Dougie, What are you doing?

[canveyshrimper]

I'm not picking on just one player though... The title of this thread is Dougie, if you read my report on the game last night in the other thread, you'll see that it isn't just Freedman I thought was poor last night. I stood up for Francis against others in a seperate thread as well, but that's irrelevant to the subject of this thread.

A forward of Freedman's nature, and at this time in his career, is not to chase after the ball but to recieve it to feet and use his intelligence to probe holes in the opposition defence, while getting in the positions he knows he can find. Last night, it was all too easy for the Southampton line to push forward, and their defensive midfielder to simply marshall him to the sidelines and rob him of possession.

As for the Jaidi incident, to me it looked like he lost his footing in the pitch.

Which is largely a problem of how we play, as Freedman has to chase the ball rather than receive and let the ball do the work.

What happened with Jaidi was Freedman was just behind him look for the ball, and nudge him, Jaidi ended up on his arse and then to his chagrin we got the free kick. Jaidi was quite rightly bemused by the whole thing.

 

[EastStandBlue]

Which is largely a problem of how we play, as Freedman has to chase the ball rather than receive and let the ball do the work.

If our initial "Plan A" style of play doesn't suit Freedman, then he probably shouldn't be starting...

 

[canveyshrimper]

If our initial "Plan A" style of play doesn't suit Freedman, then he probably shouldn't be starting...

Or he can be subbed as he was last night.

 

[EastStandBlue]

Or he can be subbed as he was last night.

Then, wouldn't that essentially be 60 minutes wasted? I know O'Donovan's not the brightest park in the box and Laurent's actually decided he's a Winger after all, but it's not the greatest management to play a style of football that alienates what could be our most creative and experienced player on the pitch.

We could've played one of our other centre forwards, but they're all out on loan.

 

[GBJ]

I don't necessarily think last night's conditions were the best for him though

Hahaha, come on Kay, he's a pro footballer isn't he? It ain't tennis lol

 

[GBJ]

Well, I beg to differ but there were also many who did not notice anything like Dougie being ineffective against Southampton - and as I'm sure I've said somewhere, his role doesn't seem to be as a goal scorer any more. He's there for the tactical nonce - and on that score he did ok, though as Ayrshire says, the conditions took their toll on him. He played the full 90 against Stockport last week, but conditions were very different.

bloody nonces lol

 

[A Century United]

Sorry mate, but Freedman was awful last night... Got the ball, got tackled, moaned at someone else. That's all he accomplished last night.

Well, I'll let you value his opinion from last night, but personally, I'll side with the majority of people who were at the game who thought Freedman was decidedly poor and completely inaffective against a well marshalled Southampton outfit.

In all fairness, I'd rather you wouldn't patronise me with that.

:D :D :D

So it's OK for you to patronise Dougie, and then patronise me with your nicely italicised post, but you take deep offence when you think I am patronising you? You have every right to your strong opinions, others have every right to disagree and say so.

 

[EastStandBlue]

Well, I beg to differ but there were also many who did not notice anything like Dougie being ineffective against Southampton - and as I'm sure I've said somewhere, his role doesn't seem to be as a goal scorer any more. He's there for the tactical nouce

Oh the irony.

best to correct me when you can spell tactical nous.

:D :D :D

So it's OK for you to patronise Dougie, and then patronise me with your nicely italicised post, but you take deep offence when you think I am patronising you? You have every right to your strong opinions, others have every right to disagree and say so.

Wasn't aware I was patronising Dougie... More critcising him for what I considered to be a poor display, he's a professional, criticism comes with the territory. And you were preaching Crown's opinion as if it were proven fact and pointing that out with my ever so nicely italicised post...

 

[GBJ]

I didn't go yesterday, so cannot comment on that performance. However i can say that on his performances last season and this, he isn't all that.

Just listen to some of the arguements defending him..

He's there to win free kicks? wtf? lol. **** me he's a striker isn't he? Surely he's paid to score goals? Or am i missing the point of a striker?

 

[GBJ]

:D :D :D

So it's OK for you to patronise Dougie,

Ahhh, poor dougie

 

[blue shrimp]

David Crown is not going to slate current players and considering Freedman played at a higher level Crowny would be most unwise to pass judgement on deadly Dougie,IMO Dougie does not warrant a starting place whatsoever.

