ticket prices, they will attend more games and become more loyal to the club. Then maybe when you make a share issue to raise funds for the club, they will be first in line to invest serious amounts of money. Money talks in modern football.

I think the issue of people deserving more to get reduced prices is one best not opened, too!

 

[weststander]

As I have said numerous times now, my problem was not that OAP's got cheaper prices, or even that students did not on tuesday, it wsa to see if anybody knew why sometimes student ARE classed as concessions, and sometimes ARE NOT classed as concession, but that appears to have gone straight over everyone except WestRoadShrimper's head, so well done to you Sir!!

Perhaps thats a question you should put to the Essex FA who set the prices for the game.
We are lucky at Roots Hall that the club reduces prices for students to see matches, and as old blue lady stated they dont do student prices for London shows do they ? Having a quick look around Twickenham dont do student prices for the EDF Cup Final, England V Barbarians and the Guinness Premiership final. There are no student tickets for the Super League grand final. Lords dont do students for test matches and Middlesex dont do them for the 20/20 matches. Wet Spam dont do students (they do young adults though) Arena Essex and Wigan Warriors do student concessions.

As far as i can see there are as many that do student concessions that dont and i suppose its up to each individual organisation to decide if student discount will be beneficial to them.

 

[Irate Ian]

OAP's are also adults. My problem/question, was not that students were charged adult prices, it was to find out if anyone knows why the majority of the time students are classed as concessions, and these bizarre odd occasions, they are classed as adult prices, yet OAP's stay as concessions.

Try reading the actually point next time :finger:

Students can abuse themselves !!!

I know a certain person who was in his mid twenties studying at higher level whilst in full time work in a good position in the city, yet had a student card and got in through the back door at discount. Will not name and shame.

Bit like tax avoidance or evasion. One is lawful and permitted, the other not
where there is a loophole it will be found.

Think students under 21 only should be provided concessions and agree your thread in the main.

Part time work can be multi beneficial; financially,escape from the rigours of study, meeting others, discipline in advance of full time work, earning beer & football tokens, less reliance on loans or family etc.

 

[SARF]

Why should students get a better deal.. they are off studying to better themselves and that involves sacrifice.. No flash motor, no expensive hols abroad and no footy.. life is tough sometimes.. Why should any other fans subsidise their quest for a better life.. Spare me the doctor bit, next you will be saying the ones training to be vets are worried about my cat.
OAP's, after a life time of work and paying tax deserve a few breaks (sure a few skivers get in but there you go).. Students have plenty of time to get extra paying work if they want to see the footy... Maybe people whose working hours prevent them getting to games should get the freemans students are getting at the moment

 

[sufcintheprem]

Why should students get a better deal.. they are off studying to better themselves and that involves sacrifice.. No flash motor, no expensive hols abroad and no footy.. life is tough sometimes.. Why should any other fans subsidise their quest for a better life.. Spare me the doctor bit, next you will be saying the ones training to be vets are worried about my cat.
OAP's, after a life time of work and paying tax deserve a few breaks (sure a few skivers get in but there you go).. Students have plenty of time to get extra paying work if they want to see the footy... Maybe people whose working hours prevent them getting to games should get the freemans students are getting at the moment

Only just seen this.

Isn't it missing the point a bit regarding how prices are determined for games? I agree that from a perspective looking at entitlement, a student isn't entitled to receive a discount based on what he or she has done in life so far or based on the circumstances which they find themselves in. An OAP, however, could not offset expenditure against future earnings and has a more philanthropic entitlement to any discounts.

I don't think that this discount would ever be dropped as it would be very bad press for the club and it would alienate longstanding supporters.

However, with regards to student discounts, this is surely a forward thinking measure for the club. Football is almost unique in that once you acquire a regular customer, they and their demand for the club become fiercely devoted. Much like the promotions to encourage people to bring their children, lower prices for students has long term benefits to the club and will help expand the core fanbase.

 

[OldBlueLady]

OldBlueLady I think (as other have pointed out to an extent), that your views on students are very limited and naive. It would appear you are of the bad view that all students are only students to avoid joining the working population yet. I am not denying that there are those with that in mind, however as you said with OAP, words such as "usually" and "most" etc. The same can be said for students, in that most want to go to university to further their future, to help and improve society as we know it. Obvious vital jobs required to attend Uni (that you would miss) doctors, vets etc.

The majority of those who are students now are giving themselves the opportunity to earn more in their lifetime, so that we will pay more in taxes, so that the OAP's can have their pensions, and have the best retirement possible, having worked hard (most of the time) for the rest of their lives.

I agree that OAP's deserve their reduced rates, but ultimately they are given reduced wages so they can have more money to attend more matches, and so increase attendences for the club, well they same can be said for students.

You said if students dont want to pay full prices then stay at home, I think this is a silly comment to be honest. If I could I would attend every single match while I am at Uni, like I did before going to Uni, but its not financially viable. Not only is there the cost of the match ticket, there is the travelling home too. I appreciate that not all adults live withing walking distance of the Hall, but with all considered I think it makes sense that students benefit from concession prices too.

As I have said numerous times now, my problem was not that OAP's got cheaper prices, or even that students did not on tuesday, it wsa to see if anybody knew why sometimes student ARE classed as concessions, and sometimes ARE NOT classed as concession, but that appears to have gone straight over everyone except WestRoadShrimper's head, so well done to you Sir!!

As this comment is addressed to me I reserve the right to respond here rather than in a pm.

I do not have a naive view on students - indeed I was one myself once, though admittedly not through uni. I used to take full advantage of student rate tickets at the Palace Theatre - but that's what I'm saying, I picked and I chose. If there was a student rate available then I took it, if there wasn't I usually didn't go. You do what you can within your means - and that applies to everyone, not just students. It's not a God given right to have a discount just because you're studying. FWIW I agree with Irate Ian's comment about the availability of student discounts up to age 21, what I completely disagree with is the abuse of the system by numerous mature "professional" students.

I'm glad you do accept that OAPs are entitled to their concessionary rates, I obviously misinterpreted your orignal inference. For your information though, my dad (aged 70) has to have a full price adult season ticket to use the family enclosure with myself and my son, so no discount there.