 

[A Century United]

David Crown is not going to slate current players and considering Freedman played at a higher level Crowny would be most unwise to pass judgement on deadly Dougie,IMO Dougie does not warrant a starting place whatsoever.

He didn't "not slate him" - he pointed out that Dougie was being quietly effective in creating chances and bringing others into play. The suggestion that Crown wouldn't (or even, bizzarely, isn't qualified to) criticise Freedman is palpable nonsense.

We had exactly this sort of reaction to Goater from many, who right up to the end of the season wouldn't/couldn't see what he was bringing to the team. Tilly has more ability and understanding than this entire board put together, and if he continues to play Freedman then I suggest he is seeing enough from him to warrant his place.

 

[GBJ]

Tilly has more ability and understanding than this entire board put together, and if he continues to play Freedman then I suggest he is seeing enough from him to warrant his place.

In that case why did Tilly try and bomb him out on loan?

 

[GBJ]

The suggestion that Crown wouldn't (or even, bizzarely, isn't qualified to) criticise Freedman is palpable nonsense.

.

Why's that then?

 

[A Century United]

Why's that then?

1. If you listen to Crown, he doesn't hesitate to criticise any of the players.

2. If he isn't qualified to criticise after the career he has had, then none of us on this forum can possibly be qualified to criticise, and we might as well shut shrimperzone down.

 

[blue shrimp]

1. If you listen to Crown, he doesn't hesitate to criticise any of the players.

2. If he isn't qualified to criticise after the career he has had, then none of us on this forum can possibly be qualified to criticise, and we might as well shut shrimperzone down.

Crown watches the action for free,We shell out decent money and have every right to become any players critic as long as its not abusive,Crown never played top flight football and IMO was/is being diplomatic regarding Dougie.

 

[EastStandBlue]

We had exactly this sort of reaction to Goater from many, who right up to the end of the season wouldn't/couldn't see what he was bringing to the team. Tilly has more ability and understanding than this entire board put together, and if he continues to play Freedman then I suggest he is seeing enough from him to warrant his place.

I'd suggest Goater was different. I had a lot of time for Goater and couldn't understand the stick he was recieving. I saw little on here, but on the stands there were plenty of shouts for him to be subbed. Fact of the matter was the Goater was the perfect foil for Eastwood... He was strong, good in the air and intelligent in picking out Eastwood's runs from deep. His legs had gone, as Dougie's have, but used his intelligence and strength to hold the ball up and lay it off to either of our wingers or Eastwood to do the hard work. I don't think it a coincidence that, in that season, a great deal of goals came from the likes of Guttridge and Gower... even Mitchell Cole pitched in with a few.

I'm not doubting Freedman's quality, I just don't think he compliments Barnard or the system we play that well... Not as much as a Big, strong targetman would who could bare the brunt of a defenders onslaught before slotting in Barnard to finish. That showed last night for me...

 

[GBJ]

ACU, might aswell shut it down? Being a bit dramatic now aren't we.

And in any case, just because the guy's played as a pro, doesn't mean to say his opinions are better than those who haven't played pro.

And i feel that your opinion depends on how you look at the situation. DC, yourself and a few others might be happy to see Freedman dropping off, winning free kicks, etc etc, but as i striker, i expect him be in the box scoring goals.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Oh the irony.

best to correct me when you can spell tactical nous.

Ok, so I admit I didn't check - it's not a word I use, however, I would expect "ineffective" to be spelt correctly by anyone in a profession involving the use of the written word.

And I don't see why you're getting so out of your pram about being accused of being patronising - the majority of your posts in response to me are incredibly patronising.

You have your opinion about Freedman, others of us have ours. Accept it, move on.

 

[Swiss Tony]

I didn't go yesterday, so cannot comment on that performance. However i can say that on his performances last season and this, he isn't all that.

Just listen to some of the arguements defending him..

He's there to win free kicks? wtf? lol. **** me he's a striker isn't he? Surely he's paid to score goals? Or am i missing the point of a striker?

Well said graysie,i did'nt go so i can't comment,others please take note.